Public Schools Destroy Children, By Design

[lsmurphy]

My son is 4 years old and my wife began homeschool about 6 weeks ago. Collin is not old enough to begin kindergarten and yet my wife decided not to wait another year.

Wife began two months ago to gather the kindergarten curriculum, at one point we were deciding to buy an entire package for $600, gratefully we did not have the extra money. With barrowed books my wife quickly discovered that Collin was well beyond the K cirriculum. Two weeks ago she ordered 1st grade books.

Collin is sailing through the 1st grade, now reading and understanding simple math (simple fractions, addition, subtraction), larger vocabulary than other 4 yr olds (spelling ability level is beyond 1st grade), computer competent for his age, he have a particular interest in science (earth science, water, fish, dinosours, astronomy). Four hours per day 6 days a week. At this rate he may be well into the third grade before he would be of age to begin 1st grade.

We decided to homeschool several years ago, since we both have adult children and have wittnessed the incompetence of the public schools first hand, we made a conscience decision not to allow our son to suffer at the hands of a destructive system.

Scott

[Shadow Walker]

Good move on your part.

My kids were homeschooled for a number of years.

As a pre-teen, my daughter went to public school and was being taught General Math in a confused and difficult manner. I taught her a much easier way to do General Math, and the teacher refused to accept it. The teacher insisted she learn a hard way of doing General Math.

That made me think the teacher wanted the students to fail. After all, General Math is General Math, and if you get the correct answers, why make it hard to learn.

[valleyrat]

We are where we are due to public schools. They are the lefts most powerful weapon.

[Kaleb]

The only issue I take with home schooling is social skills.
I'm not insinuating your kid will have a problem

My wife's nephew is a fat lazy loser with no job and no desire to anything but watch porn and play video games. In his early twenties, he should be out doing something. I doubt he's seen the sun in weeks. His attitude is ridiculous.

This can all be attributed to his parents flagrant disregard for discipline and the fact that he was home schooled, not forced to do his work in it's entirety, and was never forced to deal with the public at large. The poor thing can't even order his own food at a restaurant. Pathetic.


Kings to you Murph for keeping your kid out the filth and tolerance preaching of public education.
I would NEVER presume to tell you how to raise your kid, but if I had one, even at his young age, I'd schedule in some tag along days. Days where instead of school work he tags along with pops and sees how the world works. I had a million questions as a kid and no one would ever show me a goddamn thing. High five for all of you who don't just take it "seriously" but take it personally serious.

Good for you and your wife.

[Geist762]

Right On....

Public Schooling is one of the planks.

[obxned]

All public education teaches is the ability to put up with bullsh.. and stupidity.

[bigwheel]

Good to hear Murphy, mines in the 8th grade now. A year ahead in grade for the
age and two or three years ahead against kids in public schools. Most of them
aren't real polite either and are way to knowledgable when it comes to things
they shouldn't know.

[GMBshootingclubM60]

We homeschooled all 5 of our children. The Vermont schools were big on globalism in the late 70s and we didn't want to take the chance on losing any child.

Ask any adult how they feel about a homeschooled child and they almost always say that the child is 'mature' beyond their years.

Age-segregated learning is not natural and isn't found in the 'real' world. Were all the coworkers you learned from your exact age? The public school wants to assign the parents as old fudds, not to be listened to. The child learns from the teacher, the only 'adult' the public school wants them to believe.

We need more home schooling! We used Christian Liberty Academy classwork, which was laid out very well. Also, join HSLDA, the Home school legal defense association to keep in touch with legal issues.

[GMBshootingclubM60]

An aside... we ignored the 'gun free school zone' crap, since I was dealing in NFA... (smile).

[KalashnikovMarine]

Amen Murph, My kids are all getting home schooled like their momma, I wish I'd had that opportunity instead of wasting my time in the public school system

[Mandaree36]

The problem is schools have had to decrease the standards for years for children that could not keep up.

Parents that are uninvolved and of no help have only made it worse with lawsuits over their kids being held back, their kids failing, etc...

Add in the American family involvement has for years declined - with schools steadily having to increase not just academic learning ....but life skills and moral standards.

And.....anytime one lets others teach their children right from wrong...well than thats when the teacher of same becomes the model.

And why....parental failure.

Just some random thoughts from the frontlines........

[drjarhead]

It all starts in the home, that is for damn sure.

[GMBshootingclubM60]

Inflation forcing the two-earner family model is a big factor, too. The 1970s and on. Public school was a different world in the 1950s from today's schools. They even had target practice in the basement back then!

[GMBshootingclubM60]

Depending on the state and school district, there are forms to fill out.

The public school REALLY doesn't like losing the state aid $$ when someone homeschools.

[Pvt.Joker]

Originally Posted by GMBshootingclubM60

Public school was a different world in the 1950s from today's schools. They even had target practice in the basement back then!

They still have it today in some districts. Only now it's on the playground, in the hallways, in the classrooms.


Just the results of the Long March through the educational system. I started to go back at one point to get a teaching degree, and didn't last two semesters before I got so disgusted at what they were teaching the teachers to teach. No wonder we have what we have; generations of those who were brainwashed, teaching others who are brainwashed how to brainwash the next generations- and DAMN few exceptions (and most of those get railroaded by the libtard administration who run the asylums). Pathetic.

Yes; DEFINITELY home school your children. They will be the future leaders; because they will be the only ones left who know how to make anything work correctly- IF there's anything left to try and fix, that is.

[mace2364]

Hey Scott,

I was actually homeschooled from 4th grade on to graduation. While I did not appreciate it at the time, I am certainly glad my parents decided to. I actually got an education. I will admit that not going to a regular HS probably contributed to some women troubles I've had in my life(I got married at 18 and divorced before I was 21) because some lack of social contact. I guess on the other hand, women troubles seem to be going around as of late anyways. I also have alot of good memories of "field trips" we took as a family. Being from Maryland, we took trips to Jamestown, Williamsburg, DC(actually seeing the original copy of Declaration of Independence and the Constitution is pretty neat), Gettysburg and several other places as well. The things I learned, that I would not have learned in the public system, they will never be able to take away from me. I also cherish those memories of things we did as a family. I have 2 brothers, and homeschooling was definitely trying for my mother, but now looking back at it, I certainly don't regret it. And I don't think anyone else in my family does either. That reminds me, when I get home from this godawful place, I'm going to seriously thank my mom and dad for putting the time and effort in to homeschool me and my brothers.

Oh and don't you let anyone try to tell you that your kids won't get a good education, or you aren't qualified teachers either. My parents didn't have a teaching background either. We were under an "umbrella school" that we bought the ciriculum from. We would do checkups with them every so often(sorry it's been more than 10 years so I can't remember how often). When we got to HS age, the local people in our group(we were certainly not the only ones in the area who homeschooled) would get together for some classes. I never took SATs because I had already decided to enlist, but I scored a 98 on the ASVAB test when I took it. I found out later that that score is not a percentage of correct answers. It is the percentage of other testers in the nationwide database that you scored better than. I'm not saying this to toot my own horn. I just wanted to illustrate my point that your son will, if anything get a better education from being homeschooled that his peers who are not. I certainly did.

[mace2364]

Oh I almost forgot, our umbrella school was called Walkersville Christian Family Schools.

[LuzRD]

wow! i didnt realize so many people homeschool/were homeschooled.
kudos to all of you!

[bluak47]

Kinda amazing actually Luz.

I simply dropped out in early 10th grade, had a job as the local papers photographer, and they never really asked my age. My schooling (all over the country) up to that point was pretty bad. Virginia schools were the best.

My kids are home schooled, or very recently part of a very small school which teaches individual 'survival' skills in real life settings ... the Expeditionary Learning schools. Kinda interesting and timely, me thinks.

Two thoughts: "Social skills" at these death camps are now worse than the "curriculum". Godless interaction, designed by heathens to create more heathens.

I scored a 99+ in both math and language percentiles taking the SAT before 10th grade. I don't think the tests, or the education system amount to much. I was teaching myself basically.

I also am free of the brainwashing that causes citizens to become hopelessly enslaved by the state. Happy 9/11, folks.

[Mandaree36]

I can tell you I am all for home schooling - when done properly with regard to actual learning and academic progress.

The other key component is socializing. Thats a big miss often times with home schooling. It can lead to some really odd behavior and later psychological issues when in large crowds or at college.

Just saying.

I wont get into lost sports participation and the physical development it can aide with. Make that a part of the homeschooling plan - i.e. get a weight set, or make them run. You know what I mean.

You also might consider using the boy scouts or girl scouts as a source for socializing, skills learning and so forth.

[lsmurphy]

We just registered Collin with the Gateway Christian Schools and the local co-op for local activities.

Church is his primary source for 'socialization'.

Scott

[lsmurphy]

That's right, Church. I've said before I'm helping raise the next generation of Crusaders.

Scott

[Mandaree36]

I dont see anything wrong with that kind of socializing - they need it for proper development and what could be better...some morales with the socializing.

[Lahti35]

My wife went through home schooling but went to the public schools for art and music (10-12 grade....thats where i met her).

I was sent to a catholic hell where we spent two hours every morning on the ways of sin/punishment and punishment for sins.....did i mention sins? I didn't get out of the catholic nightmare until 7th grade when i entered public school and found out how much i'd missed.

While my new public school buddies had spent 1-6th grade going of field trips and activities I got to confess my sins and get scolded. Worst teacher i ever had was 5th grade, THAT'S YOU MRS CAROL KARR! She was sadistic and took pleasure in tearing you down in front of the whole class. I begged and pleaded to be taken out of there but i was just the kid that mom and dad didn't believe.

Moral of the story here is that our kids will never go to private schools and they way the public schools are chances are slim they will go there either! Huzzah for home schooling!

I think my wife's parents had it right..... they sent her to PS to get just enough social education (whatever you call it) but kept her home for the core stuff.

[drjarhead]

Originally Posted by Lahti35

While my new public school buddies had spent 1-6th grade going of field trips and activities I got to confess my sins and get scolded. Worst teacher i ever had was 5th grade, THAT'S YOU MRS CAROL KARR! She was sadistic and took pleasure in tearing you down in front of the whole class. I begged and pleaded to be taken out of there but i was just the kid that mom and dad didn't believe.

I had a third grade teacher like that.
In retrospect, I am convinced she thought I was jewish for some reason. My stubborn streak came through and I just became defiant towards that f'ing bitch even though it resulted in my Dad tearing my ass up a couple of times before he gave up.

I ended up in the library almost daily.
There I poured over Encyclopedia Britannica and info on the human body, the solare system, and every science question I ever had. I read every autobiography they had on the FFs. Plenty more.
I also had to keep up with my class work.

Also in retrospect, it may have been the best thing that ever happened to me. In effect, I was homeschooled - by myself - for my 3rd grade year. I have to wonder where I'd have been without that as it spurred me ahead and gave me habits and self-discipline that led me for many years.

Bitch is probably dead though. I'd like to find her and go piss on her grave.

[Lahti35]

Originally Posted by drjarhead

I had a third grade teacher like that.
In retrospect, I am convinced she thought I was jewish for some reason. My stubborn streak came through and I just became defiant towards that f'ing bitch even though it resulted in my Dad tearing my ass up a couple of times before he gave up.

I ended up in the library almost daily.
There I poured over Encyclopedia Britannica and info on the human body, the solare system, and every science question I ever had. I read every autobiography they had on the FFs. Plenty more.
I also had to keep up with my class work.

Also in retrospect, it may have been the best thing that ever happened to me. In effect, I was homeschooled - by myself - for my 3rd grade year. I have to wonder where I'd have been without that as it spurred me ahead and gave me habits and self-discipline that led me for many years.

Bitch is probably dead though. I'd like to find her and go piss on her grave.

You know i bumped into my old 5th grade warden 3 years ago while i was working for the cable company. She was the same, just older and fatter. I was there to install cable phone service but she decided she wanted an extra TV outlet upstairs in her kitchen too. I told her i'd do it if i had time....guess who didn't have the time. Call and reschedule bitch!

Felt great. The moral of the story here is be nice to your students..... one of them maybe the cable guy you need something from in 19 years.

[Coach]

Instead of constantly bitching about how bad the education system is, why don't some of y'all come teach.

We could use a few good men.

[drjarhead]

Originally Posted by Coach

Instead of constantly bitching about how bad the education system is, why don't some of y'all come teach.

We could use a few good men.

Actually, I did look into it a couple of years ago and I would need to get my teaching degree/certificate. Being a doc, good at all the sciences and math, isn't good enough apparently. Imagine that.

I only considered it because I thought I could really enrich these kids understanding of science, especially. I long ago learned that to really be able to explain something you had to really understand it. Just puking out the points in the book doesn't cut it. IMHO.

Anyhow, the teachers union has the State Govt by the balls, same as the nurses do. That's how it is in my State, anyhow.

[Coach]

Doc, there's back doors in, especially for retired military, engineers, docs, etc.

I don't know about where you live (Cali, right?), but most states have alternative certification programs that are open to just about anybody with a bachelor's degree in anything.

In Texas, they usually have you do a Summer of training, then a bunch of Saturday training throughout the first year of teaching. They dock your pay $3k or so to fund the program. You take the tests at the end of the first year, and they train you to pass the tests.

I went through alternative certification with a retired USAF COL, F-4 and F-111 driver who flew in Vietnam and the Gulf War, and we taught together for 15 years. He retired from teaching at the end of last year.

There's also Teach For America.

[decemberdan]

Nowadays private schools are not at all like Lahti35 described it. There are very few private school teachers who will do that and there are no more than there are in public schools. The teachers may try and convert you to there way of thinking, but they can't tear you down like they used to for fear of a lawsuit. That actually happened at my catholic school, a teacher said something stupid about a girl's dead mother and got fired, sued and basically her life is hell now. Moral of the story is that private school isn't a hell-hole like it used to be, it's actually generally better than public school. I don't know much in the ways of homeshooling, but the few homeschooled people i do know really do have problems socializing with the general public. Guess I'm just playing devil's advocate here haha

[CPO TED]

Originally Posted by Coach

Instead of constantly bitching about how bad the education system is, why don't some of y'all come teach.

We could use a few good men.

Yeah ... but then you got the battle of the text books.

I'm just finishing up Pol Sci ...

The text book is "Essentials of American Government Roots and Reform"written by Larry Sabato, Karen O'Connor, and A. Yanus.

A bunch of progressives and shills for the Democraptic Party.

This "text book" is so heavily biased that it make my Ford pull to the left when I'm driving to school.

Not that it matters ... most ALL of my class mates are from down by Atlanta.


There's about only ONE young guy in the bunch I can talk to. It turns out he's a former Marine, spent time in the sandbox ... and is now thinking about maybe becoming an officer.

T

[CPO TED]

Originally Posted by Coach

Instead of constantly bitching about how bad the education system is, why don't some of y'all come teach.

We could use a few good men.

DON'T CONSIDER THE SECONDARY SCHOOLS DOC!!!!!!


I can just see the freakin' bodies flying out the windows now.


Its Career and Tech Ed (CTE) in a post secondary world for me.

Teaching people who REALLY want to learn.

T

[Coach]

Originally Posted by CPO TED

DON'T CONSIDER THE SECONDARY SCHOOLS DOC!!!!!

Why the Hell not?

Because it's easier to sit at home and throw stones at the man in the arena?

Because it's easier to curse the darkness than to light a candle?

[bluak47]

...blow up the arena,
and light up the night.

the dark tent you perceive,
is the problem. walk away,
walk away.

[CPO TED]

Originally Posted by Coach

Why the Hell not?

Because it's easier to sit at home and throw stones at the man in the arena?

Because it's easier to curse the darkness than to light a candle?

No ... I WASN'T attacking teachers ... so cool your jets!!!

I was suggesting that the Doc may not have the patience for high school students.

I know that I do not.

I live next to a Vice Principal in one High School, and her husband is a Bio teacher and football coach in another.

I got all the respect in the world for them ...

But they tell me almost EVERY DAY what goes on in High School.

Our public schools have been RUINED by politicians and progressives.

Also ... the kids today never had to learn, so the no longer want to learn.

Let the kids get beat up by a pay check for a while ... when they come back into the system REALLY wanting to learn ... that's where I'll get them.


I WANT TO TEACH!!!! Why the HELL do you think I'm in College at 60 years of age???

But only on a post high school level. I realize that I have NO patience for High School Students.

This doesn't make me a bad person ... its just the reality of the situation.

I CAN teach people who REALLY want to learn ... and will do a good job of it.

T