Mauser Ammo?

mosinutty · 12-28-2008, 07:50 PM

Have a question about Mauser Ammunition. I have an old M-38 Turkish Mauser and a M-48 Yugo Mauser. I am confused about what ammo to purchase for these rifles. What is the difference in 7.65 x 53 Mauser...8 x 57mm Mauser...and plain "ol" 8mm Mauser. The fellow I purchased them from gave me a few boxes of mil-surp 7.9 mm. What should I shoot in these rifles? Please straighten me out!

festus · 12-28-2008, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mosinutty

Have a question about Mauser Ammunition. I have an old M-38 Turkish Mauser and a M-48 Yugo Mauser. I am confused about what ammo to purchase for these rifles. What is the difference in 7.65 x 53 Mauser...8 x 57mm Mauser...and plain "ol" 8mm Mauser. The fellow I purchased them from gave me a few boxes of mil-surp 7.9 mm. What should I shoot in these rifles? Please straighten me out!

7.65 is Argentine Mauser, 30 caliber. 7.92 is Mauser 8 mm. It is all corrosive, or at least treat it as such.

Buff223 · 12-28-2008, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mosinutty

Have a question about Mauser Ammunition. I have an old M-38 Turkish Mauser and a M-48 Yugo Mauser. I am confused about what ammo to purchase for these rifles. What is the difference in 7.65 x 53 Mauser...8 x 57mm Mauser...and plain "ol" 8mm Mauser. The fellow I purchased them from gave me a few boxes of mil-surp 7.9 mm. What should I shoot in these rifles? Please straighten me out!

7.92x57mm = 8mm mauser

M38 Turks & Yugo m84's use 8mm Mauser ammo.

Need some??

Here is probably the best deal going right now.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/R...auser_FMJ.html

mosinutty · 12-29-2008, 05:05 AM

Thanks. Do any of you folks cast 8mm? What is the common bore diameter for these rifles?

1006587 · 12-29-2008, 09:25 AM

Jacketed bullets are supposed to be .323. You may see .318 bullets listed as 8mm, these are for old Mausers. Your rifles are series '98 and should use .323 bullets. Slugging the bore would remove all doubt and give you the correct size for lead bullets.

mosinutty · 12-29-2008, 07:37 PM

1006587: Thanks for the information! Looks like I need to have a barrel slugging day. I've slugged almost all my Mosin's except for an M-38. I need to slug the Mauser's and a french 49-56 MAS 7.5 mm that I think will accept the .314's I'm casting for a M-91/30.

steveo539 · 12-30-2008, 02:38 PM

Just one note of caution here in case anyone gets confused by "7.92x57mm=8mm". I know we are talking about mauser 98's here but just in case anyone has an old GEW '88 that wasn't reworked, it could be unsafe to fire "8mm mauser" ammo or any .323" dia 7.92x57. These early rifles had the smaller .318" bore so larger dia bullets could cause bad juju. Here's a clip from Wikapedia on the subject.

At the time of adoption, the "Patronen 7.92x57mm" was loaded with a bullet that measured 0.3188" in diameter. In 1897, the German Army changed the specifications of the cartridge to use a bullet 0.321" in diameter and Gewehr 88 rifles made from that date on had .323" diameter bores. Any rifle rebarreled after that date received a .323" diameter barrel. However, this is a misleading statement, as the tolerance on the barrels ranged from .318" to .325" (8.07mm to 8.25mm). The more important change was a wider chamber throat to take the thicker brass of the new cartridge. Rifles with this change have the receiver marked with a large "S". Gewehr 88/05 rifles were converted to use the Gewehr 98 type stripper clip by adding stripper clip guides to the top rear of the receiver and altering the magazine. The powder load used for the Gewehr 88 is also less than that of any other 8 mm Mauser rifle, as the makers of the Gewehr 88 did not understand the great power of smokeless powder compared to black powder. Shooters planning to use modern 8 mm Mauser ammunition should slug their bore as there are four different bore and groove combinations found on the Gewehr 88 rifle. Ammunition designated for machine guns should never be fired in a Commission Rifle.

allesennogwat · 12-30-2008, 02:52 PM

The old 88's should only use really wimpy ammo if fired at all. They are well over 100 years old and well worn and not as strong as 98's. The .318" bullets that are sold are for commercial JR double rifles that were made well after 1905 but still used a .318" bore. Most all 88 bores are larger now but the chambers aren't designed for modern JS ammo and the actions aren't very strong.

mosinutty · 12-30-2008, 07:30 PM

When I get a chance I'll slug the old girls and if they are .323 I'll try and find me a mold. But right now I've got into the 7.62x39 loading and casting. Got to work some OT so I can get a sizer and case trimmer to go with the mold my ol buddy swabbie hooked me up with.
Sounds like the Mauser ammo can get fairly confusing depending on the rifle you have, which originally started this post. I did shoot both rifle's with the mil surp 7.9 mm ammo. That wasn't very bright of me! I lucked out and had no issues.

Do any of you guys know where I can get a bayo for the yugo M-48?

knall · 01-08-2009, 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buff223

7.92x57mm = 8mm mauser

M38 Turks & Yugo m84's use 8mm Mauser ammo.

Need some??

Here is probably the best deal going right now.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/R...auser_FMJ.html

Thats odd, for some reason I thought it was packed in 380 round tins giving a total of 760 rounds per case....... gonna have to look at the pile. I have 4 unopened cases.

mosinutty · 01-08-2009, 07:27 AM

Knall, Have you experienced any miss fires with your Mauser ammo? I know when I purchased a Turkish some years back it came with a bandoleer of 8mm on stripper clips, not sure of the origin. About 3 out of every 10 rounds were duds. The cartridges looked real good with no corrosion, but they were unreliable.

motorhead · 01-08-2009, 12:36 PM

copes has yugo 8mm with flat rate shipping on less than a case.

knall · 01-08-2009, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mosinutty

Knall, Have you experienced any miss fires with your Mauser ammo? I know when I purchased a Turkish some years back it came with a bandoleer of 8mm on stripper clips, not sure of the origin. About 3 out of every 10 rounds were duds. The cartridges looked real good with no corrosion, but they were unreliable.

I am just about out of my beloved TURK, I love that shit!!! hottest ammo you will find in 8mm. Split necks were common in my 4 cases worh, I saved the split neck cartriges for the bolt actions. As for the rest of the good ones my belt feds LOVE IT!!! I realy never experienced any "duds" with the turk. I have not yet started eating up the romy, hence I am not positive how many rounds per case.

Inspect your "dud" cartriges......... was there a good primer hit? I thought I had a "dud" issue turned out to be a bad firing pin in an 1893 turk.

mosinutty · 01-08-2009, 08:20 PM

Thanks Guys, I think dad still has some of the 8mm in question that I gave him with a Turk I refinished for Christmas one year, I'll check it out.

Motorhead, What is the web address for copes?

vz58kid · 01-08-2009, 09:11 PM

I aint motorhead, but here ya go http://www.copesdistributing.net/

motorhead · 01-09-2009, 01:39 AM

i just scored 90 rds of ecuadorean on strippers for $30.25+$10.

mosinutty · 01-09-2009, 07:14 AM

Thanks Vz!

gunsmith · 05-06-2010, 08:00 PM

Watch that Ecuadorian stuff. I have some that they even forgot to put holes in the case for the primers. 1 in 5 fire. Corrosive as hell. Pull the bullets, put the powder and bullet back in a Winchester, or Remington brass, and have cheap fun. No problem with misfires then. And lower pressures than the Mil-Surp, as the cases are thinner, with more volume per cartridge.

ScottD. · 05-07-2010, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by knall

I am just about out of my beloved TURK, I love that shit!!! hottest ammo you will find in 8mm. Split necks were common in my 4 cases worh, I saved the split neck cartriges for the bolt actions. As for the rest of the good ones my belt feds LOVE IT!!! I realy never experienced any "duds" with the turk. I have not yet started eating up the romy, hence I am not positive how many rounds per case.

Inspect your "dud" cartriges......... was there a good primer hit? I thought I had a "dud" issue turned out to be a bad firing pin in an 1893 turk.

You got that right. My Turk ammo shoots about 8 inches high at 100 yrds and thumps your shoulder. I dont know what the Turks planned on shooting with these rounds, but Im betting it will easily knock down a small dinosaur.

motorhead · 05-07-2010, 11:34 PM

gunsmith, how old was it? this stuff is older than i am. i think headstamp of 53 or 54. (i'm headstamped 56) i've got a spam can of romanian and half a can of yugo.

knall · 05-09-2010, 01:30 AM

Down to my last 200 round belt of "good turk" and a hundred or so split necks for the bolt action.

Picked up another 380 round can of the romanian. Turns out they packed it 2 dif ways. Spam cans of boxed ammo (380 rounds) and spam cans of stripper clip ammo (340 rounds)
All 7 of my cans are 380, what do I need with a billion STEEL stripper clips? I still have a pile of brass ones from the turk.

partymember · 05-09-2010, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottD.

You got that right. My Turk ammo shoots about 8 inches high at 100 yrds and thumps your shoulder. I dont know what the Turks planned on shooting with these rounds, but Im betting it will easily knock down a small dinosaur.

loooong shots

those sand-dwellers were always fond of long-distance shooting

12-28-2008, 07:50 PM	#1
mosinutty Veteran Member Contributor AKaholic #: 9812 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 1,336	Mauser Ammo? Have a question about Mauser Ammunition. I have an old M-38 Turkish Mauser and a M-48 Yugo Mauser. I am confused about what ammo to purchase for these rifles. What is the difference in 7.65 x 53 Mauser...8 x 57mm Mauser...and plain "ol" 8mm Mauser. The fellow I purchased them from gave me a few boxes of mil-surp 7.9 mm. What should I shoot in these rifles? Please straighten me out! __________________ To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the crocodile, hoping he will eat you last -- but eat you he will. Ronald Reagan

12-29-2008, 05:05 AM	#4
mosinutty Veteran Member Contributor AKaholic #: 9812 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 1,336	Thanks. Do any of you folks cast 8mm? What is the common bore diameter for these rifles? __________________ To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the crocodile, hoping he will eat you last -- but eat you he will. Ronald Reagan

12-29-2008, 07:37 PM	#6
mosinutty Veteran Member Contributor AKaholic #: 9812 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 1,336	1006587: Thanks for the information! Looks like I need to have a barrel slugging day. I've slugged almost all my Mosin's except for an M-38. I need to slug the Mauser's and a french 49-56 MAS 7.5 mm that I think will accept the .314's I'm casting for a M-91/30. __________________ To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the crocodile, hoping he will eat you last -- but eat you he will. Ronald Reagan

12-30-2008, 02:52 PM	#8
allesennogwat Curio & Relic AKaholic #: 3738 Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 32,181	The old 88's should only use really wimpy ammo if fired at all. They are well over 100 years old and well worn and not as strong as 98's. The .318" bullets that are sold are for commercial JR double rifles that were made well after 1905 but still used a .318" bore. Most all 88 bores are larger now but the chambers aren't designed for modern JS ammo and the actions aren't very strong. __________________ Daraclor: A brand of anti-malaria pills which we had to drink every week while on the border. Legend had it that these would make you turn yellow and that you wouldn't be able to tan.

12-30-2008, 07:30 PM	#9
mosinutty Veteran Member Contributor AKaholic #: 9812 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 1,336	.323 mold When I get a chance I'll slug the old girls and if they are .323 I'll try and find me a mold. But right now I've got into the 7.62x39 loading and casting. Got to work some OT so I can get a sizer and case trimmer to go with the mold my ol buddy swabbie hooked me up with. Sounds like the Mauser ammo can get fairly confusing depending on the rifle you have, which originally started this post. I did shoot both rifle's with the mil surp 7.9 mm ammo. That wasn't very bright of me! I lucked out and had no issues. Do any of you guys know where I can get a bayo for the yugo M-48? __________________ To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the crocodile, hoping he will eat you last -- but eat you he will. Ronald Reagan

12-29-2008, 09:25 AM	#5
1006587 Member AKaholic #: 154 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 81	Jacketed bullets are supposed to be .323. You may see .318 bullets listed as 8mm, these are for old Mausers. Your rifles are series '98 and should use .323 bullets. Slugging the bore would remove all doubt and give you the correct size for lead bullets.

12-30-2008, 02:38 PM	#7
steveo539 Member AKaholic #: 6538 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Near Seattle Washington Posts: 80	Just one note of caution here in case anyone gets confused by "7.92x57mm=8mm". I know we are talking about mauser 98's here but just in case anyone has an old GEW '88 that wasn't reworked, it could be unsafe to fire "8mm mauser" ammo or any .323" dia 7.92x57. These early rifles had the smaller .318" bore so larger dia bullets could cause bad juju. Here's a clip from Wikapedia on the subject. At the time of adoption, the "Patronen 7.92x57mm" was loaded with a bullet that measured 0.3188" in diameter. In 1897, the German Army changed the specifications of the cartridge to use a bullet 0.321" in diameter and Gewehr 88 rifles made from that date on had .323" diameter bores. Any rifle rebarreled after that date received a .323" diameter barrel. However, this is a misleading statement, as the tolerance on the barrels ranged from .318" to .325" (8.07mm to 8.25mm). The more important change was a wider chamber throat to take the thicker brass of the new cartridge. Rifles with this change have the receiver marked with a large "S". Gewehr 88/05 rifles were converted to use the Gewehr 98 type stripper clip by adding stripper clip guides to the top rear of the receiver and altering the magazine. The powder load used for the Gewehr 88 is also less than that of any other 8 mm Mauser rifle, as the makers of the Gewehr 88 did not understand the great power of smokeless powder compared to black powder. Shooters planning to use modern 8 mm Mauser ammunition should slug their bore as there are four different bore and groove combinations found on the Gewehr 88 rifle. Ammunition designated for machine guns should never be fired in a Commission Rifle.

01-08-2009, 07:27 AM	#11
mosinutty Veteran Member Contributor AKaholic #: 9812 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 1,336	Dud's Knall, Have you experienced any miss fires with your Mauser ammo? I know when I purchased a Turkish some years back it came with a bandoleer of 8mm on stripper clips, not sure of the origin. About 3 out of every 10 rounds were duds. The cartridges looked real good with no corrosion, but they were unreliable. __________________ To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the crocodile, hoping he will eat you last -- but eat you he will. Ronald Reagan

01-08-2009, 12:36 PM	#12
motorhead EVIL GENIUS AKaholic #: 6093 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: peoples republik of kalifornia Posts: 14,187	copes has yugo 8mm with flat rate shipping on less than a case.

01-08-2009, 08:20 PM	#14
mosinutty Veteran Member Contributor AKaholic #: 9812 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 1,336	Thanks Guys, I think dad still has some of the 8mm in question that I gave him with a Turk I refinished for Christmas one year, I'll check it out. Motorhead, What is the web address for copes? __________________ To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the crocodile, hoping he will eat you last -- but eat you he will. Ronald Reagan

01-08-2009, 09:11 PM	#15
vz58kid Banned AKaholic #: 12318 Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 698	I aint motorhead, but here ya go http://www.copesdistributing.net/

01-09-2009, 01:39 AM	#16
motorhead EVIL GENIUS AKaholic #: 6093 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: peoples republik of kalifornia Posts: 14,187	i just scored 90 rds of ecuadorean on strippers for $30.25+$10.

01-09-2009, 07:14 AM	#17
mosinutty Veteran Member Contributor AKaholic #: 9812 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 1,336	Thanks Vz! __________________ To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the crocodile, hoping he will eat you last -- but eat you he will. Ronald Reagan

05-06-2010, 08:00 PM	#18
gunsmith New Member AKaholic #: 10485 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2	Watch that Ecuadorian stuff. I have some that they even forgot to put holes in the case for the primers. 1 in 5 fire. Corrosive as hell. Pull the bullets, put the powder and bullet back in a Winchester, or Remington brass, and have cheap fun. No problem with misfires then. And lower pressures than the Mil-Surp, as the cases are thinner, with more volume per cartridge.

05-07-2010, 11:34 PM	#20
motorhead EVIL GENIUS AKaholic #: 6093 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: peoples republik of kalifornia Posts: 14,187	gunsmith, how old was it? this stuff is older than i am. i think headstamp of 53 or 54. (i'm headstamped 56) i've got a spam can of romanian and half a can of yugo.

05-09-2010, 01:30 AM	#21
knall Curio & Relic AKaholic #: 5181 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: northern NH Posts: 4,301	Down to my last 200 round belt of "good turk" and a hundred or so split necks for the bolt action. Picked up another 380 round can of the romanian. Turns out they packed it 2 dif ways. Spam cans of boxed ammo (380 rounds) and spam cans of stripper clip ammo (340 rounds) All 7 of my cans are 380, what do I need with a billion STEEL stripper clips? I still have a pile of brass ones from the turk.

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