Russia creates two brigades of Arctic troops

[allesennogwat]

By Thomas Grove | Reuters

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Moscow will create two brigades to protect its valuable Arctic resources in the next world war, Russia's defence minister said on Friday.

Moscow has walked a fine line between cooperation and aggression in the Arctic which the world's top energy producer believes could hold huge reserves of natural gas and oil.

"The General Staff is currently working on plans to create two such units," Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov was quoted as telling media by state-run news agency Itar-Tass.

Declining to go into detail, he added: "The location will be determined, as well as weapons, numbers and infrastructure for the brigades."

Global warming has boosted expectations that the Arctic may provide mining, fishing and shipping prospects for the countries that have claims on the region -- Russia, the United States, Denmark, Greenland, Canada, Norway and China.

Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said on Thursday that Russia would boost its presence in the region to protect its interests.

"As for our own geo-political interests (in the Arctic) are concerned, we shall be protecting them firmly and consistently," Putin told a meeting of his ruling United Russia party on Thursday in the Urals city of Yekaterinburg.

Serdyukov also said that Russia was in a position to start production of its intercontinental Bulava missile following the most recent successful test of the armament this week.

His ministry has said the missile, which the Kremlin wants to make the cornerstone of its nuclear arms programme, will undergo four more tests this year before being introduced into service.

Previous failures -- seven out of 15 tests -- had called into question the viability of the programme.

"The Bulava flew well. And that's good news," Interfax news agency quoted him as saying. "We understand exactly that in this case it is possible to start serial production of the rocket."

Russia is looking to modernise its armaments for the next world war and Putin has promised to spend nearly 20 trillion roubles ($718.4 billion) over the next decade upgrading its armed forces.

One missile can hold six to 10 nuclear warheads, which would deliver an impact of up to 100 times the atomic blast that devastated Hiroshima in 1945.

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/russia-crea...W9ucw--;_ylv=3

[drjarhead]

There it is again:

"next world war"


1.5 billion dead.
Those asians know how to kill wholesale.

[TheGreek!]

There's gonna be a lot more people dead than that in WW3 doc, a whole lot more....

[drjarhead]

Originally Posted by TheGreek!

There's gonna be a lot more people dead than that in WW3 doc, a whole lot more....

Might be a lot less.

120 million or so in WWII.

I just expect where this will begin and how most of these people there are already hanging by a thread. Asia is where it will start this time. Starvation and disease will take far more than the direct effects of war IMO.

People manage to survive when it matters. More than one would think.

[Tank1981]

Originally Posted by drjarhead

Might be a lot less.

120 million or so in WWII.

I just expect where this will begin and how most of these people there are already hanging by a thread. Asia is where it will start this time. Starvation and disease will take far more than the direct effects of war IMO.

People manage to survive when it matters. More than one would think.

Let's hope your right Doc!

[BigAl]

Doc was close....

Revelation 9:18

By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

[BigShooter]

They are the final piece of the trifecta for the future energy wars. Let's just hope China and Russia don't team up against the U.S..

[drjarhead]

Originally Posted by BigShooter

They are the final piece of the trifecta for the future energy wars. Let's just hope China and Russia don't team up against the U.S..

I agree. If they do, Europe is toast.

Russia is the wild card. Whoever they side with will win. I expect they know that too.

[driftingbosco]

Russia isin't the strongest but they have enough power to tip the scale any way they want.

[Zdeno]

Hopefully not in our lifetimes, if a world war looks eminent I'll go back home to Serbia and sign up for the military there, if I'm dying I want to die for my homeland and where my family is.

[bovver]

Originally Posted by Zdeno

Hopefully not in our lifetimes, if a world war looks eminent I'll go back home to Serbia and sign up for the military there, if I'm dying I want to die for my homeland and where my family is.

I think we here in the United States will have a civil war before we enter a world war.

[drjarhead]

Originally Posted by bovver

I think we here in the United States will have a civil war before we enter a world war.

I would tend to agree with that also.

What they might do is bring on a war in an effort to create a surge of nationalism and prevent a civil war. It would probably work also. Something to consider.

[KickinBrass]

If there is a world war that sparks in Asia, seeing how we stick our nose in everything...do you think there would be a decent chance our government would reinstate the draft?

[Expertowgunner]

Just read that link to the article you posted, where does it say they are creating the brigades in preparation for the next world war? Not saying it wasn't said, rather im looking to find that post to share on facebook lol

[bovver]

Originally Posted by drjarhead

What they might do is bring on a war in an effort to create a surge of nationalism and prevent a civil war. It would probably work also. Something to consider.

Intresting point that I had not thought about.

[drjarhead]

Originally Posted by Expertowgunner

Just read that link to the article you posted, where does it say they are creating the brigades in preparation for the next world war? Not saying it wasn't said, rather im looking to find that post to share on facebook lol

Very first sentence

By Thomas Grove | Reuters

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Moscow will create two brigades to protect its valuable Arctic resources in the next world war, Russia's defence minister said on Friday.

[RG Coburn]

Originally Posted by Zdeno

Hopefully not in our lifetimes, if a world war looks eminent I'll go back home to Serbia and sign up for the military there, if I'm dying I want to die for my homeland and where my family is.

Why are you here then? Did you become a naturalized citizen of the United States?
Just visiting?
Most of us here take our citizenship pretty seriously. Some take it deadly serious.

[bovver]

Originally Posted by RG Coburn

Why are you here then? Did you become a naturalized citizen of the United States?
Just visiting?
Most of us here take our citizenship pretty seriously. Some take it deadly serious.

I think we all would go home to protect our families in bad times.
Cops do it all the time in the face or civil unrest.

[Rforbus]

I truely think the next large-scale conflict will be Russo-Sino, and my thoughts say to not interfere and let them just fight it out. I think China will be the aggressor; no doubt; as it will soon become a country of horny men without enough women to share between them and has a leadership that can still rule with an iron fist at will.

The Russians were tested by the Chyechen nation and it was proven that the Russians had become too soft to resurrect the sheer brutality that gave them victory over Germany during the Great War. So, they never made a decisive victory of any type in that conflict. The feared might of the former Red Army did not materialize there just as it did not in Afghanistan.

The Chinese have not involved themselves in much warfare since their slaughter by the Japanese army during the Great War. But they continue to strongly support other evil regimes with plenty of supplies while they continue to steal technology and use it to develop advanced weapons. It has been a very long time since the days of Genghis Khan and the Chinese military is viewed by most people to be poorly-trained and primitive and without any measured successes. Of course many of us know that the weaponry they have is nearly as good as that of anyone else since it is made with stolen technology.

But would any of these advanced weapons be used by either side; or would this perceived war just be a very long and bloody shooting war on the ground and a strafing/bombing war from the sky? To this day, the only country who stepped up to the challenge and successfully used its nuclear arsenal is the United States. So, I agree this is perhaps no more than just an attempt to restore national pride in those countries.

Is a true civil war possible here? I agree that it is - at least based on my observations. I arrived in the U.S.A. during 1977 as a German national and became a citizen of the U.S.A. during 1981. While I was on a fast-track to learn the language, civic structure, and history of the new country I do remember many people telling me of a coming "race war". As I learned more about the population makeup of the U.S.A. I determined there might be a "race skirmish" but nothing past that unless someone was very poor with mathematics. Of course I now realize that memories were fresh from the riots of the late 1960's so that is probably the origin of that idea.

But I do believe this storm is coming. It is a storm that will appear to be racial - at least in origin - but that will not be the true cause. It will simply be a war between the "have's" and the "have-not's". I think it will not take much at all to be one of the "haves". Perhaps nothing more than a roof over the head and food in the pantry will make one a "have". Where will it begin? I sincerely believe it will begin on our west coast, and there are not enough conservative people in power there to do anything about it.

That is the cultural shift I have seen now over three (03) decades here. Our national government (at least the one we have now) will no doubt try to appease the "have-not's" by supplying them with things that are taken by force if necessary. And the "have's" will be forced to choose a side. My question is; whose side will our military choose - at least in the beginning? I am quite sure that most soldiers and officers will eventually remember their oath to the Constitution and remember it is the people and ideas described in the contents of that document - not a current political regime - they were sworn to protect.

Let's all hope that I can just keep my aluminium foil hat in the closet.

Regards,
Robert Forbus

[77patriots]

http://www.amazon.com/Resource-Wars-...5&sr=1-1-spell

it is all here in this book

[RG Coburn]

Originally Posted by bovver

I think we all would go home to protect our families in bad times.
Cops do it all the time in the face or civil unrest.

If he(or she) is here,and became a US citizen,the they fight here,as one of us.What if Serbia takes a position against the US? And directs operations and fire against US troops?

[drjarhead]

I agree that if you become a citizen of this nation that is where your allegiance should lie. If not, you should not have come here in the first place.

Now there is another situation.
Things are peaceful here while his family is endangered.

Americans fought with the Brits and in China prior to the US entry into WWII. We consider them heroes now.

It is hard to imagine a conflagration of that size where the US would remain uninvolved, however, giving the current state of things.

[bovver]

Originally Posted by RG Coburn

If he(or she) is here,and became a US citizen,the they fight here,as one of us.What if Serbia takes a position against the US? And directs operations and fire against US troops?

If I am an American soldier I will put him down,period.
If I moved to Germany and became a german citizen in 1935,when the war started I would have came home to the U.S. and fought the Germans.
My family is here.
Your point is not wrong,mine is not wrong either.
In war,civil or otherwise,we all loose.
There is no right answer,you can only do what you think is best,and if the man wants to go home to his mother country and defend his family and the people he comes from,I as a human see nothing wrong with that and more power to him.
If he is sent back over here to fight Americans,I will defend my country.
If it was only a civil war and no other countries involved,pick a side dude,you aint going no where.

[Zdeno]

Originally Posted by RG Coburn

Why are you here then? Did you become a naturalized citizen of the United States?
Just visiting?
Most of us here take our citizenship pretty seriously. Some take it deadly serious.

College, I am currently a citizen of the United States and moved here when I was 18, my father wanted me to get a better education and started teaching me English at 15.

I intend to go home to Serbia, but I have 5 more years to get through at college and I want to finish with a masters degree.

Serbia has an Armed Neutrality policy like that of Sweden or Switzerland, unless you're directly threatening/invading them they do not become involved regardless of how violent or disturbing the nature of the situation may be, though they are currently sending small amounts of officers on UN peacekeeping missions it's in our constitution that we do not fight in defense of other nations or as an aggressor on foreign countries or their sovereign regions unless our own sovereignty is threatened by said country and or sovereign region.

Unless you know of some future plan of a U.S. military takeover of Serbia, I don't see our countries fighting and I don't see why you take issue with me going home to my country to defend my loved ones, you know for a fact you would go home and do the same if an armed riot was marching down your street.

Also, I'd like to add I'm not a lazy immigrant like these Mexicans that mail their money back to Mexico and corrupt your economy, I've worked at a steel factory for the last 2 years and have intentions of staying there until I decide to leave the country, I am a hard worker and I work hard to receive acceptable grades in school as well.

[allesennogwat]

By Thomas Grove | Reuters

MOSCOW - Russia said on Wednesday it would formally submit an application to the United Nations next year in the hope of redrawing the map of the Arctic, giving itself a bigger share of the resource-rich territory.

The plan follows a pledge last week to send troops and weapons to its icy north to guarantee its Arctic interests in the next world war. The formal application to the United Nations would change the region's borders and allow exploitation of the energy-rich Arctic territory.

Russia, Norway, the United States, Canada and Denmark are at odds over how to divide up the Arctic seabed, thought to hold 90 billion barrels of oil and 30 percent of the world's untapped gas resources, according to the U.S. Geological Survey.

The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea says that any coastal state can claim undersea territory 200 nautical miles from their shoreline and exploit the natural resources within that zone.

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-submit-...3Rpb25z;_ylv=3

[maxhush]

Is anyone else thinking of this as them perhaps planning a few moves ahead? A conflict they're not a direct party to might give them the opportunity to grab some territory using some well-trained arctic troops. Maybe re-annex Alaska, parts of Canada, Finland, and who knows what else while we're otherwise occupied.

[allesennogwat]

Well it's fairly certain they aren't creating Arctic special forces to count polar bear droppings. The Chinese are claiming they are beginning to count panda droppings though.

[drjarhead]

Originally Posted by maxhush

Is anyone else thinking of this as them perhaps planning a few moves ahead? A conflict they're not a direct party to might give them the opportunity to grab some territory using some well-trained arctic troops. Maybe re-annex Alaska, parts of Canada, Finland, and who knows what else while we're otherwise occupied.

Not much point in wasting time putting men and materiels into areas that have little to no military value when the cost would be high and these areas will fall to them by default if they are victorious.

The oil is a big deal.
Maybe there is more than oil, I don't know.
Whatever it is, they want it and are laying claim to very large areas.

All appearances are that the next world war will be about natural resources. Nothing new there, really, but it will be a bigger factor here. We are running out of space.

[Ding]

Russia, Norway, the United States, Canada and Denmark are at odds over how to divide up the Arctic seabed, thought to hold 90 billion barrels of oil and 30 percent of the world's untapped gas resources, according to the U.S. Geological Survey.

stick a straw in the ground and start sucking the stuff out.simple.oh and puff the EPA right where it is green.