Blame it on Bush......

[77patriots]

When in doubt , just blame bush............... that our "leadership" in washington..

Dont get me wrong Bush was no REAL republican.... and I hate the so called "patriot act" , but next time some leftist asshole tells you it was all bushes fault, ask the less then informed party......................

Who was in control of Congress since 2007 and then ask them how that matters on issues of legislation and spending.............

its the same but inverted when talking about coke-head bill clinton
it was a conservative majority in congress that kept him from running wild..


and after Nov. obama will do waht he does best,,, lie, cry and complaint that his "progress" (marxism) is being obstructed by the republican hose of rep.

stop thinking (R) or (D)............... and think progressive ( marxist) vs Libertarian or Constitutional candidate.

Thats why i think the TEA parties are so good for the political scene.

the truth of the matter is were fucked , the politicians ran this palce into the ground... we need to lock them up and start a new.

[2336]

Originally posted by 77patriots

the truth of the matter is were fucked , the politicians ran this palce into the ground... we need to lock them up and start a new.

How true! However, the November elections won't make a bit of difference, no matter how much they blame Bush! Even if enough decent politicians are voted in they don't take office until January. In the meantime Pelosi and Reid and their cohorts will do their level best to ram through everything they can, causing as much damage as they can before departing.

[77patriots]

Originally Posted by 2336

How true! However, the November elections won't make a bit of difference, no matter how much they blame Bush! Even if enough decent politicians are voted in they don't take office until January. In the meantime Pelosi and Reid and their cohorts will do their level best to ram through everything they can, causing as much damage as they can before departing.

very true

[IanMor]

I blame Canada for all our ills. No, I don't have any logical basis to this, but it seems the right thing to do!

[Aug's Dad]

Originally Posted by IanMor

I blame Canada for all our ills. No, I don't have any logical basis to this, but it seems the right thing to do!

Damn Canooks. I knew all the time it was their fault.

[lsmurphy]

Yawn.

Scott

[drjarhead]

Originally Posted by 77patriots

the truth of the matter is were fucked , the politicians ran this palce into the ground... we need to lock them up and start a new.

[javelin]

Originally Posted by 77patriots

When in doubt , just blame bush............... that our "leadership" in washington..

Dont get me wrong Bush was no REAL republican.... and I hate the so called "patriot act" , but next time some leftist asshole tells you it was all bushes fault, ask the less then informed party......................

Who was in control of Congress since 2007 and then ask them how that matters on issues of legislation and spending.............

its the same but inverted when talking about coke-head bill clinton
it was a conservative majority in congress that kept him from running wild..


and after Nov. obama will do waht he does best,,, lie, cry and complaint that his "progress" (marxism) is being obstructed by the republican hose of rep.

stop thinking (R) or (D)............... and think progressive ( marxist) vs Libertarian or Constitutional candidate.

Thats why i think the TEA parties are so good for the political scene.

the truth of the matter is were fucked , the politicians ran this palce into the ground... we need to lock them up and start a new.

First, no it was not the politicians that ran this place into the ground. Sorry, but its true. Who is to blame? The people of the United States for being lethargic and complacent. Politicians do what politicians do, gather power and regulate.

Having said that, the Tea Party will fix nothing and Nov will have no effect other than to lul those that are supposedly "awake" back to sleep. Politicians will still be bought out by the many Unions and organizations under Tides and others. Politicians will still be sucked into the power vaccumme that takes place as a Jr senator having little to no effect whatsoever.

There are NO CONSTITUTIONAL CANDIDATES out there that I can see. Oh yeah they may claim it... but hey I have heard these lines before such as...

"Read my lips, No new taxes..."

"I didnt have sex with that woman..."

"Weapons of mass destruction...."

"Hope and Change...."

So whats new? They can kiss my ass while I buy another 1k rounds of ammo because in the end they will do nothing for me, you or anyone else. I have lost all faith, trust and reverence for our government on all levels.

What blows my mind is how many times people swollow the lies and keep running back for more. Einstien said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

So who is the crazy one?

[77patriots]

yep we the sheeple

[XSAPPER]

Originally Posted by drjarhead

I'm stocked up on ammo and food, now I've startedstocking up on rope! Got about a thousand feet already. Although it's reuseable it would take a long time one at a time .

[Mandaree36]

When it comes to politics and elections there is only one way to view it...

Vote for the devil you can live with.

I believe all are corrupt, you just have to vote for the as of yet least corrupted one. The one who supports the largest amount of items important to you.

Thats my take.

I also submit that you better be involved in who gets elected or who does not. Sitting out the democratic process and playing potluck does not work. Get involved.

[gotmine]

The gallows carries far more influence than the vote...Just keep on stacking it for now.

[Mandaree36]

Originally Posted by gotmine

The gallows carries far more influence than the vote...Just keep on stacking it for now.

More like keep on with the fantastical thinking...

Anything short of global collapse means you just wasted the electorial process and will now live under who the majority voted into office...

I am thankful there are now millions of Americans out there getting involved in the process and not thinking they will sit it out...Americans exercising their rights to support and elect candidates that share their views - while they preserve the democratic process....

Thats my two...I know many missed that two...but now...Daddy is home.

[bluak47]

Originally Posted by Mandaree36

More like keep on with the fantastical thinking...


Thats my two...I know many missed that two...but now...Daddy is home.

um, DADS HOME ! DADS HOME !!!

hey mandaree, welcome home.

[javelin]

[QUOTE=Mandaree36]
More like keep on with the fantastical thinking...

Anything short of global collapse means you just wasted the electorial process and will now live under who the majority voted into office...

QUOTE]

Understood yet the very process you speak of leads to that same end. I mean lets not kid ourselves here. Lets look at the truth of this matter. In the past 100 years there has not been a leader of the people, for the people nor by the people. Some may have come closer than others yet there is not one.

The lesser of two evils is how we came to be here more than the lack of participation within the process. The real issue is that the people have been asleep for too long taking part in the process that they do not understand.

The key lay within the hands of the people. Yet the time needed to justify this problem we face, we simply do not have. How some manage to miss the impact of recent legislation is beyond me. The process you speak of now is a mere shadow of what it once was for it has been rewired while the people were sleeping.

Good luck to repealing. Good luck to stopping agency regulation and funding. The people are now attempting to fight a fight that they cannot win inside of the methods they now attempt to use.

[drjarhead]

Originally Posted by javelin

The process you speak of now is a mere shadow of what it once was...

The people are now attempting to fight a fight that they cannot win inside of the methods they now attempt to use.

+1

It was not that long ago that our elected officials would not have considered going against the will of the American People. Now they do so with scarcely an afterthought. Something has changed drastically. The System is corrupted and pre-empts the Will of the People.

But we will fight the good fight and in 40 or 50 years we'll have our freedoms back...

LMAO

[Mandaree36]

Originally Posted by javelin

Understood yet the very process you speak of leads to that same end. I mean lets not kid ourselves here. Lets look at the truth of this matter. In the past 100 years there has not been a leader of the people, for the people nor by the people. Some may have come closer than others yet there is not one.

The lesser of two evils is how we came to be here more than the lack of participation within the process. The real issue is that the people have been asleep for too long taking part in the process that they do not understand.

The key lay within the hands of the people. Yet the time needed to justify this problem we face, we simply do not have. How some manage to miss the impact of recent legislation is beyond me. The process you speak of now is a mere shadow of what it once was for it has been rewired while the people were sleeping.

Good luck to repealing. Good luck to stopping agency regulation and funding. The people are now attempting to fight a fight that they cannot win inside of the methods they now attempt to use.

So whats the alternative...

Revolution - and armed men in power - men who will be corrupted by absolute power.

Dictatorship everytime the vote does not go ones way?

That is the logical end that many cannot see when they advocate cleaning house and gallows applications.

Our system is only faulty when we the people expect less, give less and sit it out...when we get involved en masse - then you have something.

I would rather have a system of government that does allow for the righting of the ship then nothing.

As for the proces - it is as it has been - the only shadow is the one caused by the absent voters over the last decades...the same absent voters who dont bother to make clear what they want in their country and who send forth men and women who want the same.

In all honesty this does remind me of Curious George and his approach to Iraq....glory to the effort......with no thought as to what happens at the end when the shooting stops...

[Geist762]

O is Bush's Yard Gnome...er uh, the other one.

[javelin]

Originally Posted by Mandaree36

So whats the alternative...

Revolution - and armed men in power - men who will be corrupted by absolute power.

Dictatorship everytime the vote does not go ones way?

That is the logical end that many cannot see when they advocate cleaning house and gallows applications.

Our system is only faulty when we the people expect less, give less and sit it out...when we get involved en masse - then you have something.

I would rather have a system of government that does allow for the righting of the ship then nothing.

As for the proces - it is as it has been - the only shadow is the one caused by the absent voters over the last decades...the same absent voters who dont bother to make clear what they want in their country and who send forth men and women who want the same.

In all honesty this does remind me of Curious George and his approach to Iraq....glory to the effort......with no thought as to what happens at the end when the shooting stops...

Actually no... I would advise to stop listening to Republican idiots or those who claim to be non partisain and say they are Constitutionalists. Right now it really pisses me off that the Republicans are attempting to co-opt who the real Constitutionalists are in an effort to just get elected again...

You want the real solution? IF WE HAD THE TIME! I say it in caps with an exclamation point for the purpose of emphasizing it not screaming at anyone. Yet if we had the time, this nation must forget the political spectrum altogether and instead turn within to our own families. Go back to God, raise our children properly. Take back control of our communities and education systems. Take back control of parents rights. These are fights we could win on a local level.

The sickness with people today is that they look for a Federal election to solve problems. Our founders would say "Shame on you!"

The system was designed to work locally first within city and county, then state and the Federal was the after thought.

People have been programmed to turn this country on its head and believe that the asses run this place. It is not so.

Fix the foundation, you fix the whole problem. It is that simple.

Yet if I may say Mandaree. I have no desire to see civil war or revolution. Yet the side that claims to be for peace, your side seeking to move the nation through the elections, are the ones that will certainly bring war upon us. You cannot trust a politician. You cannot trust the system as it stands. You say you have no choice just as many out there in the public claim. Yet the majority of people out there in the public refuse to look at truth. The more they fight, the more polarized we become and the more dramatic the efforts of each side. The very efforts at play now, the very agendas in motion now, without the foundation of God within our society to bring us together and stand upon principles will bring us to the very war you seek to avoid.

Why are so many so blind?

I must do nothing to but wait for the inevitable, sadly. People want to say that those who do not participate are part of the problem. How can that be since they are not part of the workings of what has taken this nation to where it is? I look to those moms going to PTA meetings demanding thier rights, proper education and so forth to be the front line. Not the sick pathetic elections.

Participation is a matter of perspective. If you are fighting for a political ends then you will achieve a politicians desire for your life and you have no reason to complain for the outcome. If you are fighting for our future and that of our children then fight in the battlefield where our children are, then you change the nation, not a political system. So which will it be?

[bigwheel]

" If you lie to Congress it's a crime
If Congress lies to you , it's politics "

unknown.

[Mandaree36]

Originally Posted by javelin

Actually no... I would advise to stop listening to Republican idiots or those who claim to be non partisain and say they are Constitutionalists. Right now it really pisses me off that the Republicans are attempting to co-opt who the real Constitutionalists are in an effort to just get elected again...

Both parties would love to cozy up to the disenchanted that have now taken up arms against big government and the bastardizing of this country - but dont be upset - they are being rejected in large part and the rest are doing what the snakes do...changing their speeches to meet the times.

But is that bad if they learn to sit up and beg...to walk the new old school line.

I say perhaps not.

You want the real solution? IF WE HAD THE TIME! I say it in caps with an exclamation point for the purpose of emphasizing it not screaming at anyone. Yet if we had the time, this nation must forget the political spectrum altogether and instead turn within to our own families. Go back to God, raise our children properly. Take back control of our communities and education systems. Take back control of parents rights. These are fights we could win on a local level.

But it cannot end there - the local level is where government was supposed to take place - the federal government was to be kept small and limited in the day to day lives of Americans. Winning local and sending in candidates who understand the original concept is key - this government can work - if not twisted.

The sickness with people today is that they look for a Federal election to solve problems. Our founders would say "Shame on you!"

Our founders would say shame on all of us - we all allowed this, our uninvolvement has brought this blight on us. For too long we went along, too consumed with our lives and blind as to what was happening to our freedoms.

The system was designed to work locally first within city and county, then state and the Federal was the after thought.

Yes it was - and to that end there are now many states trying to take back powers. I for one did not hope for such an outcome - but it is upon us and a sign. People say nothing is changing...they are wrong and worse uninvolved. They need to stand up for states taking back control and demand the same.

People have been programmed to turn this country on its head and believe that the asses run this place. It is not so.

That was so - again look at the states now standing up. I call that an awakening.

Fix the foundation, you fix the whole problem. It is that simple.

Agreed

Yet if I may say Mandaree. I have no desire to see civil war or revolution. Yet the side that claims to be for peace, your side seeking to move the nation through the elections, are the ones that will certainly bring war upon us. You cannot trust a politician. You cannot trust the system as it stands. You say you have no choice just as many out there in the public claim. Yet the majority of people out there in the public refuse to look at truth. The more they fight, the more polarized we become and the more dramatic the efforts of each side. The very efforts at play now, the very agendas in motion now, without the foundation of God within our society to bring us together and stand upon principles will bring us to the very war you seek to avoid.

And the counter motion is also in play and growing. Growing by leaps and bounds and the brothers and sisters you meet at Tea Party events carrying signs today are the same ones who will be there when other things need be carried.

All I am saying is I am concerned about the very real fallout...the very real repercusions. There are two ways to change the system. Choice is important right now.

Why are so many so blind?

They are not - they are waking up everyday....

I must do nothing to but wait for the inevitable, sadly. People want to say that those who do not participate are part of the problem. How can that be since they are not part of the workings of what has taken this nation to where it is? I look to those moms going to PTA meetings demanding thier rights, proper education and so forth to be the front line. Not the sick pathetic elections.

Because if you see wrong and look the other way than you have done nothing to change it. And lets be honest our uninvolvement does make us complicit in this.

As for elections on all levels - the same moms and dads are now there - demanding rights and demanding accountability - that is as noble and true as PTA's or anything else...also...it will be as effective.

Participation is a matter of perspective. If you are fighting for a political ends then you will achieve a politicians desire for your life and you have no reason to complain for the outcome. If you are fighting for our future and that of our children then fight in the battlefield where our children are, then you change the nation, not a political system. So which will it be?

The problem is......the battlefield is everywhere now....you either fight across the board and dont fight.

The fight, the awakening...thats what changes nations - not the sitting, the complaing and the trying to pick the perfect battlefield...in doing so you might win a battle or two...but you will lose the war...

Just my two..

[javelin]

Originally Posted by Mandaree36

The problem is......the battlefield is everywhere now....you either fight across the board and dont fight.

The fight, the awakening...thats what changes nations - not the sitting, the complaing and the trying to pick the perfect battlefield...in doing so you might win a battle or two...but you will lose the war...

First let me state that I do respect your opinions Mandaree. I may not know you but your reputation here is recognized and that is enough for me. Secondly, I do not mean to give the impression that I believe no one should be engauged within the political element. I am trying to touch on something that is more difficult to put into words and I am really incapable.

At times things are said here that are to the point and true yet they do not go into the full context of what draws out that belief or position.

I look at the section which I have quoted from you above and it causes me to fear our future. Why?

Sun Tzu spoke of the necessity to place conditions upon what would determine a victory. To this end I have seen no conditions placed by the people even in general terms. They may list principles and values they want to see, they may speak of elections to win, they may decide to claim to be non partisian yet all these are battles as you have said.

My line of thinking lends to the end victory or rather the conditions for it. As we have both agreed it lay within the people. Yet the necessary conditions are far greater than a political end. The battlefield may be everywhere yet where we focus our emphasis will show what we truly believe and where our resources will be spent.

Miyamoto Musashi stated that one should not do anything which is of no value or purpose. In this battlefield I fear that we are fighting for the battle and not the war. The same mistakes made before.

The truth is that you and I both know to what ends this will lead to. I said that those who think as you do are leading us into the path of war. A study of history would prove that my objectives would do the same. As John Adams stated that the Revolution was not the war. The war was the effect of the revolution which took place within the minds of men from the 1760's.

You are right, choices are important. Yet the Tea Party at this moment I fear are not prepared. They may have the knowledge but I question if they have the heart for what is to come. Perhaps this is why I place the emphasis where I do. Without the right foundation this nation will not stand. I fear the people have gathered for a political ends. Our founders gathered for a spiritual end. These are two very different roads which lead to two very different places. The conditions of victory are clear within one while the other is a shifting tide.

From where I sit, it is not what the people see that they should fear. It is what they do not understand and have forgotten which will kill them. This is a very dangerous time.

[mr1usnr]

Amen! brother!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I only voted Republican not anymore! Bush and the politicians say send our troops to Mideast to protect us but let 100,000 run across our Southern boader, protect American right!

Originally Posted by javelin

First, no it was not the politicians that ran this place into the ground. Sorry, but its true. Who is to blame? The people of the United States for being lethargic and complacent. Politicians do what politicians do, gather power and regulate.

Having said that, the Tea Party will fix nothing and Nov will have no effect other than to lul those that are supposedly "awake" back to sleep. Politicians will still be bought out by the many Unions and organizations under Tides and others. Politicians will still be sucked into the power vaccumme that takes place as a Jr senator having little to no effect whatsoever.

There are NO CONSTITUTIONAL CANDIDATES out there that I can see. Oh yeah they may claim it... but hey I have heard these lines before such as...

"Read my lips, No new taxes..."

"I didnt have sex with that woman..."

"Weapons of mass destruction...."

"Hope and Change...."

So whats new? They can kiss my ass while I buy another 1k rounds of ammo because in the end they will do nothing for me, you or anyone else. I have lost all faith, trust and reverence for our government on all levels.

What blows my mind is how many times people swollow the lies and keep running back for more. Einstien said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

So who is the crazy one?

[Mandaree36]

Originally Posted by javelin

From where I sit, it is not what the people see that they should fear. It is what they do not understand and have forgotten which will kill them. This is a very dangerous time.

Yes these are dangerous times indeed.

Whichever course is taken matters little for the immeadiate future looks bleak.