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Old 01-29-2005, 06:26 AM   #1
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Default What's the best 7.62x39 ammo?

How do you like the stuff you're shooting? I don't mind paying a little more for the good stuff. And I want to stay clear of the bad stuff.
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Old 01-29-2005, 10:14 AM   #2
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Honestly, I've never really heard of "bad" 7.62X39 ammo other than some of the older stuff may be corrosive. The absolute best I have ever personally shot is the old copper washed Norinco steel and lead core stuff. If only we could get more......
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Old 01-29-2005, 10:40 AM   #3
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What KernelKrink said. I have read a lot of people reporting poor accuracy with the Wolf ammo.
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Old 01-29-2005, 06:01 PM   #4
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I like Bear, Barnaul, and Ulyanovsk. But I would settle for anything but Wolf.
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Old 01-30-2005, 06:51 PM   #5
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Okay, stay away from Wolf.
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Old 01-30-2005, 09:13 PM   #6
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Golden Tiger or brown bear is good ammo stay away from Wolf
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Old 01-30-2005, 11:30 PM   #7
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My Saiga really loves the Barnaul.
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Old 02-04-2005, 10:51 PM   #8
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I own 2 Arsenal SAM-7 and one SAM-7S rifles and the only ammo that I shoot in them is Cheetah from Vector Arms. It is brass cased and non-corrosive. I do not care for steel case ammo. I can only guess that the force required to extract the steel case from the chamber would be higher than that on the softer brass case. This would would put a higher load on the extractor claw. AK's have large, tough extractor claws, but why make put more stress on it if that can be avoided with brass case ammo?

I like doing business with Vector, anyway. It is a great company. You can save money if you but 3 cases at a time.

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http://www.vectorarms.com/indexframe.html
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Old 02-14-2005, 05:22 AM   #9
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For ammo prices, what are usually/typically the rank order from cheapest to most expensive?
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Old 02-16-2005, 07:12 PM   #10
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I see that Wolf is almost always the cheapest. I hear it is the low quality stuff.
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For ammo prices, what are usually/typically the rank order from cheapest to most expensive?
Here is a good starting point for your question.
http://www.aimsurplus.com/index.html
http://www.ammoman.com/
http://ammunitionstore.com/index.htm
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/
http://www.dansammo.com/
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Old 02-18-2005, 03:44 PM   #12
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I prefer Barnaul. Wolf is 2d, Russian other brands 3d, Chinese absolutely LAST!
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Old 02-27-2005, 08:05 PM   #13
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Thanks for the ammo vendor links.
Mostly we've been talking about foreign commercial ammo; Barnaul, the Bears, Cheetah, Wolf, etc. I also hear that Wolf is underpowered showing as lower bullet strikes than other brands.
So how are the foreign military surplus stuff? Anyone care to rank-order the available stuff?
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Anyone care to rank-order the available stuff?
AK guys in general don't seem to get hung up on any specific ammo, like say AR guys. It is hard to take in all the info available on the 5.56 round. Testing every brand in every gun, framentation, performance in different twist rates, etc etc etc. AK guys seem to buy just whatever is the cheapest. I'm sure that has something to do with both the rifles potential and the potential of the cheap surplus ammo.

Someone on http://www.ak47.net/ did do some backyard test of several types of ammo. IIRC the US produced 7.62x39 shot the best. However it also cost over 2X as much. I think the Wolf got the worst grouping. I buy the cheapest FMJ surplus ammo available.

This does not really answer your question but may help explain the lack of others answering it.
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Old 02-28-2005, 01:22 AM   #15
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In my Soviet style pistols I use Barnaul. It is reliable and clean burning. It's also cheaper than most. I think I'll stick with it for my AK also.


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Old 03-03-2005, 11:34 AM   #16
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I did notice that there is some Yugo brass cased ammo available from a few vendors. It's also on stripper clips. Has anyone shot this??


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Old 03-03-2005, 07:42 PM   #17
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AK guys in general don't seem to get hung up on any specific ammo,
Ahhhhhh! I see.
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Old 03-06-2005, 09:14 PM   #18
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I did notice that there is some Yugo brass cased ammo available from a few vendors. It's also on stripper clips. Has anyone shot this??


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The Yugo stuff shoots great, although I understand its corrosive. The best 7.62x39 ammo I've come across is the Finnish Lapua. It's a bit pricey, but well worth it. I also bought some of the Portuguese stuff. I haven't shot any of it yet. It comes in 200rd sealed battle packs, copper cased and re-loadable.

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Old 03-07-2005, 07:03 PM   #19
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The Finnish Lapua 7.62x39 gave me the best accuracy in my NHM-91,there was some hungarian stuff imported a few years ago that wasnt bad either but havent seen anyone with any of this stuff in a long time.last price i remember on Lapua 7.62x39 was 24 bucks a 100 and that was in 94-95.
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Old 03-11-2005, 01:16 PM   #20
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well i shoot the wolf ammo; ( its not real accurate, but it works)

the bears not bad either but i got this kind from a yard sale a while ago,
(it was a millitary issue sale you could say) this guys dad was in the marines and he died so he sold all kinds fo stuff.

>ill look at it some time and tell ya what kind it is!
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Old 03-11-2005, 03:40 PM   #21
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Has anyone here tried the Silver Bear Match grade stuff with the little nipple on the nose? I've seen it pretty cheap, and if it shoots better than the wolf crap I'm currently using I'd pop for a case..
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Old 03-12-2005, 04:54 AM   #22
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picked up a mess of the silver bear "match 8M1 "effect" 124 grain" for cheap from a fellow who needed tuition money. the tit seems to have an off set hollow (anyone remember the off set bores on barrels about 25 years ago?)that is supposed to give the effect of a hollow point on impact(projectile inversion?).I thought it gave good performance out of my wasr at 100 yds.,didnt check it in my norinco yet.spent 80 rnds on a stave silo against my buddy using wolf,my penetration was better, and we were dodging his slipped jackets!further input on this ammo please.
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Old 03-12-2005, 11:27 AM   #23
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Bought some Bosnian for $60 per 1260 rds last weekend. Corrosive, but I can clean it.
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Old 03-12-2005, 06:56 PM   #24
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The Bosnian stuff seems to shoot quite well in my SKS, Norinco and PMKMS.
Wierd deal is that the PMKMS and SKS shoot it REALLY well and have tighter groups than the Russian hollowpoints I've been using. The Norinco AKS seems to like steel clad projos, but then it always did.

Now if I could just find some Bosnian hollow points....
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Old 03-12-2005, 08:49 PM   #25
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There is nothing wrong with Wolf ammo.

Wolf is reliable, safe, non corrosive, cheap, and will not damage your weapon.

No reason whatsoever to "stay away" from Wolf products period.


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So far, none of the ammo is reported unsafe. That's good.

Quite a few persons have told me that Wolf is okay, but has less velocity, and bullet impact is lower. It usually is cheaper.

I bought some Russian ammo at a gunshow just last weekend. Haven't shot it yet, though. It has a small hollow point.
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Old 03-13-2005, 05:10 PM   #27
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There is nothing wrong with Wolf ammo.

Wolf is reliable, safe, non corrosive, cheap, and will not damage your weapon.

No reason whatsoever to "stay away" from Wolf products period.


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I have shot thousands of rounds of Russian ammo. Wolf is the only brand I have used that is NOT reliable. I have had duds in every case I've fired.
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I have shot thousands of rounds of Russian ammo. Wolf is the only brand I have used that is NOT reliable. I have had duds in every case I've fired.
BulGARYan,

Was it the laquer or the polymer-cased ammo you had problems with?

How many falilures per 1000? For ammo priced at 8cents a round, I'd still call 90-95% success pretty reliable unless they were squibs, bulged cases/primers, splits or worse.

What was the failure? No fire, hang fire, squib, etc?

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Old 03-14-2005, 02:55 AM   #29
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I have shot my fair share of wolf.For the price,,I aint gonna bitch,when I have the rare miss fire ,I cycle it manually, and continue(good practice on dud round clearance),but I saved my duds and tried them again and they always went off the second time.
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The Wolf I used was polymer. I had about six no-fires per case with the 7.62 and four with the 5.45. Since I can get 100% reliability from the other brands that are the same price I see no reason to use the Wolf. Also I always keep a loaded rifle in the house for home defense and definitely would not want a no-fire when my life depended on it.
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I have a SAM7 carbine from Arsenal that I bought last winter. Being new to AK's in general, I chose the Arsenal because it was getting good reveiws on the net, being an accurate solid gun. So far I have only shot Wolf out of it as I havn'e started buying ammo online, and wolf is the only thing available around here. I have had no failure to feed, extract, or fire with this ammo out of the 3000+ round that I have shot so far, of both laquered and polymer finished cases. The negative coment I will make about this ammo is that the accuracy sucks. Even with the psop I have its pretty hard to tell were the center of my group is at 100 yards, And I only shoot at cardboard silhouette's. Now I will say this about my shooting in an attempt to stick up for Wolf. I consider myself a pretty competent shooter, off hand or bench, pistol or rifle and so on. But when I shoot my AK I have a real hard time sitting back and letting the barrel cool after I shoot a group. Even if I bring other guns with me when I shoot, I still end up just dumping lead down range. That combined with the short length of pull and shitty trigger (no RSA mod yet) I just have a hard time being comfortable shooting this gun slowly. So maybe if I make some mods to my gun, and Slow way down I might see better results with Wolf... But judging from most other folks reaction to the stuff, I'd say probably not. Gonna try some silver bear and Barnaul next.

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Old 03-14-2005, 12:15 PM   #32
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+1 for using wolf. Buy a few boxes of the other, slightly more accurate stuff for SHTF, but use wolf for your training every weekend.

If you take any kalashnikov variant to the range (PSL, Romak III excepted) and shoot it exclusively off sandbags at a 12 inch Shoot-n-C at 50 yards, you are doing nothing except earning a scuffatoon on the back of your head by Mikhail himself.

Get down in the grass prone, behind a tree, stand, sit, kneel.

My theory being: If you can hit it with cheap, you can hit it with expensive.

Wave a magnet on a stick over the ground to get your empties.

IMHO, The advantages of training more often (cheaper ammo) with faster cleanup (more trigger time) outweigh an inch difference in 100y groups.
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Good point. Squat, or (by some) Rice Paddy Prone seems ideal for AK's. Fast down, shoot, fast up, and on your way.
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Old 03-27-2005, 11:32 AM   #34
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The Finnish Lapua 7.62x39 gave me the best accuracy in my NHM-91,there was some hungarian stuff imported a few years ago that wasnt bad either but havent seen anyone with any of this stuff in a long time.last price i remember on Lapua 7.62x39 was 24 bucks a 100 and that was in 94-95.

What is the Lapua currently going for? A local dealer has some for $339/1k.
He's not known for bargain pricing, but I have gotten some good deals from him occasionally.
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repete i havent seen any Finnish Lapua 7.62x39 locally since 94-95,still got about 420 rds in 30 rd boxes left that i keep for accuracy tests.you figure if it was 24 bucks a 100 in 94-95 yours is coming out to 33.90 a 100 in 2005 sounds about normal after 10 years.maybe check to see if any of the big importers are carrying it at all.
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