11-22-2011, 08:41 PM
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Newt Gingrich - (un)patriot act
On the patriot act:
The former House speaker called the law “a key part” of efforts to fight terrorism and said he “would look at strengthening it." Gingrich said, “National security, the government should have many more tools to save our lives. ---------------- So Newt not only fully supports the unpatriot act, but thinks it should be *expanded* and the government should have *many many more tools* to protect us. He just outed himself. That guy would be one scary SOB to have in the WH IMO. http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-...d=election2012
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11-22-2011, 08:54 PM
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Ron Paul 2012...
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11-22-2011, 09:05 PM
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Well, Newt just lost my vote with that one. That was easy....I'm liking this vetting process....Ron Paul 2012 all the way....
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11-22-2011, 09:56 PM
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The Patriot Act is a very dangerous tool used by the Feds to seemingly do whatever they wish - without approval by judicial oversight. With its name and introduction it sounds like the right thing to support until one reads all of the fine print.
Even we bikeriders are affected by parts of the Patriot Act - since we are "subversive" by having private meetings, a structure, a united purpose and wearing common insignia such as the "colors" worn by the clubbers. As far as we are concerned it is insidious as can be applied to any group that falls within certain definitions. I know the Patriot Act was recently extended, but it must go as soon as it can. It is as Un-American as it gets and I do not understand why Newt states that he supports it unless he is trolling for votes. Very few Americans know what all is contained within the Patriot Act and wrongly presume that it is meant solely for the defeat of al Quaida, et al. Best Regards, Robert Forbus |
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11-22-2011, 10:10 PM
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Too bad about Newt. Later, bud. Watch your campaign evaporate. The bottom line, guys, is that no one can win the Repub nomination without us.
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11-22-2011, 10:12 PM
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What no one seems to call them on is how often the "Patriot Act" has been used for non-terrorist investigations. All an agency has to do is send a "national security interest" subpoena and they get any information they want from whomever they want about anyone they want.
It has been used in almost every type of federal investigation allowable, and completely circumvents the 4th Amendment.
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11-22-2011, 10:23 PM
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Were any of the others asked about the unpatriotic act besides Newt? If so what was THEIR responses?
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11-22-2011, 10:39 PM
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What was the context?
Always context. Do tell.
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11-22-2011, 10:40 PM
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As much as we may agree with what Ron Paul says, he will not beat Obama.
The young people and the blacks see him as the same "Old White Guy" type they have been against for a while. Just like last election they will turn out in droves to keep the Old white guy from getting elected and taking their welfare checks. Just like last election most of the middle class will sit on their ass and not vote at all. I think a better and more charismatic choice would have been his son Rand Paul. I believe he could give Obama a run for his money. He has the same amount if not more experience than Obama had when he first ran and I think he would appeal more the the younger white people.
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11-22-2011, 10:48 PM
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Every puppet on the damn stage (with the exception of Paul) is pro Patriot Act. I think I've been calling this spade a spade for awhile now.
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11-22-2011, 10:53 PM
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Whats Bachman's, Cain's, and Huntman's stand on it? Got anything in print or on camera? The unpatriotic act should be the litmus test for our canidates, if they're for it then they're out of the race as far as I'm concerned...
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11-22-2011, 10:54 PM
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What a shocker,
Shite Gingrich, warlord lobbyist of Freddie MAC and fannie may, is an ass clown politician, still..... I can't believe it... I thought he had changed since he was an elected criminal.... Guess I was wrong... Prick.... Rot in hell you lying pce of crap..... Will Cain redeem himself? Hope so... Hope is all we have now..... panzertruppe |
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11-22-2011, 10:57 PM
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Weaselie eyed little bastard.....
I REALLY dislike this dickhead..... panzertruppe |
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11-22-2011, 10:59 PM
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At this point I'm almost hoping that Donald Trump gets back in the race...
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11-22-2011, 11:10 PM
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According to the article, he also came out in favor of amnesty for illegals.
Well Newt, that will put the final kabosh on your ass for sure. Sounds like Newt lost big to me.
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11-22-2011, 11:20 PM
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Amnesty too??
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11-22-2011, 11:21 PM
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It's all Googleable (?). They have all gone on record talking about how vital it is to our "security" interests. @ The poster who said RP isn't popular with young people... that isn't true at all. Pauls popularity is primarily from the under 40 crowd. Doc and I have jabbed about this before, there is a really big divide between conservatives on what that word actually means. The old guard Reagan Republicans would hardly consider me a conservative. On the other hand my political stance (I hate using that term) is very much right in step with Ron Paul and Barry Goldwater. Go to a Paul campaign gathering if you get the chance, you'd be shocked how many people (of all races) are there that are in their 20s and 30s.
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11-22-2011, 11:41 PM
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Gingrich is just another neocon who tows the globalist line..... I don't like ANY of the candidates, especially romney.He is just another, slick, liberal, anti-gun rino.
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11-22-2011, 11:48 PM
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Politicians RELLLLLLLY SUCK,
Except maybe Ron Paul... I still like him.... Great platform even if I disagree with some of it.... panzertruppe |
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11-22-2011, 11:51 PM
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I just heard tonight's sound bite of RP on Pakistan...........RP is as much a fucking idiot.
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11-23-2011, 12:52 AM
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Yeah I watched the whole debate. Gingrich ended his presidential bid after tonight's performance. He is CLEARLY for the unpatriotic act and a fervent supporter amnesty for illegals. Most of the dumbasses in this country don't realize his signature was on the 80's amnesty bill. IMO, RP is the only choice we have out of that group. Four more yrs of a Wookie as our first lady.
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11-23-2011, 02:02 PM
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Thought all the child molesters were gone...
this fat booger eating corrupt slob, has a chance in hell...i'd sooner vote for ozero or the hillygoat beast,....this guys a clown, wonder why he was never caught doing a'la Sen Craig....he locked the door in the mens room.
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11-23-2011, 03:28 PM
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So going by his own comments, Newt wants to expand HLS, TSA and the unpatriotic act and add more "tools" for the government to spy and track you. Of course its for your own "protection" (as always).
If that's not bad enough he is calling for total amnesty for illegal aliens. Luckily for us he outed himself. I always figured he was a POS, but at least I got to hear it straight from the horses ass. IMO the only true conservative that was on that stage was RP. But, he cannot and will not get the nomination though due to a controlled media and powerful foreign (and domestic) special interest group that our entire foreign policy is wrapped around. Sadly, Paul's Constitutionalism and "America first" stance is his undoing. Hell, Thomas Jefferson or even Washington could not get "elected" now because of this corruption of our system. That said, you will ultimately have to "choose" between zero and Romney as was planned. Keep voting...lol.
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11-23-2011, 05:30 PM
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When I look deeply into Romney's facial expressions he looks like a born to be loser of the GOP just like McCain was. In most U.S. elections I've seen you always see one fall guy running for Prez.(Mondale,Dukakis,Kerry,etc) that you just know is going to lose no matter what.
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11-23-2011, 07:02 PM
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Paul is the only option but I still think they aren't going to run him, even if 100% of the country voted for him in the primaries. Those who vote decide nothing while those who count the votes decide everything.
It's going to be a civil war when people finally figure this out and the establishment destroying Ron Paul's real position is going to catalyze it. If you don't rebel against tyranny then you all deserve everything you got coming to you, and after this next elecetion it's going to come fast. Just be ready. |
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11-23-2011, 08:27 PM
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The "Old White Guy" could collect the conservative base, the Obama haters, the anti-war crowd, people concerned about the debt and the economy, and the libertarians and potentially defeat Obama. Obama won partially due to the "hopers" and the "white guilters" making "history", and some of his base and some of his swing voter support is disgusted by him this time around. Any of the other GOP hopefuls wouldn't offer any real challenge, or in case of a win, any real difference.
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11-23-2011, 08:50 PM
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11-23-2011, 10:11 PM
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To true. TBH I would vote RP if he was a green Martian homosexual who ate raw goldfish 5x a day and listened to the ABBA radio network. His age and his race are entirely irrelevant. The MESSAGE is what's important. I have been praising his efforts for about 5 years now and have met A LOT of Paul supporters who have known about him longer and much shorter than I have. From these various individuals and the myriad walks of life they lead they all had one thing in common. They all knew best how to lead their own lives. Their politics may have been diametrically opposed but they understood this as I think we all do. What's best for me is what's best for me. What's best for you is for you. There is no "them, they, or us". An Us is a crowd which is a flock which is cattle, like sheep. Pauls main message behind any and all of his arguments is for the individual. While he talks about the benefits of individuality and freedom he condemns collectivism and subjugation with the very same words. I like his argument that there is no such thing as a forest, just trees that happen to grow within a close proximity of each other. That way of thinking nowdays is almost philosophically beautiful. I will always support RPs message because The Revolution isn't about force of arms, it is a Revolution of the mind and our perception of ourselves and others. Just imo.
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11-24-2011, 01:06 AM
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The only thing that worries me about Ron Paul is does he have the balls to stand up to our enemies? What if China decides that it wants to take Taiwan by force or if Pakistan decides to give other terrorists besides themselves nukes or if North Korea decides to take South Korea with help from china? Whats his plans for "Arab winter" when the muslim brotherhood takes the whole arab region over and makes it sharia law and cuts off our oil? Its gonna take years for our own oil production capabilities to be able to be increased enough to not need imported oil (thankfully we get a lot of oil from canada, they could probably take up the slack if the arabs cut us off), so until that day comes we have to keep the arab region in submission until then and I'm not 100% sure yet that Ron Paul has the fortitude to do it. Speaking of oil, whats his plans on that, does he want to open up our oil fields for drilling and build more refineries or is he a greenie that doesnt understand how important oil is to the economy?
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11-24-2011, 01:21 AM
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http://www.issues2000.org/tx/Ron_Paul.htm
That link is hardly complete but you get the general idea. Paul is a non interventionist, meaning we don't get involved no matter what happens outside our borders.
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11-24-2011, 01:30 AM
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Greek, Clinton had the balls to bomb an asprin factory.
Reagan had the balls to watch a wall fall down. Bush1 had the balls to taunt his enemy from the gates to his city. Bush2 had the balls to bankrupt america, and lose two wars to boot. where exactly are you hoping "balls" are gonna get ya? and further, RON PAUL is a texan. so any point here about Dr. Paul is kinda slipping away in the haze. This world is not a comic strip, of good guys and indians. Those noted elected personalities above ... may very well be the greatest enemies America ever was cursed with. And it will continue ...
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But as far as defending the USA from attack? I would feel FAR safer with Ron Paul's finger on the button than with Barry "standing with the muslims" Obama, OR any of the RINO Progressives and their friends in the UN...
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11-24-2011, 01:46 AM
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Dont get me wrong guys, I've been saying from day one ever since I joined the forum that I fully intend to vote for Ron Paul in the primaries and I havent changed that stance, but I never hear much about his views on oil or defense and those two issues (in that order) are very important....
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11-24-2011, 02:10 AM
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I wanna add a side point regarding the "global cop" thing, and it has nothing to do with Ron Paul...
I'm all for getting us out of everywhere and bringing the troops home but ONLY if they are DECOMISSIONED and returned to civilian life IMMEDIATELY when they get back. I do NOT want them to be re-stationed to bases here in America... The LAST thing I want is to have all of them soldiers sitting at bases on U.S. soil waiting to gun us down like dogs when TSHTF. I want them OUT of the military and back in civie life BEFORE that time comes.... |
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11-24-2011, 05:39 AM
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Ron paul 2012
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