Your opinion How long do we have? before American Economic implosion?

[77patriots]

YOUR OPINIONS WANTED!

Q: How long do we have before Our Dollar and Economy implodes from the FED and FED govt corruption?

WHEN is it going to happen how much time do we have? ( your opinions, and why).


The dow tanked 266 + points today FYI........
We spend 40. cents on every dollar we collect...
70+ % our our economy is based on $$CONSUMPTION$$$$$

[smc81c]

i was saying almost five years ago 5-10 years. im thinking we will see it within the next two to three if not sooner...........

[drjarhead]

2017 +/- 3 years

[mr1usnr]

i found this interesting. Peter Schiff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYmyN...e_gdata_player

also if you guys have time what this video, yes I know Mike Maloney sells gold and silver. I bought his book and it is more of a history our economy than how to buy gold or silver. His web site has a lot of good info to.

http://goldsilver.com/video/why-gold...ney-tells-all/

[cerebral aSSassin]

hopefully not until i can scrounge all the ammo i can.

but i agree with doc,

the way things are going, it seems about right to assume a "few" years.

[TheGreek!]

My guess is about 2-3 years TOPS if the banks downgrade us and raise the interest rates on the national debt by more than 1/2 a percent....Which I think they will do before october of this year, after that the collapse clock starts ticking if it hasnt already started anyway because of this piss poor "deal' they made on the budget. I wouldnt be surprised if it happens as soon as the end of next year, especially if the devilcrats win the election and keep the senate and presidency....Cant forget europe either, if spain and portugal and a few others go it wont matter, europe will collapse and take us, japan, and china with it and then comes WW3...

[drjarhead]

Originally Posted by Chainbreaker

It's either October Surprise, or the October Surprise could trigger it. It's out of our hands to some degree, a European fail or oil fail could precede our own downfall....but we could have this current type of slow decline like we see right now for a decade as they rob Peter to pay Paul and sell us down the road farther and farther.
But...for all I know some Iranian Jihadis will blow a nuke thru Yankee Stadium any sunny day after Tuesday next. Who knows how time plays out?
Being in a critical economic position is bad, but the same critical position with zero safety net is untenable and unsurvivable, except thru sheer luck of circumstance.

True that is. We have no reserve at this point.
Not much, anyhow.

We are one major screw up from the collapse. If the govt makes some major blunder at this point, it is over.

[javelin]

Originally Posted by drjarhead

2017 +/- 3 years

Lol Doc our opinions have merged. Im just on the minus side of 3 years believing it could be anywhere between 1 1/2 to 3.

[Zaplatus]

I can't even pick a time frame. So many things have already happened in just the past 3 years that I thought would NEVER happen in my lifetime. I can't see it being more than 3 years off. As everyone else has stated a European colapse would for sure move the time frame forward. I also see some of our investors getting pissed off as well. Russia and China issue harsh words about our mishandling of the "world economy". There are so many different ways this could play out. Combination of Economic strain and any other disaster. A huge natural disaster or terrorist strike could certainly make us lose traction and slide.

Economic terms we are on the ground with our neck exposed. Does anyone really believe our enemies do not see this? What if your enemy where in this situtation? I know I would take full advantage. We cannot even agree with eachother.

Divided we fall..You cannot get much more divided than todays political landscape. It's damn near 50/50 and ripe for the picking. While we fight eachother our enemies consipre in dark places whisper of how to divide our country when it all comes apart.

[TheGreek!]

Originally Posted by drjarhead

True that is. We have no reserve at this point.
Not much, anyhow.

We are one major screw up from the collapse. If the govt makes some major blunder at this point, it is over.

IF the government makes a major blunder doc?? Isnt it more like WHEN?

[77patriots]

Its just a short matter of time before the govt ( ala joe Biden and co) change rhetoric into action.....

that the Americans (Tea party) are "terrorists"........... < what a dick! what an arrogant dick, what a King George Tyrant moment!


What would you do ( Focus on) if you had 2-3 years to brace for impact?

[TheGreek!]

Originally Posted by 77patriots

What would you do ( Focus on) if you had 2-3 years to brace for impact?

Ammo, ammo, ammo, after that comes the rest like food that can be stored for long periods without refrigeration and can be eaten without cooking it...

[drjarhead]

Originally Posted by Zaplatus

I can't even pick a time frame. So many things have already happened in just the past 3 years that I thought would NEVER happen in my lifetime. I can't see it being more than 3 years off. As everyone else has stated a European colapse would for sure move the time frame forward. I also see some of our investors getting pissed off as well. Russia and China issue harsh words about our mishandling of the "world economy". There are so many different ways this could play out. Combination of Economic strain and any other disaster. A huge natural disaster or terrorist strike could certainly make us lose traction and slide.

Economic terms we are on the ground with our neck exposed. Does anyone really believe our enemies do not see this? What if your enemy where in this situtation? I know I would take full advantage. We cannot even agree with eachother.

Divided we fall..You cannot get much more divided than todays political landscape. It's damn near 50/50 and ripe for the picking. While we fight eachother our enemies consipre in dark places whisper of how to divide our country when it all comes apart.

That's a pretty good summary of where we are at.

Fortunately, our enemies are not yet ready to take us on here on the continent. In 10 years? Yeah, maybe.

Better to get it over with and drag them all down with us.
Perhaps that is even the plan. Perhaps.

[javelin]

Originally Posted by 77patriots

Its just a short matter of time before the govt ( ala joe Biden and co) change rhetoric into action.....

that the Americans (Tea party) are "terrorists"........... < what a dick! what an arrogant dick, what a King George Tyrant moment!


What would you do ( Focus on) if you had 2-3 years to brace for impact?

Prep of course in the full geometric sense. IE: physical, mental, ideological... Same old song and dance that most shtf prepers consider. Point is if you have not prepped or have been prepping by now your screwed. It goes beyond yourself and what you have as well to those around you, who your connected with as in neighbors or family and friends. The full spectrum is imperative.

I do not think there is any one area that focus can be placed upon.

[mosinutty]

Yeah, who knows? All it would take now is a catastrophe of some sort to put us over the edge. The weather is all whacked out now, a major hurricane or two and an earthquake in a major metropolitan area, that may do it. And like zaplatus said, a nuke on the west coast would be all she wrote!

[javelin]

Originally Posted by Zaplatus

I can't even pick a time frame. So many things have already happened in just the past 3 years that I thought would NEVER happen in my lifetime. I can't see it being more than 3 years off. As everyone else has stated a European colapse would for sure move the time frame forward. I also see some of our investors getting pissed off as well. Russia and China issue harsh words about our mishandling of the "world economy". There are so many different ways this could play out. Combination of Economic strain and any other disaster. A huge natural disaster or terrorist strike could certainly make us lose traction and slide.

Economic terms we are on the ground with our neck exposed. Does anyone really believe our enemies do not see this? What if your enemy where in this situtation? I know I would take full advantage. We cannot even agree with eachother.

Divided we fall..You cannot get much more divided than todays political landscape. It's damn near 50/50 and ripe for the picking. While we fight eachother our enemies consipre in dark places whisper of how to divide our country when it all comes apart.

Time frames are finicky things as a single decision can alter the course. I agree with your assessment of the Euro collapse as being a likely source but there are two others to consider as being in the "most likely" category. A run on the bank that shuts us down or States imploding due to debt. We have a "Greek" scenario built in as our states cannot print money either thus bailouts facilitating the GDP to debt ratio and in turn could force a run on the bank. Either way you look at it, its a currency issue or collapse not a "default".

Our enemies do see it....http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...77052R20110801 Need I say more? lol.

As to how our enemies will be involved..... I could write a friggin book on that one. Not pretty any way you look at it. Once vulnerable China goes full blown with attacking our internet and grid, currency realignment with Russia, France and the Mid East and Germany takes the lead pulling what Euro nations they can with them. Just so many things will shift that are already being set up and actually many are in play at this very moment.

Polarization is what your seeing with the political crap out there today. Crazy thing is that its two sets of socialists running the show and people screaming "listen to me!". The people will not be heard as the government has no other options now other than to facilitate the collapse through debt, we are trapped. Polarization will continue and if people think its bad now you have not seen anything yet. There will be more than two factions, conservative vs liberal is the old mode of thinking. A general bracket that is formed now is: extreme left, liberal, conservative, extreme right. There are sub brackets from those and how you define what group fits into those brackets will be determined by what you believe, hence ideology.

The groundwork is laid, to say the least. We are not going to "see a collapse", in truth we are IN COLLAPSE now. Its just not past tense yet.

[TheGreek!]

Another good oil "crisis" WILL do it for sure....Worldwide economic effect, worldwide collapse shortly afterward....More unrest in the middle east WILL trigger the high oil prices and when gas hits 6-7 bucks a gallon its all over everybody....Does anybody here think that we wont have another big oil crisis in the future, especially the NEAR future with the way the middle east is going right now???


The end of the world as we know it just might happen as predicted in 2012 after all, but it wont be from an asteroid or a volcano, no sir.....

[Zaplatus]

Originally Posted by drjarhead

That's a pretty good summary of where we are at.

Fortunately, our enemies are not yet ready to take us on here on the continent. In 10 years? Yeah, maybe.

Better to get it over with and drag them all down with us.
Perhaps that is even the plan. Perhaps.

We may be closer than you think. The lefties are so much like comunists these days that I honestly think they would roll over on their backs, bellies up to thier new masters like a dominated dog. With much ado and peeing on themselves to get the chance to sell you and I out.

Why not attack us on our home soil. We cannot afford to fight back AND as i stated. Sit boy sit... Good dog .

We wage war with a country. Destroy it. We make them bigger, stronger,faster. We have the technology.. Lefties would pass the check to whatever master covers the bills

[Prophet67]

We are there I think...Yeah, I believe we are there. Thus, the "Super Congress" so they may make "swift" decisions regarding the "Citizenry" <-- Read Serf's. They know they've destroyed the Country and are making prep's to deal with the backlash.

As far as the undeniable, "Outward appearance" of collapse...I think DrJ's assessment of 2017 is close but, I think he is being generous by a year or two. Of course, I hope he is right & I am wrong as that gives me more time to prep with regards to long term storage of food, real currency and...other things.

They really fucked us hard this time with this "Super Con-gress" bullshit.

God help us all...we are gonna need it.

[drjarhead]

Originally Posted by Zaplatus

We may be closer than you think. The lefties are so much like comunists these days that I honestly think they would roll over on their backs, bellies up to thier new masters like a dominated dog. With much ado and peeing on themselves to get the chance to sell you and I out.

Why not attack us on our home soil. We cannot afford to fight back AND as i stated. Sit boy sit... Good dog .

We wage war with a country. Destroy it. We make them bigger, stronger,faster. We have the technology.. Lefties would pass the check to whatever master covers the bills

None of them have the navy to really challenge us and get here in large numbers.

Actually, I hope you guys who think it's coming sooner are correct.

It would be better all the way around.

However, they have gotten VERY good at keep this house of cards erect.
On the down side, they have done so good at maintaining the economic status quo that they have left themselves no room to maneuver. That's where we are at now. Virtually any change they make puts the whole card house at risk.

[RG Coburn]

Those people who lived thru the Great Depression remember it wasn't a "wake up one morning" ting,it was a long and slow downward decline. Yeah,1929 stock market plunge...but that in itself didn't cause the whole thing at one time.
We are in the super depression,right now,and we are witnesses to the hat and rabbit tricks they are pulling to attempt to right this situation.And we are seeing the them ingraciating themselves with loads of cash while the rest of the nation suffers.
Frog in the pot,boys. You have to decide for yourselves when you figure its time to jump out.

[Burnout]

I'm guessing about 5 years give or take a few. Now that we have been all but completely de-industrialized we are on an unsustainable course regardless of spending cuts or tax increases.

A military super power has never and will never exist on low paying jobs, as in $7.00 an hour service economy jobs. The numbers just will not ever add up. This is why Brazil does not have aircraft carriers, etc, and why we will not either in the future....get used to the idea.

People can blame a number of other factors and rightly so, but blue collar industry is where our tax base came from, be it to fund the military, schools, build bridges or go to the moon. And anyone who thinks that this nation will continue to be a super power with a high standard of living while most of its taxes gets pulled from $7.00 an hour service jobs is lying, period...it cannot happen. Just like no family can afford a high standard of living (nice home, cars, etc) and work at a drive through. Our nation cannot either.

Couple this with enormous social programs -entitlements that Americans will never give up, add in a huge new voting block in the tens of millions of illegals that are demanding even more handouts from us. Add in more and more government leeches (alphabet agencies) that continue to suck the life blood out of us via more taxes and regulations. Combine with the fact that our dollar is falling like a stone and will lose it's status soon as the world's currency.

It will all fall like a house of cards...it has to.

The border will not be closed as those wanting taxpayer handouts will continue to spill in. The military industrial complex will keep pushing us into more wars to bolster its funding while we keep bleeding our tax base (jobs) to China and Mexico and elsewhere as corporate America demands this.

Completely unsustainable.

We can shuffle the deck chairs all we want politically, doesn't matter who gets in office at this point either...there is no fixing this. That said, we are big enough that its going to take a little while for all to come crashing down. But when it does it will come very fast on it's final stages. People had better prepare.

This too is why the government is reaching for more and more power, like the "Super Congress" for example. They will try in vain to keep a lid on things till the end...they know what's coming.

I'll give it roughly 5 years.

[77patriots]

Originally Posted by RG Coburn

Those people who lived thru the Great Depression remember it wasn't a "wake up one morning" ting,it was a long and slow downward decline. Yeah,1929 stock market plunge...but that in itself didn't cause the whole thing at one time.
We are in the super depression,right now,and we are witnesses to the hat and rabbit tricks they are pulling to attempt to right this situation.And we are seeing the them ingraciating themselves with loads of cash while the rest of the nation suffers.
Frog in the pot,boys. You have to decide for yourselves when you figure its time to jump out.

Food ammo! buy buy buy or suffer suffer suffer!

[Dirt Diver]

They way I see our situation is exactly like the Titanic:

We've seen the iceburg

We've turned the rudder (woken up)

We've hit the iceburg (ship will sink)

We wait

This ship is just too big and there's just to much forward momentum to avoid the inevitable crash. This is an fatal crash in slow motion.

[thirdtxcav]

2-5 years unless radical change happen with the next election.

[Tank1981]

I can't even begin to speculate... Just be prepared as best you can, buy as much supplies as you can. Buy as much ammo as possible. I can remember when I was 19 or so I would cut back on my meals and sometimes not eat to be able to afford a gun I wanted.
Fortunately I make a little more money than that now, but its what people need to do to buy what ammo, medical, food, and any other supplies they will need.
Just can't happen while my brother is overseas..
At would suck.

I hope it happens sooner than later though, I don't want to be old and fighting.

I do look for another 9/11 before election time though to help OSAMA get re elected.

[Dirt Diver]

Originally Posted by Burnout

Couple this with enormous social programs -entitlements that Americans will never give up, add in a huge new voting block in the tens of millions of illegals that are demanding even more handouts from us.

To be honest, I don't view the majority of the entitled class as Americans; it's absolutely oxymoronic to the idea of America. They are opportunist bloodsuckers of the worst kind.

The illegals are just plain invading enemies to be dealt with as such.

[1985 4runner]

I hope to God we can hold on for a few more years.

My sons are three and one. My one year old was born premature & needs two more surgeries before he can even breathe on his own & possibly eat food without a feeding tube.


I'm prepping as hard & as fast as I can for my family. Food, water filter, tools, Guns & ammo and networking with other like minded folks in my network so when the crash comes we can get together.

I work two jobs on average 70-80 hours a week and I'm doing the best I can.

I see what the leeches have done to this once Great Nation daily in my work as a FF/EMT. It disgusts me.

I think by the Gov squeezing all the folks as long as they can, we have a couple or three more years before the straw breaks the camels back.

[drjarhead]

Originally Posted by 1985 4runner

I hope to God we can hold on for a few more years.

My sons are three and one. My one year old was born premature & needs two more surgeries before he can even breathe on his own & possibly eat food without a feeding tube.


I'm prepping as hard & as fast as I can for my family. Food, water filter, tools, Guns & ammo and networking with other like minded folks in my network so when the crash comes we can get together.

I work two jobs on average 70-80 hours a week and I'm doing the best I can.

I see what the leeches have done to this once Great Nation daily in my work as a FF/EMT. It disgusts me.

I think by the Gov squeezing all the folks as long as they can, we have a couple or three more years before the straw breaks the camels back.

My thoughts and prayers are with you, your family and your son.

For your sake, I hope it holds off. I don't know though.
Even if the economic collapse holds off, I am not convinced that there is not going to be a soft war of sorts coming up. Those in power seem too inclined to strip us out of what is left of our freedom.

You already know all of that.
My daughter almost died several times in the first month of her life so I can somewhat imagine what you are going through. My best to all of you.

[shim1313]

so many scenarios could bring us down the major ones are:
Oil hits $5 an gallon or more for more than 6 months the end will be in a year or less

Obongo gets re-elected and the dems keep the senate, within 1 year

our rating gets downgraded by the end of the month I think we have less than a year

last if we face an invasion of Taiwan, S Korea, Iran uses a nuke or Europe goes down. I would say less than a year

[TheGreek!]

Originally Posted by shim1313

so many scenarios could bring us down the major ones are:
Oil hits $5 an gallon or more for more than 6 months the end will be in a year or less

Obongo gets re-elected and the dems keep the senate, within 1 year

our rating gets downgraded by the end of the month I think we have less than a year

last if we face an invasion of Taiwan, S Korea, Iran uses a nuke or Europe goes down. I would say less than a year

Yep, and I see option 1 and option 3 as the ones with the most potential of happening within the next year, especially option 3....A full 40% of the budget goes to pay the interest on the national debt alone and if those interest rates rise even a little because of a downgrade we'll be crushed by the added cost of that interest....

[shim1313]

I think the downgrade is the biggest possibility too. I keep asking my self. Why would they shoot the golden goose, why would they do it. Then I think of the Soros types that brought down the pound and know they don't give a shit because they will find a way to make money on our demise. The sick fucks. The bankers should be the first to taste the revolt.

[lsmurphy]

We are freak'n toast.

[albino]

I've tried to hold out some hope that there was a sliver of a chance that this could be turned around at some point. I think now, that we are officially past that point of no return.

I give it three years.

[lsmurphy]

Originally Posted by albino

I've tried to hold out some hope that there was a sliver of a chance that this could be turned around at some point. I think now, that we are officially past that point of no return.

I give it three years.

Yeah well we were without hope three years ago too.


You must have been a DN supporter?