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Old 03-02-2010, 07:17 PM   #1
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Old 03-02-2010, 07:35 PM   #2
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this makes me wonder if anyone here has successfully shot more than 1000 rounds through his Lancaster Ak 74?
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I dont know, and it may be just my eyes as I am getting older, but those look like .223 rounds to me.

Look at the loaded mag on the bench at the beginning and the ones smoky joe is handling through out the vid.

Could be wrong but those dont look like any 5.45 I shoot.
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I dont think 223 would even chamber...though I could be wrong. My first impression was to try different ammo.
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I tried 2 ammo types and they are 5.45x39mm Silver Bear ammo. Its on the table. Do they make .223 steel cased?

Edit: They do make steel cased .223. Damn. Well the brand new 5.45box of shells I bought from 2 different places must have been mismarked 5.45 and not .223/5.56! Those tricky shooting supply stores!

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Yes they do. Check the case for markings to confirm you were shooting 545. I wouldn't put it past Rusky quality control to mix things up lol.

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I tried 2 ammo types and they are 5.45x39mm Silver Bear ammo. Its on the table. Do they make .223 steel cased?
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Old 03-02-2010, 08:14 PM   #7
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Yes they do. Check the case for markings to confirm you were shooting 545. I wouldn't put it past Rusky quality control to mix things up lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08WvM...eature=related For my ammo used also tried Milsurp.
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Do these have USA barrels? If so check how the ammo seats in the chamber.
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Old 03-02-2010, 08:27 PM   #9
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Do these have USA barrels? If so check how the ammo seats in the chamber.
The bolt inconsistantly either closes all the way or is open about an inch or so from the trunion. No real rhyme or reason. If it closes all the way there is no hope of extraction with case intact. The barrel might me too narrow at the trunion??? I dont know what it is doing. And yes, US barrel.
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Old 03-02-2010, 08:30 PM   #10
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for sale 1 slightly used bullet opener.
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I only have surplus span can 5.45x39 ammo, yet the case looks like 5.45 the bullet does look like .223.

The 5.45 ammo I have fills the ((21)) magazine opening front to back with little space to spare. A .223 Wolf fills the same((21)) magazine opening with little space to spare.

Black_Wolf observation is probably correct.

You will need to mic the OD of the bullets so to tell the difference.

Could the ammo be mixed up with the wrong size bullets?
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I tried 2 ammo types and they are 5.45x39mm Silver Bear ammo. Its on the table. Do they make .223 steel cased?

Edit: They do make steel cased .223. Damn. Well the brand new 5.45box of shells I bought from 2 different places must have been mismarked 5.45 and not .223/5.56! Those tricky shooting supply stores!


Have you tried some of the surplus shit yet?

As short as those are I'm surprised you havent had feed probs with the nose jamming on the throat chamfer
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There are a number of things to check.

Strip the rifle down, including the FCG. Insert a round into the chamber and observe whether is it seated properly, it shoudl not stick out of the chamber very far, only enough for the extractor to grab the rim. If it sticks out of the chamber there may be burrs on the chamber surface.

Check and see how the bolt rotates into battery with a cartridge. It should rotate into battery without much resistance. Also, check the camming surfaces on the bolt and carrier to check for undue wear or manufacturing errors.

Again, do this with the FCG removed. Dont chamber a round with the FCG in the rifle for safety reasons.
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Old 03-02-2010, 08:37 PM   #14
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Okay....I will make a video of me opening an unopened box of 5.45x39mm. I knew there would be something lost in internet translation of the situation. I assure you, IT IS 5.45x39mm.
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Old 03-02-2010, 08:38 PM   #15
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Nevermind.

I just read where you DID try milsurp.

Fuck it. Send the POS back.

You shouldnt be having probs like this with a new rifle.

Even if you cleared it up I wouldnt want it if it were me.
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Old 03-02-2010, 08:40 PM   #16
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Okay....I will make a video of me opening an unopened box of 5.45x39mm. I knew there would be something lost in internet translation of the situation. I assure you, IT IS 5.45x39mm.

Naw, I'm following you, dont bother.

Sounds like a FUBAR to me.

Ditch the bitch.
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Correct me if I am wrong but I think the box of 5.45 ammo comes with 30 rounds and the .223 has only 20 rounds.

Could a pack of 20 rounds of .223 mistakenly might have been put in to a box of 5.45 ammo?

There is a mention about a "New bullet style" here

http://www.jgsales.com/index.php/amm...39/cPath/12_37
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Old 03-02-2010, 09:08 PM   #18
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Atlantic just emailed me so hopefully I can exchange it! Wish me luck! I dont know if all the Lancasters are like this, but scared me a little.
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Old 03-02-2010, 09:20 PM   #19
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I only have surplus span can 5.45x39 ammo, yet the case looks like 5.45 the bullet does look like .223.

The 5.45 ammo I have fills the ((21)) magazine opening front to back with little space to spare. A .223 Wolf fills the same((21)) magazine opening with little space to spare.

Black_Wolf observation is probably correct.

You will need to mic the OD of the bullets so to tell the difference.

Could the ammo be mixed up with the wrong size bullets?

I'm going to get a box of that silver bearshit and run a mic over one of them compared to the surp stuff.


Does not look like an improvement to me...so far.
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silver bearshit
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Old 03-02-2010, 09:34 PM   #21
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Here is one brand of the ammo Silver Bearshit as he called it LOL. 3 unopened boxes all the same size in 30 rounds NOT 5.56! $8 per box locally so yeah, I got fuched on that too. The milsurp is Russian marked 5.45mm stuff that is corrosive. Shot that the other day, and only opened one shell out of 25. So a little better. Here is the barrel opening and scarring. Enjoy! Thanks for the help though guys.
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Here is one brand of the ammo Silver Bearshit as he called it LOL. 3 unopened boxes all the same size in 30 rounds NOT 5.56! $8 per box locally so yeah, I got fuched on that too. The milsurp is Russian marked 5.45mm stuff that is corrosive. Shot that the other day, and only opened one shell out of 25. So a little better. Here is the barrel opening and scarring. Enjoy! Thanks for the help though guys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZysKNd2kADA

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Dig the vid.

"This is a box of the silver bearshit. This is what it looks like unopened."

Looks like you got an out of spec barrel. Some of them would get seated far enough to engage the locking lugs and fire but would jam so bad the ejector would break em off

Yep, send that thing back and keep fingers crossed on the next one.

8 bucks a box in IND? Where?

I get Wolf, Silver Bear, Tiger up around lake mich and its like 4.50 a box

Thats ridiculous.
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Newburgh, which is basically Evansville. The one good thing about today was I found a public free rifle range. 25,50,100,200 yard lanes. Always empty, always dirty, always fun. So looks like I am out of the gun club
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Newburgh, which is basically Evansville. The one good thing about today was I found a public free rifle range. 25,50,100,200 yard lanes. Always empty, always dirty, always fun. So looks like I am out of the gun club

Damn, thats expensive for southern Ind.

Think I would get it online and stop picking up the local silver bearshit
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Old 03-02-2010, 10:16 PM   #25
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Thats where I got the milsurp, but trying to save most of it for this summer. Just thought I would shoot it one afternoon after work so picked some up at hunting store I go to.
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One thing for sure, if you could get a smith to cut/ream the throat of the chamber just right.
you will end up with a accuracy oriented chamber. The closer the bullet chambers to the rifling usually translate to tighter groups .

On another note, I wonder how well that Silver Bearshit 5.45x39 ammo will run in a Saiga without a bullet guide and a 5.45 30rd surplus magazine.

My point is that since the Silver Bearshit 5.45 ammo bullet is shorter there might be a transition problem when the bullet is on it's way to the chamber from a surplus magazine. Can you say bullet pushed in to the case syndrome.

If so then maybe the Russians are trying to eliminate the capability of using surplus 30rd magazines in the 5.45 Saiga sporter without a bullet guide.

I happen to have one of this Saigas in 5.45x39 without a bullet guide.
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Just checked your vid. Thats your problem, send that piece of shit back.
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"I happen to have one of this Saigas in 5.45x39 without a bullet guide."
Do those work with 30 round ak74 mags?
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the saiga w/o bullet guide is a 100 series (3rd rivet on L side) and designed to feed from magazine w/o bullet guide. I assume so they can use the same trunion for all three calibers.

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Thats the vibe I got from Lancaster when I started searching for warranty related information.
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"I happen to have one of this Saigas in 5.45x39 without a bullet guide."
Do those work with 30 round ak 74 mags?
Yes they do. The Saiga does not need to be physically modified to take the AK 74 magazines, yet it needs to be 922r complaint to legally use the larger capacity magazines.

My Saiga 5.45x39 runs like a champ with the surplus AK 74 30rd magazines. So far I have shot about 300 + rounds with out a hiccup .

Keep in mind all I have shot so far is span can mil. surplus ammo, I wonder how that Silver bearshit short bullet will feed .
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I had problems with my lancaster, but I have to say they had the best customer service(not the fastest) I've dealt with in a firearms company. They straight up gave me a new gun took a while but...

And it wouldn't surprise me if you didn't ruin the gun by putting the wrong/bastard ammo in there, because that my friend is not 5.45x39.



The one on the top is .223 the one on the bottom is 5.45

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I had problems with my lancaster, but I have to say they had the best customer service(not the fastest) I've dealt with in a firearms company. They straight up gave me a new gun took a while but...

And it wouldn't surprise me if you didn't ruin the gun by putting the wrong/bastard ammo in there, because that my friend is not 5.45x39.



The one on the top is .223 the one on the bottom is 5.45

He had the the right ammo.

Watch the vid. He's pulling brand new 5.45 right out of unopened boxes.

The barrel throat is out of spec.
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He had the the right ammo.

Watch the vid. He's pulling brand new 5.45 right out of unopened boxes.

The barrel throat is out of spec.

That's completely possible.

But the ammo he was using and pulling out of the 5.45x39 box looks nothing like any 5.45x39 i've ever seen and certainly not like silverbear 5.45x39 that is posted in that picture.

I'm suggesting faulty ammo may have had something to do with it.

I shoot silverbear 5.45x39 all the time, and I would not put that stubby looking ammo into my gun.
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That's completely possible.

But the ammo he was using and pulling out of the 5.45x39 box looks nothing like any 5.45x39 i've ever seen and certainly not like silverbear 5.45x39 that is posted in that picture.

I'm suggesting faulty ammo may have had something to do with it.

I shoot silverbear 5.45x39 all the time, and I would not put that stubby looking ammo into my gun.

Yeah its some new type of bearshit that has what they claim as an improved/new bullet.

I'll find a link to the crap. BRB.
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