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Old 01-09-2010, 06:24 PM   #1
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Default Is a Bayonet legal to have on a rifle?

I've had people tell me it was a felony to put a bayonet on my ak, Is this true? It seems silly to me!! Why would it be illegal?
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Depends on the state. And I agree, seems silly to me too. The knife on the end of a rifle thing.

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Some rifles cannot and those fall under 922r. Due a google search or you can search here gunsmithing, I think. There is a sticky here somewhere on 922r.
Bottom line is if it is a pre '89 weapon, or if it is legally manufactured with a bayo lug it should be fine.

That is under Federal Law, as I understand it, though.

Your state and local laws may cover some other aspect of it so it depends on where you live, I suppose.
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Depends on the state. And I agree, seems silly to me too. The knife on the end of a rifle thing.

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FWIW, bayonets were recently used by the Brits in Afghanistan. Pretty badass if you ask me. The Lt. who ordered them said he did it for 'motivation' but ended up using on one or two of the enemy.

Yeah, I can fucking see how that would be motivational.

Oohrah.

Fuckin' ay.
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Just dont let the regulator of all things pointy and sharp see you. The Knife Czar will be on you like Oprah on a canned ham.
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Some rifles cannot and those fall under 922r. Due a google search or you can search here gunsmithing, I think. There is a sticky here somewhere on 922r.
Bottom line is if it is a pre '89 weapon, or if it is legally manufactured with a bayo lug it should be fine.

That is under Federal Law, as I understand it, though.

Your state and local laws may cover some other aspect of it so it depends on where you live, I suppose.
You are referring to the "bayonet lugs", not the bayonet itself.

If the weapon is 922r compliant or old enough to be "grandfathered", it can have a bayo lug (and bayonet).
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You are referring to the "bayonet lugs", not the bayonet itself.

If the weapon is 922r compliant or old enough to be "grandfathered", it can have a bayo lug (and bayonet).
Its on a romanian 10/63 that has the bayonet lug ground off. I made a devise that hangs from the cleaning rod around the old bayonet lug to attach a bayonet.
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If it's 922r compliant and you're not in a ban state, it's quite legal.
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Bayonets and bayonet lugs have nothing to do with 922r which relates to countable imported parts on a firearm.
The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban restricted certain features (bayonet lugs being one) on firearms that were considered assault weapons. The Ban expired in 2004.
Your state laws are the only restriction on bayonets or lugs., if any. Perhaps California or New York etc. Dunno for sure on state laws.
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Bayonets and bayonet lugs have nothing to do with 922r which relates to countable imported parts on a firearm.
The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban restricted certain features (bayonet lugs being one) on firearms that were considered assault weapons. The Ban expired in 2004.
Your state laws are the only restriction on bayonets or lugs., if any. Perhaps California or New York etc. Dunno for sure on state laws.
. . Not to get off into the nitty-gritty, but 922r is concerned with "non importable" firearms.

You have to look at what a "non importable firearm" is to tie it in with 922r.

Needless to say, bayonet lugs are one of the "evil features" that makes a gun unimportable. Ergo, if it's 922r compliant, you can have all those "evil features' that would make it "non importable"


Folks in states with AWBs are just SOL.
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AFAIK.,
922r deals with domestic assembly of firearms. 1994 law and 98 changes.

The 1989 ban deals with imported rifles and the subject features such as bayo lugs, mag capacity and such. C&R regulatiins trump some of the laws description of non-importable parts as long as the weapon is in as imported condition. Yes, 922r could kick in at that time (mod of C&R or sporter) but bayo lugs would not be an issue.
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AFAIK.,
922r deals with domestic assembly of firearms. 1994 law and 98 changes.

The 1989 ban deals with imported rifles and the subject features such as bayo lugs, mag capacity and such. C&R regulatiins trump some of the laws description of non-importable parts as long as the weapon is in as imported condition. Yes, 922r could kick in at that time (mod of C&R or sporter) but bayo lugs would not be an issue.
'89 ban was an executive order signed by Bush Sr. that essentially enforced 922r provisions of the 1968 Gun Control Act.

922r most definitely applies to the case discussed here unless it is a preban weapon.

922r applies to all 'nonsporting weapons' regulating how many foreign parts they can have and still have evil features. This is why MAK90s (post '89 ban) cannot have evil features without domestic part changes to keep the number of foreign parts (those specified in 922r) at 10 or less.

What I said in my first post was correct though I probably didn't word it as well as I'd have liked. It is all convoluted and complicated with all the various laws and when the guns were manufactured, local v state v federal etc.

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922 (r)
The Imported Parts Law(1990)
178.39 otherwise known as 922(r) 10 Foreign parts law on semiauto Rifles & Shotguns
http://www.atf.treas.gov/regulations/27cfr178.html
Sec. 178.39 Assembly of semiautomatic rifles or shotguns.
(a) No person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun using more than 10 of the imported parts listed in paragraph (c) of this section if the assembled firearm is prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes.
(b) The provisions of this section shall not apply to:
(1) The assembly of such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution
by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or any department or agency thereof or to any State or any department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or
(2) The assembly of such rifle or shotgun for the purposes of
testing or experimentation authorized by the Director under the
provisions of Sec. 178.151; or
(3) The repair of any rifle or shotgun which had been imported into or assembled in the United States prior to November 30, 1990, or the replacement of any part of such firearm.
(c) For purposes of this section, the term imported parts are:

(1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings
(2) Barrels
(3) Barrel extensions
(4) Mounting blocks (trunions)
(5) Muzzle attachments
(6) Bolts
(7) Bolt carriers
(8) Operating rods
(9) Gas pistons
(10) Trigger housings
(11) Triggers
(12) Hammers
(13) Sears
(14) Disconnectors
(15) Buttstocks
(16) Pistol grips
(17) Forearms, handguards
(18) Magazine bodies
(19) Followers
(20) Floorplates

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According to gamblin's profile, he is from MS.

I always thought MS had pretty lax gun laws so it sounds like bullshit to me. There are a lot of people out there who think they know the gun laws but don't know a damn thing. Unfortunately, that often includes FFLs and LE.

I've heard enough BS spewed about gun laws at gunstores and gunshows to fertilize half of my state.

It would be good to know exactly what it is you are putting it on, or planning to, but if it has a legal bayo lug you are probably good to go.

There are sites you can check MS law on the topic. Just do a google on MS gunlaws, bayonets, etc.

If your rifle has 10 or less foreign parts and has a lug you should be fine as far as Federal Law goes.
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djarhead,
I went back and looked at the original post. I agree. I overlooked the part about a ground bayo lug and a mod to fit a bayo. Deviation from the imprrt regs. as is modifyung a C&R etc. My bad. I was assuming a legal full 922r AKM as are most recent builds and full accweptablre to have bayo lug etc.
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djarhead,
I went back and looked at the original post. I agree. I overlooked the part about a ground bayo lug and a mod to fit a bayo. Deviation from the imprrt regs. as is modifyung a C&R etc. My bad. I was assuming a legal full 922r AKM as are most recent builds and full accweptablre to have bayo lug etc.
Yeah, it seems fairly abitrary and ridiculous.

I've been looking at this sort of thing on the internet for 10 years now so I've seen it beat back and forth a lot of different ways. I'm sure not a lawyer and it is tough to explain in one paragraph.

Gamblin simply needs to make certain there are enough US manufactured parts prior to putting a bayo or lug on it.
If there are enough US manuf parts he can find a new gasblock and FSB to replace.

It would probably be easier right now to just find a new rifle in the no-ban category. The prices are the best I've seen for some time. There are some sweet deals out there right now.
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Would a bayo be a "muzzle attachment"?

I'm being serious,I never thought of it until this thread.
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Would a bayo be a "muzzle attachment"?

I'm being serious,I never thought of it until this thread.
No. Each is a separate EVIL feature.
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Would a bayo be a "muzzle attachment"?

I'm being serious,I never thought of it until this thread.
Not in any way, shape or form.
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Not in any way, shape or form.
Technically what I done is not a bayonet lug. But it will hold the bayonet on the rifle correctly. Being that I did not make a bayonet lug it should be legal. As for the 922 compliance, I have enough US parts to be legal.
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Technically what I done is not a bayonet lug. But it will hold the bayonet on the rifle correctly. Being that I did not make a bayonet lug it should be legal. As for the 922 compliance, I have enough US parts to be legal.
Anything that attaches your bayonet is the same. period.

However, if you are okay under 922r, you should be okay to attach a bayonet.

Again, I am not an attorney...but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night!
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Where I live, local law will not bother you. You can do almost anything, LOL. Its the surprise visit from the FEDS that worry me. I never seen any around here though.
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Here what I heard from my FFL guy. He said is legal to have bayonet lug and bayonet. But you canít have the bayonet attracted to the rifle while you are in public, like gun range, on hunting ground, and etc.
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Here what I heard from my FFL guy. He said is legal to have bayonet lug and bayonet. But you canít have the bayonet attracted to the rifle while you are in public, like gun range, on hunting ground, and etc.
FFL holders have been known to spin a yarn, or two.

The one you refer to is spinning you a good one.
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Old 01-15-2010, 03:36 PM   #24
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Please also note, no one has ever been convicted of a 922r violation. AFAIK, no one's ever been charged either. I beleive if it were ever to be used, it would be as an enhancement on top of other possible charges.....
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