GROUP BUY AMD-65, Updated!12-1-03

lost · 11-17-2003, 08:13 PM

Well,here goes. I am going to attempt to put together a GROUP BUY for
the AMD 65 kits. The price will be 95.00 per kit plus 8.50 shipping. I will be making nothing for organizing this group buy.The kits will be from Centerfire systems. here is a link to the kits for sale. http://www.centerfiresystems.com/miv...tegory_Code=PK DO NOT ORDER from the link.I will
give more details as soon as they are available. Centerfire has agreed to include.
a sling,a cleaning kit,(A link to the cleaning kit) http://www.centerfiresystems.com/miv...tegory_Code=PK and a pouch, (A link to the pouch) http://www.centerfiresystems.com/miv...Code=POUAKA-VB with each kit.( No mags thou) If interested in this group buy please post here. I will call them again tomorrow and get more details.
Thats 104.95 plus shipping for the kit,9.95 for the cleaning kit,19.95 for the mag pouch, Thats a 143.50 value for 103.50 SHIPPED TO YOUR DOOR!!!!
I will be adding more information tomorrow evening. Currently guaging interest.
Please keep all responses to this group buy in this thread. Thanks LOST

Update 11-18-03 , I placed several calls to Centerfire today to no avail.
I assume they were not in the office.I will attempt to contact them again in the a.m. Hopefully I can get some more information. I will NOT accept money from
anyone until we have atleast 10 participants and I can declare this a Sure thing.
Thanks LOST

Update 11-20-03, I talked to Centerfire , The kits have had the full auto parts
removed, these parts have been replaced with the correct semi-auto parts.
I am still trying to find out if these are US ( Compliance) parts or not. I will do my best to keep everyone posted. Armour. I will find out if a personal pick up
option is available. As they are not local for me I will see if you can pick ALL the kits then they will ship.I dont know that they will do it but I'll try if you are willing.
The kits are Grade C kits on the exterior. expect little bluing, But the rifling is strong with no pitting and the internals are very good.
We are 1/2 way there. We only need 5 more people to declare this a GO!

11-24-03
I spoke with Centerfire re: the semi auto parts. the parts are NOT u.s. parts,But they are NEW semi auto parts. Im still trying to get this buy qty up to
what we need.We are close . Just a few more and we are there. I guess I need to start looking for my compliance parts. :wink_smal

12-01-03
I spoke with Centerfire today, The contact person is Lois Cantrell, Her phone #
is 1-800-915-3346
She will be handling the money end of this whole thing.Call her direct with
your screen name from here on the A.K. files. ( By having her collect the money
directly it benefits all of us TWO ways.
One ,I dont have to wait on checks to clear etc. before having her mail product.
Two ,She is set up to accept charge cards ( 3% extra fee) where as I can not.
I have faxed the current list of buyers to her.
If you have any remaining concerns please contact me LOST

P806 · 11-17-2003, 09:27 PM

I'm interested and naive about the AK group, but I've done my homework and am interested in a new system build. This kit comes with the trunion attached to the barrel, correct me if I'm wrong please? I am interested on screwing one together.

~P

The Armour · 11-18-2003, 01:17 PM

I am interested but don't need to have it shipped. I live close enough to pick it up. So can I still get the same price? Send me a PM with details. Thanks

garybob · 11-18-2003, 03:00 PM

P806 Yes the trunion is attached to the barrel in the AMD-65 kits. Good luck on your build, and let us know how it progresses.

P806 · 11-18-2003, 07:04 PM

Ok, I'm in for 1.

charger0122 · 11-18-2003, 11:32 PM

is there something wrong with the centerfire website? the links wont work they want a user name and password and i also tryed to go throug yahoo to get to the website and it did the same thing im confused please help

Akkid · 11-19-2003, 02:47 PM

Ill take at least one. Are these going to be exc. or vg. condition kits?

gwolff · 11-19-2003, 09:29 PM

Where do I send the money............ ?
Keep me posted.

NHBandit · 11-20-2003, 09:51 PM

I'm very interested. Have you found out the possibility of the semi auto parts being US parts ? Also what do you do about the 12.6" barrel ? Long MB or what ? Haven't messed with AKs much. Thanks

NHBandit · 11-21-2003, 07:10 AM

ok I'm in

justashooter · 11-21-2003, 09:44 AM

these are grade 3 kits. the two i got in september were complete, and in vg condition, with 40% paint (finish). the buttpads were ex, and the p grips were a little dinged. these guns have been shot, but are in vg mechanical condition.

the trunnion is on the barrel, and i was able to drill and tap with 10-32. when you drill the rear trunnion, you will find the rivet goes all the way thru, and is a little larger than the #21 tap. get it from both sides, and the drilled thru rivet will spin out on the bit. the trunnions are very hard, so use plenty of cutting fluid. be prepared to reshape your tap to a bottoming shape for the front trunnion.

very cool stuff. good luck in your builds.

NHBandit · 11-24-2003, 06:20 AM

Aany news on this ?

NagantNut · 11-24-2003, 09:44 AM

Bandit-

In response to your question, there are several US parts available for the AMD-65. Federal Arms Corp. (gunsnstuff.net) has the best selection including a US made HTS set, US gas piston and both a barrel extension and muzzle break. You will have to buy ALL of these parts in order to be 922r compliant (with the addition of a US made receiver). You could also replace the pistol grips with US made PGs, but it will change the "look" of the rifle.

IMO the AMD-65 is not worth it to build. The folding stock cannot legally fold, and the compact, short barrel has to have a barrel extention welded on in order to bring it up to rifle length (over 16"). If you're going to go through all that trouble why not just buy a rifle with a regular buttstock and full length barrel? The AMD-63 that Centerfire offers is a much better candidate for a build. It is in "like new" condition, uses a stamped receiver, has a fixed stock (which can be replaced with a US made stock), and has a full length legal barrel. Also, because the AMD-63 does not have a muzzle device your US parts count will be five US parts instead of six as on the AMD-65. Hope this helps.

justashooter · 11-24-2003, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NagantNut

Bandit-

1.)You will have to buy ALL of these parts in order to be 922r compliant (with the addition of a US made receiver). You could also replace the pistol grips with US made PGs, but it will change the "look" of the rifle.

2.)IMO the AMD-65 is not worth it to build.

3.)The folding stock cannot legally fold,

4.)and the compact, short barrel has to have a barrel extention welded on in order to bring it up to rifle length (over 16").

5.) Hope this helps.

1.)you have to do this with any AK kit
2.)thanks for your perspective
3.)wait a few months, or pin it shut
4.)add 1 3/8" to the front of the brake by welding on a peice of heavy/standard wall pipe, solder the brake on, and you're at 16 1/4" and 26 1/4"
5.)not really

lost · 11-24-2003, 06:40 PM

NagantNut, If I need to defend why I am running this group buy. I
wouldn't expect you to understand,But, I can buy a full length fixed stock
A.K from a number of places. I can buy a Krink kit in 762x39 from K-var for
399.00 Then buy my compliance parts and fix the stock open or register it as an S.B.R. and pay the 200.00
Or I can buy an AMD-65 kit. Install all the compliance parts.and still have WAY less than just the krink kit with No compliance parts.
Will I have a Krink? No,But I will have a Compliant Mini-a/k variant for alot less
money. Will it be the most accurate rifle I own. No. Will it be fun to build? YOU BET. Will it be fun to shoot? YOU BET. Enough said. ( LOST )

romack991 · 11-24-2003, 07:33 PM

Use a 5mm - 3/4 inch bolt and the folder is fixed. You'd have to take it completely apart out of the receiver to remove it. So its not that bad. Most people buy a muzzle device anyways so its not that big of a deal to extend it legally. And as far as the finish, you have to refinish the receiver so might as well just do the whole gun. Something probably will get scratched during the build anyways. I'd be in if I had a little extra cash.

sniper69 · 11-25-2003, 05:59 AM

nagantnut,
to clarify about US parts, I am a little confused as to why you were saying the that the AMD65 needs 7 US parts. The front pistol grip is part of the lower handguard so that would already be covered on the list of parts. Here is a little breakdown of US parts, correct me if I am wrong (this list is for AKs in general).

You may have no more than 10 imported parts on a rifle that accepts magazine that holds more than 10 rounds and has a pistol grip.

A milled AK rifle has 14 countable parts.

Stamped has 15.

Add 1 part for a muzzle brake.

US parts include:

Buttstock 1
pistol grip 1
upper and lower handguards 1
muzzle brake 1
gas piston 1
hammer 1
trigger 1
disconnector 1
follower 1
floorplate 1
reciever 1

All parts must be marked US or made in such a fashion as to have never been imported, (stainless steel piston).

A milled AK without a muzzle brake needs 4 US parts.
W/ brake, 5.

A stamped AK rifle without a muzzle brake needs 5 US parts.
W/ brake 6.

I realize that I could be missing something when it comes to AMD-65's, but why would it need seven US parts to be compliant? nagantnut, I'm not trying to flame you or cause problems - I am just trying to make sure that I understand, in case I'm missing something.
Not sure if this should be part of a new thread or not, but hope it helps those that are wanting to build an AMD-65.

The group buy price is a decent price, I had almost added one to my AMD63 order. Did you talk with Lois at centerfiresystems? I am thinking everyone could call Lois and get the group price, and centerfire would ship the kits. I'll look around and see if I can find the phone number.

leper · 11-25-2003, 07:33 AM

i'm in for one. the one i got from centerfire sys. last month looked almost new, maybe a refinish or something, but nothing like the finishless, totally thrashed fal's we been used to seeing.

NagantNut · 11-25-2003, 11:37 AM

First of all, I was responding to a question NHBandit asked that no one else bothered to answer. He seemed interested in the group buy but had some questions. I addressed my original message to "Bandit-". I was trying to answer his question on the availability of US made semi-auto parts and what to do about the short barrel length. I guess some of you were offended by that.

I also offered my opinion on the AMD-65 build (which was not an entirely positive one) and for that I appologize to lost for any negative affect it may have had on his post. I did not intend to deter anyone from purchasing one of these kits I was only stating what I had learned from my own experiences with building this rifle. The deal from Centerfire is a good one.

Justashooter-

1) True, you have to buy these parts for any AK kit, but you can use a US made stock set on most other kits which looks identical to the factory stock set and does not change the look of the rifle. You cannot replace the stock set on the the AMD-65 without altering the look of the rifle. Also, the only US made "stock set" available for the AMD-65 are pistol grips. The ATF considers the ENTIRE handguard assembly (including the gas tube cover) to be the front grip, not just the pistol grip. So replacing the forward PG would be purely asthetic and would NOT count towards the US parts count.

2) I was merely offering an opinion. You do not have to agree with it.

3) You are assuming that the assault weapon ban will be repealed even though our President has stated he will support the ban. If you have to pin it, why build a folder?

4) This is exactly the point I was trying to make. Why build a "compact folder" if you cannot fold the stock and the barrel is the same length as a standard AK? It will not be a "compact folder" anymore. Yes it still "looks cool", but so does the AMD-63 and the '63 is in much better condition.

5) Again, I was not talking to you. Glad you decided to put your .02 in anyways though.

Sniper-

My mistake, I was thinking of the FAL ( it requires 7 US parts w/MB). You are correct, it is 5 for the milled and 6 for the stamped. I will edit my previous post to avoid causing any confusion.

lost · 11-25-2003, 06:05 PM

Just a few more people and we are there!!!!
I dont see compliance as a BIG issue? A follower,floorplate,H.T.S. gas piston,
and a Muzzle break and Im there.( If my count is correct??? )Gosh. I guess that means Ill have to drop an extra 2.50 into 1/2 dozen mags.) Still comes up awful cheap on paper.Am I missing something real important somewhere?
Thus far. I have listed
1 for P806
1 for The Armour
1 for Akkid
1 for gwolff
1 for NHBandit
1 for leper
2 for lost ( Because I'm greedy) and want to see this thing a go!
Just to prevent any confusion. I am not making a dime for this group buy. I dont get any special personal concessions from the vender.Nothing! I am doing this solely for the satisfaction of doing it. We only need 10 to get this going. I actually anticipated having 10 people want in the first day! I cant believe a week out and I am still not up to enough people to place the order. I will give it another couple days and see what happens.
Nagantnut , I assume from your posts that you have aready built one of these and dont like it? If this is correct please P.M. me! Thanks LOST

mark214 · 11-26-2003, 06:18 PM

One (1) AMD 65 kit for me.

lost · 11-26-2003, 06:21 PM

Thus far. I have listed
1 for P806
1 for The Armour
1 for Akkid
1 for gwolff
1 for NHBandit
1 for leper
2 for lost ( Because I'm greedy) and want to see this thing a go!
1 for Mark214
We Are almost there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

loneeagle308 · 11-26-2003, 06:50 PM

I will take one to help the group out.

lost · 11-26-2003, 07:15 PM

Thus far. I have listed
1 for P806
1 for The Armour
1 for Akkid
1 for gwolff
1 for NHBandit
1 for leper
2 for lost ( Because I'm greedy) and want to see this thing a go!
1 for Mark214
We Are almost there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1 for loneeagle308
Any one else want to jump in? This is going to happen!
1 for kd
1 for Jvard

lost · 11-27-2003, 08:55 AM

I am handling the Group Buy. I will send you (((My address to mail the funds to.
I then send all the funds in one payment to Centerfire with the addresses.)))
((( ))) PAYMENT ARRANGEMENT CHANGED 12-01-03 See 1st post in thread!!!!
they in turn will drop ship direct to each Buyer in the group Buy.
If you need references for me.You can probably contact FWRA,Fire929,Falcon
or Gunga-Din on the fal files. Or you can look up my past posts and contact anyone that I have done business with on the files. Thanks (LOST) Andy
P.S. My screen name is (lost) on the FAL files also.
I took it upon myself to list these people as references.( With out their knowing it.) If anyone I have listed as references would prefer I remove them from this post PLEASE accept my appology and send a P.M. to me for removal.)

misterjg · 11-27-2003, 05:39 PM

I'll take a kit.

lost · 11-27-2003, 10:29 PM

1 for P806
1 for The Armour
1 for Akkid
1 for gwolff
1 for NHBandit
1 for leper
2 for lost ( Because I'm greedy) and want to see this thing a go!
1 for Mark214
1 for loneeagle308
1 for kd
1 for Jvard
1 for misterjg
If you want in on this group buy but your name is not on the list
please contact me SOON. This buy is about to happen! LOST
I will be working out more of the final details first of the week!
WE MAY ALL HAVE KITS UNDER OUR CHRISTMAS TREES!!

lost · 11-28-2003, 07:33 PM

1 for P806
1 for The Armour
1 for Akkid
1 for gwolff
1 for NHBandit
1 for leper
2 for lost ( Because I'm greedy) and want to see this thing a go!
1 for Mark214
1 for loneeagle308
1 for kd
1 for Jvard
1 for misterjg
1 for falsemuzzle
I am hoping to get more details Monday. We have more than enough to make a Go of this! Any one else? We are nearing last call!

spoonman · 11-30-2003, 05:31 AM

sign me up for one! my one amd is getting lonely and needs a buddy.

:edit: just one question: the barrel is still in the trunnion, correct?

lost · 11-30-2003, 07:39 AM

1 for P806
1 for The Armour
1 for Akkid
1 for gwolff
1 for NHBandit
1 for leper
2 for lost ( Because I'm greedy) and want to see this thing a go!
1 for Mark214
1 for loneeagle308
1 for kd
1 for Jvard
1 for misterjg
1 for falsemuzzle
1 for spoonman ( Yes ,The barrel is still in the trunion.)

lost · 12-01-2003, 06:45 PM

One last BTT

Ken · 12-01-2003, 07:41 PM

I would like one or two but placed an order (will call) with Centerfire several weeks ago on the 63 and 65 package deal. If I can get out of that and switch to one or two 63's and a 65 and save money, I'm all for it. RIght now I will owe them $125 and $85. Should I call Lois? Can we get AMD-65's in this buy, too?

P806 · 12-02-2003, 08:31 PM

Thanks Andy

HiramRanger · 12-04-2003, 11:06 AM

I just ordered an AMD63 kit from CF, $138.47 shipped. Is there any way to get one cheaper? Are they offering a discount on the 63's? I'm mailing in payment so there is time to change my order.

sniper69 · 12-04-2003, 11:20 AM

centerfire did have a group buy price of $110 (before shipping). Not sure if they are still selling them for that price, but you would need to call Lois at centerfire at 1-800-915-3346. She is who I had talked to when I originally heard of the amd 63 kits last month. Lois should be able to fill you in on whether the amd 63 is still available for the group buy price and what other group buys or specials that centerfire is honoring or doing. Hope this helps.

11-17-2003, 08:13 PM	#1
lost Member Contributor AKaholic #: 346 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 30	GROUP BUY AMD-65, Updated!12-1-03 Well,here goes. I am going to attempt to put together a GROUP BUY for the AMD 65 kits. The price will be 95.00 per kit plus 8.50 shipping. I will be making nothing for organizing this group buy.The kits will be from Centerfire systems. here is a link to the kits for sale. http://www.centerfiresystems.com/miv...tegory_Code=PK DO NOT ORDER from the link.I will give more details as soon as they are available. Centerfire has agreed to include. a sling,a cleaning kit,(A link to the cleaning kit) http://www.centerfiresystems.com/miv...tegory_Code=PK and a pouch, (A link to the pouch) http://www.centerfiresystems.com/miv...Code=POUAKA-VB with each kit.( No mags thou) If interested in this group buy please post here. I will call them again tomorrow and get more details. Thats 104.95 plus shipping for the kit,9.95 for the cleaning kit,19.95 for the mag pouch, Thats a 143.50 value for 103.50 SHIPPED TO YOUR DOOR!!!! I will be adding more information tomorrow evening. Currently guaging interest. Please keep all responses to this group buy in this thread. Thanks LOST Update 11-18-03 , I placed several calls to Centerfire today to no avail. I assume they were not in the office.I will attempt to contact them again in the a.m. Hopefully I can get some more information. I will NOT accept money from anyone until we have atleast 10 participants and I can declare this a Sure thing. Thanks LOST Update 11-20-03, I talked to Centerfire , The kits have had the full auto parts removed, these parts have been replaced with the correct semi-auto parts. I am still trying to find out if these are US ( Compliance) parts or not. I will do my best to keep everyone posted. Armour. I will find out if a personal pick up option is available. As they are not local for me I will see if you can pick ALL the kits then they will ship.I dont know that they will do it but I'll try if you are willing. The kits are Grade C kits on the exterior. expect little bluing, But the rifling is strong with no pitting and the internals are very good. We are 1/2 way there. We only need 5 more people to declare this a GO! 11-24-03 I spoke with Centerfire re: the semi auto parts. the parts are NOT u.s. parts,But they are NEW semi auto parts. Im still trying to get this buy qty up to what we need.We are close . Just a few more and we are there. I guess I need to start looking for my compliance parts. :wink_smal 12-01-03 I spoke with Centerfire today, The contact person is Lois Cantrell, Her phone # is 1-800-915-3346 She will be handling the money end of this whole thing.Call her direct with your screen name from here on the A.K. files. ( By having her collect the money directly it benefits all of us TWO ways. One ,I dont have to wait on checks to clear etc. before having her mail product. Two ,She is set up to accept charge cards ( 3% extra fee) where as I can not. I have faxed the current list of buyers to her. If you have any remaining concerns please contact me LOST Last edited by lost; 12-01-2003 at 06:42 PM. Reason: More info on group buy. LOST ( Andy)

11-18-2003, 03:00 PM	#4
garybob Member AKaholic #: 167 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Arkansas Posts: 198	P806 Yes the trunion is attached to the barrel in the AMD-65 kits. Good luck on your build, and let us know how it progresses. __________________ Strive to be prepared!

11-18-2003, 07:04 PM	#5
P806 New Member Bronze Contributor AKaholic #: 316 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Georgia Posts: 24	Ok, I'm in for 1. __________________ Semper Fi

11-19-2003, 09:29 PM	#8
gwolff Member AKaholic #: 362 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 50	Where do I send the money............ ? Keep me posted. __________________ westsidevirus

11-20-2003, 09:51 PM	#9
NHBandit Member Contributor AKaholic #: 146 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 35	I'm very interested. Have you found out the possibility of the semi auto parts being US parts ? Also what do you do about the 12.6" barrel ? Long MB or what ? Haven't messed with AKs much. Thanks __________________ Live Free or Die

11-17-2003, 09:27 PM	#2
P806 New Member Bronze Contributor AKaholic #: 316 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Georgia Posts: 24	I'm interested and naive about the AK group, but I've done my homework and am interested in a new system build. This kit comes with the trunion attached to the barrel, correct me if I'm wrong please? I am interested on screwing one together. ~P __________________ Semper Fi

11-18-2003, 01:17 PM	#3
The Armour Member AKaholic #: 323 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 107	I am interested but don't need to have it shipped. I live close enough to pick it up. So can I still get the same price? Send me a PM with details. Thanks

11-18-2003, 11:32 PM	#6
charger0122 Member AKaholic #: 783 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: nw georgia Posts: 216	is there something wrong with the centerfire website? the links wont work they want a user name and password and i also tryed to go throug yahoo to get to the website and it did the same thing im confused please help

11-19-2003, 02:47 PM	#7
Akkid Member AKaholic #: 732 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 33	Ill take at least one. Are these going to be exc. or vg. condition kits?

11-21-2003, 07:10 AM	#10
NHBandit Member Contributor AKaholic #: 146 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 35	ok I'm in __________________ Live Free or Die

11-21-2003, 09:44 AM	#11
justashooter Member AKaholic #: 117 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 436	these are grade 3 kits. the two i got in september were complete, and in vg condition, with 40% paint (finish). the buttpads were ex, and the p grips were a little dinged. these guns have been shot, but are in vg mechanical condition. the trunnion is on the barrel, and i was able to drill and tap with 10-32. when you drill the rear trunnion, you will find the rivet goes all the way thru, and is a little larger than the #21 tap. get it from both sides, and the drilled thru rivet will spin out on the bit. the trunnions are very hard, so use plenty of cutting fluid. be prepared to reshape your tap to a bottoming shape for the front trunnion. very cool stuff. good luck in your builds. __________________ "That's what will happen if we are fighting with just our fists. Give each of us weapons, and you can imagine what that room will look like when were done with each other." http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/ i"ll live to see it, so i don't need to imagine.

11-24-2003, 06:20 AM	#12
NHBandit Member Contributor AKaholic #: 146 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 35	Aany news on this ? __________________ Live Free or Die

11-24-2003, 09:44 AM	#13
NagantNut Member AKaholic #: 432 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 46	Bandit- In response to your question, there are several US parts available for the AMD-65. Federal Arms Corp. (gunsnstuff.net) has the best selection including a US made HTS set, US gas piston and both a barrel extension and muzzle break. You will have to buy ALL of these parts in order to be 922r compliant (with the addition of a US made receiver). You could also replace the pistol grips with US made PGs, but it will change the "look" of the rifle. IMO the AMD-65 is not worth it to build. The folding stock cannot legally fold, and the compact, short barrel has to have a barrel extention welded on in order to bring it up to rifle length (over 16"). If you're going to go through all that trouble why not just buy a rifle with a regular buttstock and full length barrel? The AMD-63 that Centerfire offers is a much better candidate for a build. It is in "like new" condition, uses a stamped receiver, has a fixed stock (which can be replaced with a US made stock), and has a full length legal barrel. Also, because the AMD-63 does not have a muzzle device your US parts count will be five US parts instead of six as on the AMD-65. Hope this helps. __________________ Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggie' until you find a rock. -Will Rogers Last edited by NagantNut; 11-25-2003 at 11:39 AM.

11-24-2003, 06:40 PM	#15
lost Member Contributor AKaholic #: 346 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 30	NagantNut, If I need to defend why I am running this group buy. I wouldn't expect you to understand,But, I can buy a full length fixed stock A.K from a number of places. I can buy a Krink kit in 762x39 from K-var for 399.00 Then buy my compliance parts and fix the stock open or register it as an S.B.R. and pay the 200.00 Or I can buy an AMD-65 kit. Install all the compliance parts.and still have WAY less than just the krink kit with No compliance parts. Will I have a Krink? No,But I will have a Compliant Mini-a/k variant for alot less money. Will it be the most accurate rifle I own. No. Will it be fun to build? YOU BET. Will it be fun to shoot? YOU BET. Enough said. ( LOST )

11-24-2003, 07:33 PM	#16
romack991 New Member AKaholic #: 500 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: IN Posts: 4	Use a 5mm - 3/4 inch bolt and the folder is fixed. You'd have to take it completely apart out of the receiver to remove it. So its not that bad. Most people buy a muzzle device anyways so its not that big of a deal to extend it legally. And as far as the finish, you have to refinish the receiver so might as well just do the whole gun. Something probably will get scratched during the build anyways. I'd be in if I had a little extra cash.

11-25-2003, 05:59 AM	#17
sniper69 Member Bronze Contributor AKaholic #: 538 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: formerly AL, now Germany! Posts: 365	nagantnut, to clarify about US parts, I am a little confused as to why you were saying the that the AMD65 needs 7 US parts. The front pistol grip is part of the lower handguard so that would already be covered on the list of parts. Here is a little breakdown of US parts, correct me if I am wrong (this list is for AKs in general). You may have no more than 10 imported parts on a rifle that accepts magazine that holds more than 10 rounds and has a pistol grip. A milled AK rifle has 14 countable parts. Stamped has 15. Add 1 part for a muzzle brake. US parts include: Buttstock 1 pistol grip 1 upper and lower handguards 1 muzzle brake 1 gas piston 1 hammer 1 trigger 1 disconnector 1 follower 1 floorplate 1 reciever 1 All parts must be marked US or made in such a fashion as to have never been imported, (stainless steel piston). A milled AK without a muzzle brake needs 4 US parts. W/ brake, 5. A stamped AK rifle without a muzzle brake needs 5 US parts. W/ brake 6. I realize that I could be missing something when it comes to AMD-65's, but why would it need seven US parts to be compliant? nagantnut, I'm not trying to flame you or cause problems - I am just trying to make sure that I understand, in case I'm missing something. Not sure if this should be part of a new thread or not, but hope it helps those that are wanting to build an AMD-65. The group buy price is a decent price, I had almost added one to my AMD63 order. Did you talk with Lois at centerfiresystems? I am thinking everyone could call Lois and get the group price, and centerfire would ship the kits. I'll look around and see if I can find the phone number.

11-25-2003, 07:33 AM	#18
leper Member Bronze Contributor AKaholic #: 213 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 117	i'm in for one. the one i got from centerfire sys. last month looked almost new, maybe a refinish or something, but nothing like the finishless, totally thrashed fal's we been used to seeing.

11-25-2003, 11:37 AM	#19
NagantNut Member AKaholic #: 432 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 46	First of all, I was responding to a question NHBandit asked that no one else bothered to answer. He seemed interested in the group buy but had some questions. I addressed my original message to "Bandit-". I was trying to answer his question on the availability of US made semi-auto parts and what to do about the short barrel length. I guess some of you were offended by that. I also offered my opinion on the AMD-65 build (which was not an entirely positive one) and for that I appologize to lost for any negative affect it may have had on his post. I did not intend to deter anyone from purchasing one of these kits I was only stating what I had learned from my own experiences with building this rifle. The deal from Centerfire is a good one. Justashooter- 1) True, you have to buy these parts for any AK kit, but you can use a US made stock set on most other kits which looks identical to the factory stock set and does not change the look of the rifle. You cannot replace the stock set on the the AMD-65 without altering the look of the rifle. Also, the only US made "stock set" available for the AMD-65 are pistol grips. The ATF considers the ENTIRE handguard assembly (including the gas tube cover) to be the front grip, not just the pistol grip. So replacing the forward PG would be purely asthetic and would NOT count towards the US parts count. 2) I was merely offering an opinion. You do not have to agree with it. 3) You are assuming that the assault weapon ban will be repealed even though our President has stated he will support the ban. If you have to pin it, why build a folder? 4) This is exactly the point I was trying to make. Why build a "compact folder" if you cannot fold the stock and the barrel is the same length as a standard AK? It will not be a "compact folder" anymore. Yes it still "looks cool", but so does the AMD-63 and the '63 is in much better condition. 5) Again, I was not talking to you. Glad you decided to put your .02 in anyways though. Sniper- My mistake, I was thinking of the FAL ( it requires 7 US parts w/MB). You are correct, it is 5 for the milled and 6 for the stamped. I will edit my previous post to avoid causing any confusion. __________________ Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggie' until you find a rock. -Will Rogers

11-25-2003, 06:05 PM	#20
lost Member Contributor AKaholic #: 346 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 30	Just a few more people and we are there!!!! I dont see compliance as a BIG issue? A follower,floorplate,H.T.S. gas piston, and a Muzzle break and Im there.( If my count is correct??? )Gosh. I guess that means Ill have to drop an extra 2.50 into 1/2 dozen mags.) Still comes up awful cheap on paper.Am I missing something real important somewhere? Thus far. I have listed 1 for P806 1 for The Armour 1 for Akkid 1 for gwolff 1 for NHBandit 1 for leper 2 for lost ( Because I'm greedy) and want to see this thing a go! Just to prevent any confusion. I am not making a dime for this group buy. I dont get any special personal concessions from the vender.Nothing! I am doing this solely for the satisfaction of doing it. We only need 10 to get this going. I actually anticipated having 10 people want in the first day! I cant believe a week out and I am still not up to enough people to place the order. I will give it another couple days and see what happens. Nagantnut , I assume from your posts that you have aready built one of these and dont like it? If this is correct please P.M. me! Thanks LOST

11-26-2003, 06:18 PM	#21
mark214 Member AKaholic #: 55 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 41	One (1) AMD 65 kit for me.

11-26-2003, 06:21 PM	#22
lost Member Contributor AKaholic #: 346 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 30	Thus far. I have listed 1 for P806 1 for The Armour 1 for Akkid 1 for gwolff 1 for NHBandit 1 for leper 2 for lost ( Because I'm greedy) and want to see this thing a go! 1 for Mark214 We Are almost there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

11-26-2003, 06:50 PM	#23
loneeagle308 New Member AKaholic #: 266 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 10	I will take one to help the group out.

11-26-2003, 07:15 PM	#24
lost Member Contributor AKaholic #: 346 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 30	Thus far. I have listed 1 for P806 1 for The Armour 1 for Akkid 1 for gwolff 1 for NHBandit 1 for leper 2 for lost ( Because I'm greedy) and want to see this thing a go! 1 for Mark214 We Are almost there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1 for loneeagle308 Any one else want to jump in? This is going to happen! 1 for kd 1 for Jvard Last edited by lost; 11-26-2003 at 08:53 PM.

11-27-2003, 08:55 AM	#25
lost Member Contributor AKaholic #: 346 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 30	G-B update I am handling the Group Buy. I will send you (((My address to mail the funds to. I then send all the funds in one payment to Centerfire with the addresses.))) ((( ))) PAYMENT ARRANGEMENT CHANGED 12-01-03 See 1st post in thread!!!! they in turn will drop ship direct to each Buyer in the group Buy. If you need references for me.You can probably contact FWRA,Fire929,Falcon or Gunga-Din on the fal files. Or you can look up my past posts and contact anyone that I have done business with on the files. Thanks (LOST) Andy P.S. My screen name is (lost) on the FAL files also. I took it upon myself to list these people as references.( With out their knowing it.) If anyone I have listed as references would prefer I remove them from this post PLEASE accept my appology and send a P.M. to me for removal.) Last edited by lost; 12-01-2003 at 06:49 PM.

11-27-2003, 05:39 PM	#26
misterjg Member AKaholic #: 984 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 35	I'll take a kit.

11-27-2003, 10:29 PM	#27
lost Member Contributor AKaholic #: 346 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 30	Current list Updated! 1 for P806 1 for The Armour 1 for Akkid 1 for gwolff 1 for NHBandit 1 for leper 2 for lost ( Because I'm greedy) and want to see this thing a go! 1 for Mark214 1 for loneeagle308 1 for kd 1 for Jvard 1 for misterjg If you want in on this group buy but your name is not on the list please contact me SOON. This buy is about to happen! LOST I will be working out more of the final details first of the week! WE MAY ALL HAVE KITS UNDER OUR CHRISTMAS TREES!!

11-28-2003, 07:33 PM	#28
lost Member Contributor AKaholic #: 346 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 30	1 for P806 1 for The Armour 1 for Akkid 1 for gwolff 1 for NHBandit 1 for leper 2 for lost ( Because I'm greedy) and want to see this thing a go! 1 for Mark214 1 for loneeagle308 1 for kd 1 for Jvard 1 for misterjg 1 for falsemuzzle I am hoping to get more details Monday. We have more than enough to make a Go of this! Any one else? We are nearing last call!

11-30-2003, 05:31 AM	#29
spoonman Member AKaholic #: 1006 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA! USA! Posts: 25	sign me up for one! my one amd is getting lonely and needs a buddy. :edit: just one question: the barrel is still in the trunnion, correct? Last edited by spoonman; 11-30-2003 at 06:20 AM.

11-30-2003, 07:39 AM	#30
lost Member Contributor AKaholic #: 346 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 30	1 for P806 1 for The Armour 1 for Akkid 1 for gwolff 1 for NHBandit 1 for leper 2 for lost ( Because I'm greedy) and want to see this thing a go! 1 for Mark214 1 for loneeagle308 1 for kd 1 for Jvard 1 for misterjg 1 for falsemuzzle 1 for spoonman ( Yes ,The barrel is still in the trunion.)

12-01-2003, 06:45 PM	#31
lost Member Contributor AKaholic #: 346 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 30	One last BTT

12-01-2003, 07:41 PM	#32
Ken Member AKaholic #: 953 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kentucky Posts: 40	I would like one or two but placed an order (will call) with Centerfire several weeks ago on the 63 and 65 package deal. If I can get out of that and switch to one or two 63's and a 65 and save money, I'm all for it. RIght now I will owe them $125 and $85. Should I call Lois? Can we get AMD-65's in this buy, too?

12-02-2003, 08:31 PM	#33
P806 New Member Bronze Contributor AKaholic #: 316 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Georgia Posts: 24	Thanks Andy __________________ Semper Fi

12-04-2003, 11:06 AM	#34
HiramRanger Member AKaholic #: 1040 Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 26	I just ordered an AMD63 kit from CF, $138.47 shipped. Is there any way to get one cheaper? Are they offering a discount on the 63's? I'm mailing in payment so there is time to change my order.

12-04-2003, 11:20 AM	#35
sniper69 Member Bronze Contributor AKaholic #: 538 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: formerly AL, now Germany! Posts: 365	centerfire did have a group buy price of $110 (before shipping). Not sure if they are still selling them for that price, but you would need to call Lois at centerfire at 1-800-915-3346. She is who I had talked to when I originally heard of the amd 63 kits last month. Lois should be able to fill you in on whether the amd 63 is still available for the group buy price and what other group buys or specials that centerfire is honoring or doing. Hope this helps.

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