08-15-2011, 11:40 AM
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Carjacking in Detroit ends with death of suspect by owner with CCW
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08-15-2011, 12:03 PM
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Good for him, one less peice of trash to worry about.
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08-15-2011, 12:04 PM
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Hallelujah!!! A BLACK man with a CCW shots a young BLACK car thief... aka N...a! ( and guess what the n...a had a gun on him...well well!) s... |
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08-15-2011, 12:09 PM
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The guy with the CCW is ok in my book. I'd have a beer with him.
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08-15-2011, 12:31 PM
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And yet the police state is still gonna send the case to the district attorney to see if charges can be pressed against the guy that shot the carjacker...And the police wonder why we hate them.
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08-15-2011, 12:52 PM
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Michigan has implemented the castle doctrine. He will probably not hear anything about it.
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08-15-2011, 01:02 PM
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He had an empty holster. Give the man his gun back! He is now defenseless until cleared? BS, who knows how long that will take.
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08-15-2011, 01:04 PM
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Good righteous shoot, that citizen deserves a commendation. One less maggot in the world!
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08-15-2011, 01:24 PM
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08-15-2011, 01:33 PM
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i agree he did what he had to do. But was he outside of the car and shot into the car? They might make a big deal out of it if thats the case. Saying he could have let him flee. But I would have done the same thing.
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08-15-2011, 01:49 PM
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Shooting someone can be a very hard thing to overcome even if you are completely legally justified in doing so. It just isn't as simple as Hollywood makes it in the movies. I'd bet he will be reliving that situation in his mind, questioning his own actions and dealing with survivor guilt for a long time. But I am very glad he got to go home to his family. Clint Eastwood's line from Unforgiven says it all: "It's a helluva thing killin' a man, you take away all he is, and all he's ever gonna be!"
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08-15-2011, 01:59 PM
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RESUMPTION REGARDING SELF-DEFENSE (EXCERPT) Act 311 of 2006 780.951 Individual using deadly force or force other than deadly force; presumption; definitions. Sec. 1. (1) Except as provided in subsection (2), it is a rebuttable presumption in a civil or criminal case that an individual who uses deadly force or force other than deadly force under section 2 of the self-defense act has an honest and reasonable belief that imminent death of, sexual assault of, or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another individual will occur if both of the following apply: (a) The individual against whom deadly force or force other than deadly force is used is in the process of breaking and entering a dwelling or business premises or committing home invasion or has broken and entered a dwelling or business premises or committed home invasion and is still present in the dwelling or business premises, or is unlawfully attempting to remove another individual from a dwelling, business premises, or occupied vehicle against his or her will.
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08-15-2011, 02:13 PM
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There's only one side of the story now. A bit odd he got out and left the key in it. The police likely did take the gun for ballistics testing. He might have to use his backup while he waits for its return. Around here people lock the doors while they're pumping gas.
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08-15-2011, 02:59 PM
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08-15-2011, 03:45 PM
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As far as being prosecuted, only time will tell. But, in cases like this, 20/20 hindsight can't be used in order to determine justification for the use of deadly force. If his story pans out, I think this guy will be alright. |
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08-15-2011, 04:38 PM
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For somebody street wise enough to get the draw on somebody reaching for a gun, you'd think he'd be wise enough to remove the key.
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08-15-2011, 04:45 PM
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Read 'Black Man with a Gun' by my Pastor Kenn Blanchard.
Lotsa decent Black folks are on our side.
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08-15-2011, 05:13 PM
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Well. I must admit. that is very impressive. Here's the short Youtube video; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDDjSsYhad0 |
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08-15-2011, 05:18 PM
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Personally, I think he did the right thing, but I don't live in Michigan.
The FACT the the dead carjacker DID have a gun on him will be a big FACT in his favor. But I bet the DA takes him to court just so he can find out why the the gun owner made the decision in the first place to defend his property instead of just letting him steal the car and then calling 911. JM2CW I've put it on my "to be watched later" list. |
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08-15-2011, 05:24 PM
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You have the right to confront someone trying to steal your car, without having the assumption that the guy has a weapon, or is going to pull a gun. The vehicle owner only shot after the carjacker made a threatening gesture toward the owner. Last edited by Maglan; 08-15-2011 at 05:33 PM. |
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08-15-2011, 05:49 PM
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Can't fault the guy for hopping out to pump gas. Generally you wouldn't expect a shithead to jump in and steal your car while you're puttin' some fuel it it.
He shoulda finished the sonuvabitch off right on the spot. Give 'im the whole clip. Hell, he'd still have his ride if the bastid hadn't bled to death in it and then wrecked it. More shitheads need to be recycled that way. |
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08-15-2011, 05:51 PM
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Actually that is the way it should be handled. They send it to the DA and he decides, it is not the police's call to make. Michigan's caste doctrine should caver him pretty well anyway. http://www.ammoland.com/2009/08/03/m...e-law-and-you/ "....(a) The individual against whom deadly force or force other than deadly force is used is in the process of breaking and entering a dwelling or business premises or committing home invasion or has broken and entered a dwelling or business premises or committed home invasion and is still present in the dwelling or business premises, or is unlawfully attempting to remove another individual from a dwelling, business premises, or occupied vehicle against his or her will....."
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08-15-2011, 06:40 PM
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If I want to leave my car unlocked to gas up, so what. You get in my car, you get in my castle; sorry, it's the law. You pull a gun, or attempt it, you are puttng me in fear of my life and you will have to take what I give.
I will not feel bad about not locking my car to gas up. I'm right there, in plain sight...gassing up my car. If you hop in, you know the rules....you take your life into your own hands. Don't blame me if I don't like what you do. Time to start fighting back!!! Chalk one up for the common law abiding man...
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08-15-2011, 07:12 PM
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Just for the record it is a Concealed Pistol License.Carrying Concealed Weapon is what the dead guy was doing
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08-15-2011, 10:02 PM
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I wonder if he'll ever get his pistol back?
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08-16-2011, 06:05 AM
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Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6
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08-16-2011, 06:40 AM
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08-16-2011, 10:19 AM
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It's just good that the perp is no longer contributing to global warming....
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08-16-2011, 02:28 PM
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+1 hes a victim not a subject! we used to call cops public servents |
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08-16-2011, 05:31 PM
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faulting the man for not removing the keys is absoult trash, and im suprised to hear somone say that around hear. Im a firm believer of keeping my doors unlocked an my glock fully loaded.
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