WTB need 2 yugo flats

raydel · 03-14-2009, 11:22 AM

I need 2 m70 yugo flats, with the bulge, the good flats from tapco only need the the yugo ones, not the standard flats, the ones that have the underfolder holes all punched out, thanks Ray, raydel@ktis.net

Thalco · 03-14-2009, 11:59 AM

Copes

Mackaroo · 03-14-2009, 01:22 PM

Colorado Gun Sales
But they a more expensive than Copes.
There's more out there though.

raydel · 03-14-2009, 03:20 PM

Thank you I will check with copes and the other one on monday, everybody I have called so far is out of the yugo ones but I will try because I have to have them

~Ace~ · 03-14-2009, 05:59 PM

Good Luck making them work.....

Mackaroo · 03-14-2009, 06:14 PM

Had trouble with them Ace?
I'm still rolling the idea around on going that route on a couple of M70 builds.

Let me know if I'm screwing up or what to look out for, I've not ran across any really bad info as of yet on those flats other than they were flawed a while back but was straightened out..
I am also somewhat considering the ORF receivers too.
Good price on them at 40 beans+ Sams' cut over the counter.

~Ace~ · 03-14-2009, 06:29 PM

They are WAY off, I bought some, them milled a bending jig to Proper specs, it was a joke. If you bend them Wrong, using a normal die, then Shim... they can work, but they are useless to try and do it Right. I REALLY wish someone made Real flats for them... I have a couple to build and it looks like they may never get done.

Mackaroo · 03-14-2009, 06:36 PM

Thanks Ace, Will definitely give that deep consideration on the workaround if I go that route.,
As mentioned, I may go with ORF receivers.

M70 Receiver $ 39.95 Ohio Rapidfire.

~Ace~ · 03-14-2009, 06:43 PM

If they didn't want $40 more for the Same thing without the Underfolder holes, I'd of ordered a couple from them... Tho I'd prefer to Bend my own. AK-Builder (Curtis) looked into making some flats, but would need to Pre Sell a BUNCH to cover the cost of the tooling.

Mackaroo · 03-14-2009, 06:56 PM

Absolutely would prefer to roll my own too but with the price of a flat that has to be torqued , tweaked and screwed with and is in essence the same price of an over the counter receiver I may go with the pre-bent.,
But truth be told, I'm just going to have to try and do a flat or two just to see how much I can screw it up. Ha!

" Tho I'd prefer to Bend my own. AK-Builder (Curtis) looked into making some flats, but would need to Pre Sell a BUNCH to cover the cost of the tooling."
I could have sworn a couple / three weeks ago I saw the M70 type flats there on Curtis's site, then were they gone. Am I wrong? Or were they Tapco and he pulled them?

~Ace~ · 03-14-2009, 07:11 PM

I welded the Axis pin holes up, annealed and re drilled in the proper place, then bent to Proper Yugo specs... there is a 3/16 Gap at the bottom of the trunnions, and it's a Joke. They designed it to be bent on a Normal 1.25" die, ALL Dimensions are Off.

Curtis has the M-90 flats, but no 1.5 mm or Bulged Trunnions.

Mackaroo · 03-14-2009, 07:26 PM

Man, Doesn't leave a lot of option for the lesser experienced/ equipped builder does it..
So that's the problem, Tapco stamped them wrong eh? I'd read that but not in the detail you have given ( thanks) and thought they had corrected the problem.

At the way things are going with availability of kits AK builder may want to go the stretch and tool up for them without the under folder holes.
Still , the ORF are only 40 beans+ tax across the counter and are an option.
I'm going to talk to them Tuesday ( closed Mondays) and see if they will budge on the ones without the under folder holes.

BrianWV · 03-14-2009, 10:05 PM

you can't bend a thicker yugo flat in a regular jig. The center section of the jig is too wide and will throw the dimensions off on the flat when bent.

CNC Warrior makes a jig specifically for yugos, and they make an adapter kit for the regular jigs. They sell the adapted center piece for about $75.00
The universal jig to do both kinds runs $209.00

I used one of thier jigs to bend 4 flats and compared them to what I had left of stubs and they lined up. I have not built with them as of yet though.

http://www.cncwarrior.com/comersus/s...?idCategory=64

~Ace~ · 03-14-2009, 10:38 PM

I have a Yugo Jig, but it does not change the fact the Flats are Junk, the math was Way off, made for 1.25" ID when you go .040 narrower, the holes are to high, rails to high, Gap under trunnions etc Etc.. They Can be made to work, if you want a project and a 1/2 ass gun in the end. Until someone makes GOOD Proper flats, 100%'s are the best bet.

Mackaroo · 03-14-2009, 10:50 PM

Well there ya' go raydel ,

You're getting more info than you dreamed of right?
And all you were doing was shopping ..Ha!

Maybe change this to a WTK ( Want To Know ) thread. eh?
Mack

raydel · 03-15-2009, 11:05 AM

yeah ace, there is a lot of info on here, I have currently talked to a good friend of mine who is a class 2 mfg. and he has found some good flats, he has been building m70's for a while now, we are going to try to get some more from his source and resell them to help everybody out that has these "junk" flats, even considering selling some 100% flats as he has the proper jig for bending them, he custom made it so he wouldn't have the problems that everybody else is haveing, I will start a new thread if he can still get the flats, thanks everybody for all of the info.

03-14-2009, 11:22 AM	#1
raydel Member AKaholic #: 35732 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA, Auxvasse, MO Posts: 169	WTB need 2 yugo flats I need 2 m70 yugo flats, with the bulge, the good flats from tapco only need the the yugo ones, not the standard flats, the ones that have the underfolder holes all punched out, thanks Ray, raydel@ktis.net

03-14-2009, 11:59 AM	#2
Thalco Member AKaholic #: 10433 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 479	Flats Copes

03-14-2009, 01:22 PM	#3
Mackaroo Senior Moment AKaholic #: 33093 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Midwest USA Posts: 893	flats Colorado Gun Sales But they a more expensive than Copes. There's more out there though.

03-14-2009, 06:14 PM	#6
Mackaroo Senior Moment AKaholic #: 33093 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Midwest USA Posts: 893	Had trouble with them Ace? I'm still rolling the idea around on going that route on a couple of M70 builds. Let me know if I'm screwing up or what to look out for, I've not ran across any really bad info as of yet on those flats other than they were flawed a while back but was straightened out.. I am also somewhat considering the ORF receivers too. Good price on them at 40 beans+ Sams' cut over the counter. __________________ "Grindaderas," salty Mex slang that roughly translates as "things Americans do."

03-14-2009, 06:36 PM	#8
Mackaroo Senior Moment AKaholic #: 33093 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Midwest USA Posts: 893	Thanks Ace, Will definitely give that deep consideration on the workaround if I go that route., As mentioned, I may go with ORF receivers. M70 Receiver $ 39.95 Ohio Rapidfire. __________________ "Grindaderas," salty Mex slang that roughly translates as "things Americans do."

03-14-2009, 03:20 PM	#4
raydel Member AKaholic #: 35732 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA, Auxvasse, MO Posts: 169	Thank you I will check with copes and the other one on monday, everybody I have called so far is out of the yugo ones but I will try because I have to have them

03-14-2009, 05:59 PM	#5
~Ace~ Member AKaholic #: 14911 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: 10Se Posts: 325	Good Luck making them work.....

03-14-2009, 06:29 PM	#7
~Ace~ Member AKaholic #: 14911 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: 10Se Posts: 325	They are WAY off, I bought some, them milled a bending jig to Proper specs, it was a joke. If you bend them Wrong, using a normal die, then Shim... they can work, but they are useless to try and do it Right. I REALLY wish someone made Real flats for them... I have a couple to build and it looks like they may never get done.

03-14-2009, 06:43 PM	#9
~Ace~ Member AKaholic #: 14911 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: 10Se Posts: 325	If they didn't want $40 more for the Same thing without the Underfolder holes, I'd of ordered a couple from them... Tho I'd prefer to Bend my own. AK-Builder (Curtis) looked into making some flats, but would need to Pre Sell a BUNCH to cover the cost of the tooling.

03-14-2009, 06:56 PM	#10
Mackaroo Senior Moment AKaholic #: 33093 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Midwest USA Posts: 893	Absolutely would prefer to roll my own too but with the price of a flat that has to be torqued , tweaked and screwed with and is in essence the same price of an over the counter receiver I may go with the pre-bent., But truth be told, I'm just going to have to try and do a flat or two just to see how much I can screw it up. Ha! " Tho I'd prefer to Bend my own. AK-Builder (Curtis) looked into making some flats, but would need to Pre Sell a BUNCH to cover the cost of the tooling." I could have sworn a couple / three weeks ago I saw the M70 type flats there on Curtis's site, then were they gone. Am I wrong? Or were they Tapco and he pulled them? __________________ "Grindaderas," salty Mex slang that roughly translates as "things Americans do."

03-14-2009, 07:11 PM	#11
~Ace~ Member AKaholic #: 14911 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: 10Se Posts: 325	I welded the Axis pin holes up, annealed and re drilled in the proper place, then bent to Proper Yugo specs... there is a 3/16 Gap at the bottom of the trunnions, and it's a Joke. They designed it to be bent on a Normal 1.25" die, ALL Dimensions are Off. Curtis has the M-90 flats, but no 1.5 mm or Bulged Trunnions.

03-14-2009, 07:26 PM	#12
Mackaroo Senior Moment AKaholic #: 33093 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Midwest USA Posts: 893	Man, Doesn't leave a lot of option for the lesser experienced/ equipped builder does it.. So that's the problem, Tapco stamped them wrong eh? I'd read that but not in the detail you have given ( thanks) and thought they had corrected the problem. At the way things are going with availability of kits AK builder may want to go the stretch and tool up for them without the under folder holes. Still , the ORF are only 40 beans+ tax across the counter and are an option. I'm going to talk to them Tuesday ( closed Mondays) and see if they will budge on the ones without the under folder holes. __________________ "Grindaderas," salty Mex slang that roughly translates as "things Americans do."

03-14-2009, 10:05 PM	#13
BrianWV Veteran Member AKaholic #: 7545 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: WV Posts: 1,111	you can't bend a thicker yugo flat in a regular jig. The center section of the jig is too wide and will throw the dimensions off on the flat when bent. CNC Warrior makes a jig specifically for yugos, and they make an adapter kit for the regular jigs. They sell the adapted center piece for about $75.00 The universal jig to do both kinds runs $209.00 I used one of thier jigs to bend 4 flats and compared them to what I had left of stubs and they lined up. I have not built with them as of yet though. http://www.cncwarrior.com/comersus/s...?idCategory=64

03-14-2009, 10:38 PM	#14
~Ace~ Member AKaholic #: 14911 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: 10Se Posts: 325	I have a Yugo Jig, but it does not change the fact the Flats are Junk, the math was Way off, made for 1.25" ID when you go .040 narrower, the holes are to high, rails to high, Gap under trunnions etc Etc.. They Can be made to work, if you want a project and a 1/2 ass gun in the end. Until someone makes GOOD Proper flats, 100%'s are the best bet.

03-14-2009, 10:50 PM	#15
Mackaroo Senior Moment AKaholic #: 33093 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Midwest USA Posts: 893	WTK Well there ya' go raydel , You're getting more info than you dreamed of right? And all you were doing was shopping ..Ha! Maybe change this to a WTK ( Want To Know ) thread. eh? Mack __________________ "Grindaderas," salty Mex slang that roughly translates as "things Americans do."

03-15-2009, 11:05 AM	#16
raydel Member AKaholic #: 35732 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA, Auxvasse, MO Posts: 169	yeah ace, there is a lot of info on here, I have currently talked to a good friend of mine who is a class 2 mfg. and he has found some good flats, he has been building m70's for a while now, we are going to try to get some more from his source and resell them to help everybody out that has these "junk" flats, even considering selling some 100% flats as he has the proper jig for bending them, he custom made it so he wouldn't have the problems that everybody else is haveing, I will start a new thread if he can still get the flats, thanks everybody for all of the info.

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