VZ 58 receiver ?

detroit360 · 10-01-2005, 09:52 PM

Prexis sten said there were in the works, but now iI see there not on his web site anymore, any one know whats up.

6526 · 10-01-2005, 10:18 PM

was that the sheet metal version, I've been waiting for that one

detroit360 · 10-01-2005, 10:49 PM

I have no clue,It always said it's coming soon, but now I don't even see that, it never showed a picture.

smittygj · 10-02-2005, 01:34 AM

http://www.prexis.com/sten/42.htm

But you gotta back door the site to get to the page.

My guess is that he isn't going to offer it, at least not yet....

6526 · 10-02-2005, 04:03 AM

sounds like a milled to me(dont quote me), but with a rework of the front end as a trunion, and the rest sheet, it couldnt be less than $200

detroit360 · 10-02-2005, 11:19 AM

Why is it we can't buy that from Canada but we can build it here ??

rbthntr64 · 10-02-2005, 03:32 PM

Mike has a 75% block that he has shown over at weaponeer. It is supposidly going to be welded to the front part of the reciever in the kit.
Here is what he had to say;
"Any interest in a VZ-58 "repair" 80% receiver?????
It would be a new 80% receiver that goes from the stock mount to just before the chamber....
It would require that you square up & trim the front receiver section that came with your parts kit and weld the new receiver section in to place. This receiver is milled from "Solid" stock.....
The mag opening would be "slightly" undersized.....
The hole for mounting the stock would need threaded....
All holes for "Any" FCG would need to be drilled....
The area of the receiver that the FCG goes into will be a "reduced" width for building a "semi-version only" version of the VZ-58. (It could be cut out the rest of the way by any purchaser who can legally build a F/A version....
I will post pictures of this completed tomorrow night so that you can "see" what it would be like...... (I will be using this configuration for my VZ-58 build and will also be posting pictures of my semi approach in the near future.)"

rbthntr64 · 10-02-2005, 03:39 PM

Detroit,
The reason it cannot come in is because it is a modified machine gun. They have retrofitted it to semi-automatic and all of the parts are foreign made.

DaveGP · 10-04-2005, 02:33 PM

I've had discussions with Mike (the Prexis/Sten) and wait for an announcement shortly!

Badfish0069 · 10-04-2005, 05:58 PM

Keep in mind all you CALIFORNIA guys:

VZ-58 semi automatic is 100% legal to own and shoot in CA w/a permanently attached magazine of 10rd capacity. As the VZ uses a stripper clip, it is no different, legally, than an SKS when used w/a fixed magazine.

I dont see why someone can't make a U channel receiver and then mill blocks to hold the FCG as requird. Make the rails from stock like an AK... It looks do-able to me. I have not had the time to get to it yet.

*waves* Hi Dave... I bought some plans from you (sent em to CA) for a VZ, I have been waiting patiently also. I have not been able to find a kit w/all 3 receiver stub pieces in it and no time to make a sheetmetal one.

Take care.

BF

6526 · 10-04-2005, 10:53 PM

so thats what they look like before they're defiled with the gas ax! thanks for the pics

smittygj · 10-05-2005, 12:33 AM

They are here: http://www.prexis.com/sten/42.htm

80% receiver = $450

Seems high to me considering you can buy an AK milled receiver (100%)
for less than $300...

Just my opinion...

rbthntr64 · 10-05-2005, 02:34 AM

It is less than the $695 that OOW is asking.

DaveGP · 10-05-2005, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smittygj

They are here: http://www.prexis.com/sten/42.htm

80% receiver = $450

Seems high to me considering you can buy an AK milled receiver (100%)
for less than $300...

Just my opinion...

Have you taken a good look at a Vz58 receiver? I doubt it! It's a bear to machine a copy, and Mike is asking a hell of a fair price!
For those wanting an english Vz58 manual, I got one from a friend with a Czech friend - and I have it hosted on my site here....

http://www3.telus.net/gunnery/Czech/CZ858manual.pdf

You're welcome!

Auntoldstory · 08-24-2007, 11:25 PM

Why are vz-58 kits so cheap but when you go to buy the reciever you are spending an arm and a leg?

dstorm1911 · 08-25-2007, 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Auntoldstory

Why are vz-58 kits so cheap but when you go to buy the reciever you are spending an arm and a leg?

the parts sets are so cheap BECAUSE the reciever isn't......

BTW Folks ya can get the Czech made low cap reciever from Centerfire for 4 bills and change ya then needa mill out the mag well to go original Hi cap mags.... still alot easier and more reliable than the 80% version. I just went even easier though........ the OOW reciever is a cake walk to assemble........... and worth the extra $$ especially when ya put it in persepective compared to a milled AK price wise the VZ58 I hate to say it out classes the AK by bout 55% probably a lil more as its much more accurate, the standard BHO and easier to manipulate safty , lighter fast stock interchangability from fixed to folder etc.. etc.. etc.. its closer to a Valmet than an AK in quality really....

seg · 08-25-2007, 06:37 PM

The kits at CenterFire went up to $89, still cheap.But going up.
About the time I forget about them, one of these post pop up. BAM, I'll be up half the nite tring to come with a cheaper receiver.

Bubbajj · 08-25-2007, 07:30 PM

Can you assemble these D'strm? I bought the OOW reciever but I'm too chicken to start fooling with it. I've been looking for someone who knows how to do these or for a good tutorial. They are very complicated and the milled reciever is very intricate. I tried to press the barrel out of the old reciever stub but my 20 ton press stopped moving and the cross beam was bending in a quite sickening manner. I'll admit, I'm affraid of this one, owing to the fact that the reciever cost me almost 700 bucks.

dstorm1911 · 08-25-2007, 11:49 PM

Bubba, I've only assembled 16 of em I might be gettin it figured out

I replied to your PM,

Uhhhh please stop tryin to demil the kit

Bubbajj · 08-25-2007, 11:53 PM

Are you callin me stupid? You might not be far from wrong

I won't screw with it till I hear from you.

obiwanbonjovi · 08-29-2007, 12:29 PM

http://www.weaponeer.net/forum/forum...?TID=5240&PN=1

seg · 08-29-2007, 10:23 PM

100% Receiver for $350, Hell yea!!! Thats half the price of everone else.
Anybody know the guy from Weaponeer? Wants a $75 deposit , thats sounds fair to me. There was something about other parts (?) in there, too.

jwc0506 · 08-31-2007, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smittygj

They are here: http://www.prexis.com/sten/42.htm

80% receiver = $450

Seems high to me considering you can buy an AK milled receiver (100%)
for less than $300...

Just my opinion...

hahahahah..... not laughin at you -smitty just that price! man those vz where goi for $59 bucks at cfs awile back......nowonder! they gouge ya bad for the reciever. the sad thing is the vz is not as reliable and an AK-just read about it in guns and ammo mag. glad i didn't get one. but apprently they r decent shooters. i'd just sell the kit and go with an ak! too much $ to spend on a old kit.

jklein_1968 · 09-23-2007, 04:21 PM

Anyone got any info on OOWs VZ-2000?

dstorm1911 · 09-23-2007, 07:45 PM

The OOW built ones are exactly what ya have if ya buy their reciever and assemble it yourself your just paying an extra $400 for them to assemble it........

EXCELLENT rifle, I really like these folks who however will comment on a guns attributes based strictly on a magazine artical....... were they testing a REAL VZ58 or were they testing one of the single stack VZ58s that use the Promags instead of the originals, have the trigger that takes almost 12 lbs to fire etc....

The REAL VZ58 comes out to the same price of a milled AK when your done, however it will include a super smooth trigger, a standard real BHO, the ability to swap stocks depending on your mood in under 1 minute from folder to fixed very light weight using a short stroke gas piston system which lends itself to the very much improved accuracy over the AK with its gas piston attached to the bolt carrier etc...... oh and actual real world reliability.......... 17K rnds through one so far and not a single failure of any type..... thats being used in heavy blowing sand and dust here in AZ BTW.......

Bubbajj · 09-23-2007, 10:00 PM

you sure do talk alot about it, Dstorm.....

dstorm1911 · 09-24-2007, 09:04 AM

Bubbajj I really like em, the only thing I've ever found I don't like is the price of the recievers but try to put em in perspective with what they are as a milled unit as opposed to stamped.... I'd use one as the general go to carbine insteada the Yugo M70AB2 simply cause they are lighter and more accurate but.... the extra weight of the Yugo is better for longer shots which is what we tend to get more of out here in the desert......

Yours ain't the only one waitin in the wings, got a bunch of my own stuff thats on hold till get some of this stuff settled..... Needa get into the shop sometime soon... Don just recieved 6 more AKs to be built too.......

jklein_1968 · 09-24-2007, 06:48 PM

dstorm -- Thanks for the info. I was wondering if I should put a VZ-58 kit or two a way for later. I was uncomfortable about the ability to find compliance parts and a receiver. I was also unsure about how difficult it is to build one on a 100% receiver. I guess the worst that could happen is I sit on the kits until I can get the cash to have them built.

Bubbajj · 09-24-2007, 09:12 PM

you missed my point Dstorm. I was saying you have plenty of time to talk about em but you aint got time to build mine. I'm just givin ya a hard time. I'm gonna keep buggin ya, by the way.

dstorm1911 · 09-24-2007, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jklein_1968

dstorm -- Thanks for the info. I was wondering if I should put a VZ-58 kit or two a way for later. I was uncomfortable about the ability to find compliance parts and a receiver. I was also unsure about how difficult it is to build one on a 100% receiver. I guess the worst that could happen is I sit on the kits until I can get the cash to have them built.

If ya do the OOW kit it comes with everything ya need to be ready to go including 922R compliance parts etc... thats why its a much better deal when ya add it all up the prexis stuff the Weaponeer deal all of em ya still gotta come up with FCG and the rest of the compliance stuff etc...

Bubba, I've got 6 virgin yugo M70AB2s sittin in the machine room at the shop as well as 4 SBR M92 virgin kits, 1 1927a1 registered Tommy gun (an original thats totally wore out so gonna rebuild it with onea our unissued parts sets to make it a new old machine gun) 3 RPKs, 6 Rommy G kits and 2 VZ58s and ya know what?

When I get back into the shop I intend to do your VZ58 right behind onea the SBR M92s which puts you #2 in line..... the Tommy was #2 but its owner got sent to Iraq so ya got bumped from #9 to #2 just cause your my favorite annoyin Akfiles member

The other akfiles jobs are right behind you but keep that quiet cause 3 of them Yugo's are for friends of mine

I just gotta get the BS at home settled down some ........... man I sure am missin that ol Peterbilt... I walk cross the yard an start her up every mornin so she don't get too lonely...... Watched "Iceroad truckers" last night... that was bad....... as long as they don't re-run Smokey an the Bandit I might be able to keep hangin out here long enough to get into the shop an get some of these guns outa the way..... but it gets kinda tough when I go passin them trucks on I-10 everyday..... on a d@mn bike!!

AND to make matters worse the driver I put in my old road truck calls me WHILE he is drivin so I gotta listen to the Swift drivers all bitchin on the CB cause he's blowin by em pullin them West Virgina hills!! That outa be me pissin them steerin wheel holders off! but nooooooooo I'm sittin here lookin at a pile of needa be built guns...............

dyi · 09-24-2007, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dstorm1911

Iwhen ya add it all up ... the Weaponeer deal all of em ya still gotta come up with FCG and the rest of the compliance stuff etc...

http://www.weaponeer.net/productcart...&idproduct=145

http://www.weaponeer.net/productcart...&idproduct=149

$480 total vs $695????????

lextech · 09-25-2007, 07:03 PM

Damn that gb looks enticing. I gotta lotta irons in the fire now but man thatld be something different to own. Im a little lerry of group buys, I got in on one on Roderus customs website in april and Im still waiting for my kit, estimated delivery was mid june.

10-01-2005, 09:52 PM	#1
detroit360 Member AKaholic #: 1697 Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 131	VZ 58 receiver ? Prexis sten said there were in the works, but now iI see there not on his web site anymore, any one know whats up.

10-02-2005, 01:34 AM	#4
smittygj Member AKaholic #: 2079 Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 167	Still says coming soon... http://www.prexis.com/sten/42.htm But you gotta back door the site to get to the page. My guess is that he isn't going to offer it, at least not yet....

10-02-2005, 03:39 PM	#8
rbthntr64 Senior Member AKaholic #: 3964 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 504	Marstar CZH2003 Detroit, The reason it cannot come in is because it is a modified machine gun. They have retrofitted it to semi-automatic and all of the parts are foreign made.

10-04-2005, 10:53 PM	#11
6526 Curio & Relic AKaholic #: 3433 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: southwest WI Posts: 4,871	so thats what they look like before they're defiled with the gas ax! thanks for the pics Last edited by 6526; 12-16-2005 at 12:54 PM.

10-05-2005, 12:33 AM	#12
smittygj Member AKaholic #: 2079 Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 167	They are out there, but they are pricey... They are here: http://www.prexis.com/sten/42.htm 80% receiver = $450 Seems high to me considering you can buy an AK milled receiver (100%) for less than $300... Just my opinion...

10-01-2005, 10:18 PM	#2
6526 Curio & Relic AKaholic #: 3433 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: southwest WI Posts: 4,871	was that the sheet metal version, I've been waiting for that one

10-01-2005, 10:49 PM	#3
detroit360 Member AKaholic #: 1697 Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 131	I have no clue,It always said it's coming soon, but now I don't even see that, it never showed a picture.

10-02-2005, 04:03 AM	#5
6526 Curio & Relic AKaholic #: 3433 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: southwest WI Posts: 4,871	sounds like a milled to me(dont quote me), but with a rework of the front end as a trunion, and the rest sheet, it couldnt be less than $200

10-02-2005, 11:19 AM	#6
detroit360 Member AKaholic #: 1697 Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 131	Why is it we can't buy that from Canada but we can build it here ??

10-02-2005, 03:32 PM	#7
rbthntr64 Senior Member AKaholic #: 3964 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 504	Mike has a 75% block that he has shown over at weaponeer. It is supposidly going to be welded to the front part of the reciever in the kit. Here is what he had to say; "Any interest in a VZ-58 "repair" 80% receiver????? It would be a new 80% receiver that goes from the stock mount to just before the chamber.... It would require that you square up & trim the front receiver section that came with your parts kit and weld the new receiver section in to place. This receiver is milled from "Solid" stock..... The mag opening would be "slightly" undersized..... The hole for mounting the stock would need threaded.... All holes for "Any" FCG would need to be drilled.... The area of the receiver that the FCG goes into will be a "reduced" width for building a "semi-version only" version of the VZ-58. (It could be cut out the rest of the way by any purchaser who can legally build a F/A version.... I will post pictures of this completed tomorrow night so that you can "see" what it would be like...... (I will be using this configuration for my VZ-58 build and will also be posting pictures of my semi approach in the near future.)"

10-04-2005, 02:33 PM	#9
DaveGP Member AKaholic #: 176 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 51	I've had discussions with Mike (the Prexis/Sten) and wait for an announcement shortly!

10-04-2005, 05:58 PM	#10
Badfish0069 Member AKaholic #: 4136 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 46	Keep in mind all you CALIFORNIA guys: VZ-58 semi automatic is 100% legal to own and shoot in CA w/a permanently attached magazine of 10rd capacity. As the VZ uses a stripper clip, it is no different, legally, than an SKS when used w/a fixed magazine. I dont see why someone can't make a U channel receiver and then mill blocks to hold the FCG as requird. Make the rails from stock like an AK... It looks do-able to me. I have not had the time to get to it yet. waves Hi Dave... I bought some plans from you (sent em to CA) for a VZ, I have been waiting patiently also. I have not been able to find a kit w/all 3 receiver stub pieces in it and no time to make a sheetmetal one. Take care. BF

10-05-2005, 02:34 AM	#13
rbthntr64 Senior Member AKaholic #: 3964 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 504	It is less than the $695 that OOW is asking.

08-24-2007, 11:25 PM	#15
Auntoldstory New Member AKaholic #: 8916 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 24	Why are vz-58 kits so cheap but when you go to buy the reciever you are spending an arm and a leg?

08-25-2007, 06:37 PM	#17
seg Member AKaholic #: 8278 Join Date: May 2007 Location: I see castros people Posts: 389	The kits at CenterFire went up to $89, still cheap.But going up. About the time I forget about them, one of these post pop up. BAM, I'll be up half the nite tring to come with a cheaper receiver.

08-25-2007, 07:30 PM	#18
Bubbajj Veteran Member AKaholic #: 4250 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Phoenix (area) AZ Posts: 1,818	Can you assemble these D'strm? I bought the OOW reciever but I'm too chicken to start fooling with it. I've been looking for someone who knows how to do these or for a good tutorial. They are very complicated and the milled reciever is very intricate. I tried to press the barrel out of the old reciever stub but my 20 ton press stopped moving and the cross beam was bending in a quite sickening manner. I'll admit, I'm affraid of this one, owing to the fact that the reciever cost me almost 700 bucks. __________________ You can't spell "Slaughter" without "Laughter" The AK47 is a cheap POS designed to be assembled in third world shitholes by a labor force composed of knuckle dragging, booger eating morons. It was then to be handed out to an army of uneducated peasant retards who couldn't find their own ass with both hands and a map. Thats the true genius of the design and why it remains ubiquitous to this day. Gotmine on Barrack Obama: "He is, indeed, a bugger of the third magnitude."

08-25-2007, 11:49 PM	#19
dstorm1911 Curio & Relic AKaholic #: 4307 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Mostly Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,761	Bubba, I've only assembled 16 of em I might be gettin it figured out I replied to your PM, Uhhhh please stop tryin to demil the kit

08-25-2007, 11:53 PM	#20
Bubbajj Veteran Member AKaholic #: 4250 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Phoenix (area) AZ Posts: 1,818	Are you callin me stupid? You might not be far from wrong I won't screw with it till I hear from you. __________________ You can't spell "Slaughter" without "Laughter" The AK47 is a cheap POS designed to be assembled in third world shitholes by a labor force composed of knuckle dragging, booger eating morons. It was then to be handed out to an army of uneducated peasant retards who couldn't find their own ass with both hands and a map. Thats the true genius of the design and why it remains ubiquitous to this day. Gotmine on Barrack Obama: "He is, indeed, a bugger of the third magnitude."

08-29-2007, 12:29 PM	#21
obiwanbonjovi Member AKaholic #: 8977 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 387	new option coming soon for 100% receivers http://www.weaponeer.net/forum/forum...?TID=5240&PN=1

08-29-2007, 10:23 PM	#22
seg Member AKaholic #: 8278 Join Date: May 2007 Location: I see castros people Posts: 389	100% Receiver for $350, Hell yea!!! Thats half the price of everone else. Anybody know the guy from Weaponeer? Wants a $75 deposit , thats sounds fair to me. There was something about other parts (?) in there, too. __________________ aholic-One that is addicted to or compulsively in need of( example-AK'S, hense the term AKaholic ) This is not sarcassam but in fact the true definition of the term http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/a/a0152900.html But, the phrase AKaholic could in fact be sarcassam, depending on the person, reason for use, etc.So,Let it be know As far as myself and any reference that I my use in pertaining to Theropy or self help groups is in fact sarcassam

09-23-2007, 04:21 PM	#24
jklein_1968 Member AKaholic #: 8654 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 279	Anyone got any info on OOWs VZ-2000? __________________ I love my Bible and My Gun Fair Winds and Following Seas Jim

09-23-2007, 07:45 PM	#25
dstorm1911 Curio & Relic AKaholic #: 4307 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Mostly Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,761	The OOW built ones are exactly what ya have if ya buy their reciever and assemble it yourself your just paying an extra $400 for them to assemble it........ EXCELLENT rifle, I really like these folks who however will comment on a guns attributes based strictly on a magazine artical....... were they testing a REAL VZ58 or were they testing one of the single stack VZ58s that use the Promags instead of the originals, have the trigger that takes almost 12 lbs to fire etc.... The REAL VZ58 comes out to the same price of a milled AK when your done, however it will include a super smooth trigger, a standard real BHO, the ability to swap stocks depending on your mood in under 1 minute from folder to fixed very light weight using a short stroke gas piston system which lends itself to the very much improved accuracy over the AK with its gas piston attached to the bolt carrier etc...... oh and actual real world reliability.......... 17K rnds through one so far and not a single failure of any type..... thats being used in heavy blowing sand and dust here in AZ BTW.......

09-23-2007, 10:00 PM	#26
Bubbajj Veteran Member AKaholic #: 4250 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Phoenix (area) AZ Posts: 1,818	you sure do talk alot about it, Dstorm..... __________________ You can't spell "Slaughter" without "Laughter" The AK47 is a cheap POS designed to be assembled in third world shitholes by a labor force composed of knuckle dragging, booger eating morons. It was then to be handed out to an army of uneducated peasant retards who couldn't find their own ass with both hands and a map. Thats the true genius of the design and why it remains ubiquitous to this day. Gotmine on Barrack Obama: "He is, indeed, a bugger of the third magnitude."

09-24-2007, 09:04 AM	#27
dstorm1911 Curio & Relic AKaholic #: 4307 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Mostly Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,761	Bubbajj I really like em, the only thing I've ever found I don't like is the price of the recievers but try to put em in perspective with what they are as a milled unit as opposed to stamped.... I'd use one as the general go to carbine insteada the Yugo M70AB2 simply cause they are lighter and more accurate but.... the extra weight of the Yugo is better for longer shots which is what we tend to get more of out here in the desert...... Yours ain't the only one waitin in the wings, got a bunch of my own stuff thats on hold till get some of this stuff settled..... Needa get into the shop sometime soon... Don just recieved 6 more AKs to be built too.......

09-24-2007, 06:48 PM	#28
jklein_1968 Member AKaholic #: 8654 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 279	dstorm -- Thanks for the info. I was wondering if I should put a VZ-58 kit or two a way for later. I was uncomfortable about the ability to find compliance parts and a receiver. I was also unsure about how difficult it is to build one on a 100% receiver. I guess the worst that could happen is I sit on the kits until I can get the cash to have them built. __________________ I love my Bible and My Gun Fair Winds and Following Seas Jim

09-24-2007, 09:12 PM	#29
Bubbajj Veteran Member AKaholic #: 4250 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Phoenix (area) AZ Posts: 1,818	you missed my point Dstorm. I was saying you have plenty of time to talk about em but you aint got time to build mine. I'm just givin ya a hard time. I'm gonna keep buggin ya, by the way. __________________ You can't spell "Slaughter" without "Laughter" The AK47 is a cheap POS designed to be assembled in third world shitholes by a labor force composed of knuckle dragging, booger eating morons. It was then to be handed out to an army of uneducated peasant retards who couldn't find their own ass with both hands and a map. Thats the true genius of the design and why it remains ubiquitous to this day. Gotmine on Barrack Obama: "He is, indeed, a bugger of the third magnitude."

09-25-2007, 07:03 PM	#32
lextech Curio & Relic Contributor AKaholic #: 6259 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: central new york Posts: 4,573	Damn that gb looks enticing. I gotta lotta irons in the fire now but man thatld be something different to own. Im a little lerry of group buys, I got in on one on Roderus customs website in april and Im still waiting for my kit, estimated delivery was mid june.

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