I spoke to IO Inc today. They will be shipping brand new, 100% US-made AKM's and STG-2000 Wieger guns in August. I am waiting to be one of the first to get a new STG in .223. I am very happy with my Romanian/US hybrid gun and think the all US gun will be unique to say the least. These guns will have dimples.

I"ve got some ocean front property in Arizona, too, if you're interested.

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I"ve got some ocean front property in Arizona, too, if you're interested.

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100% you say...

where is this information from?

-myers

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I spoke to IO Inc today. They will be shipping brand new, 100% US-made AKM's and STG-2000 Wieger guns in August. I am waiting to be one of the first to get a new STG in .223. I am very happy with my Romanian/US hybrid gun and think the all US gun will be unique to say the least. These guns will have dimples.

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My point exactly dstorm...

though... I would (just me) buy a 100% US made AK. Given that it was a quality... US made AK.

-myers

Here is a list of what is US made that is READILY available. I know in the past US trunnions were made, I also believe bolts and bolt carriers have been made, but good luck finding them.

So... currently, these are available. If I missed any let me know.
Receiver
Trigger group
Gas piston
Ak-100 rear stock and regular stocks
Handguards
Pistol Grip
Barrel
Sling Swivel
Muzzle Nut/Muzzle Brake

Currently NOT made in the US:
Front trunnion
Rear Trunnion
Bolt
Bolt Carrier
RSB
Rear Sight
Rear Sight leaf
Axis pins
All springs (hammer, sear, etc)
Trigger guard
Pistol grip screw and nut
Gas block
Handguard retainer
Front sight

That is.... ALOT to start building.

-myers

I did the front trunions but that was way back in the day 1986-89 and all of them were used in complete rifles which were built by a now long gone manufacturer, in 1989 the ATF was shown that the front trunion was simply a component of the receiver and that the receiver was the gun so they stopped requiring us to torch cut the front trunions and allowed the serial number to be placed on the receiver declaring it to be the actual gun. That was the beginning for folks to be able to get actually usable parts sets in, NO OTHER Manufacture made the front trunions as it was not cost effective and until recently the AK was not very popular in fact it was considered nothing but commie sheet metal junk only a few of us really saw the light early on. I also did bolts and bolt carriers more recently 1996/7 till 2005 these were used with specific very high end guns and none were ever sold as component parts a few I gave away or traded as ya are aware but none were ever produced for resale as components... the few remaining I keep for future projects these were all hand finished and semi polished BTW As far as I know nobody else ever did these 3 components....

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All springs (hammer, sear, etc)

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Wolf does make springs, but I do not know if it is all the springs. I have not looked, though I believe they make a recoil spring.

Can you post a link?

-myers

IO is having the front trunnion, rear trunnion, gas block/front site base, and bolt carrier investment cast by a US company then machined. I do not know about the bolt, however. Maybe they will buy those abroad, but I do not work there and live about 500 miles from their shop. I just happen to be a fan of the STG and like their company. I was told that assembly will be done in house. No, they did not set up a forge hammer.

Not that it can't be done but you'd think American labor would cost more than in Bulgaria. Maybe they are getting some people from Century to do the work.

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IO is having the front trunnion, rear trunnion, gas block/front site base, and bolt carrier investment cast by a US company then machined. I do not know about the bolt, however. Maybe they will buy those abroad, but I do not work there and live about 500 miles from their shop. I just happen to be a fan of the STG and like their company. I was told that assembly will be done in house. No, they did not set up a forge hammer.

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now if we can get Winchester-made AK-47's...

I'll wait and see what the price is. Investment cast is not a bad thing, not like it used to be. If they are made to any quality then they will of course be OK.

US Made used to mean quality, though with IO... I ain't holding my breath

-myers

there was talk of a guy last year that was supposed to be buying some of the original equipment. i can't remember all of the details. remember, items coul dbe cast in country "a" and then imported and machined in the USA and called a USA part...

The parts will definately be of US origin, cast, machined, and heat treated here in the eastern US. I am not to worried about the investment cast nature of the parts. At least the alloy and origin will be known. I'm more interested to see what the barrels look like. Their web site calls our "Green Mountain" for some of their other guns (PSL), anybody have an idea what Green Mountain is?

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The parts will definately be of US origin, cast, machined, and heat treated here in the eastern US. I am not to worried about the investment cast nature of the parts. At least the alloy and origin will be known. I'm more interested to see what the barrels look like. Their web site calls our "Green Mountain" for some of their other guns (PSL), anybody have an idea what Green Mountain is?

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So where are you getting this information from?

None of it is listed on their web-site.

-myers

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So where are you getting this information from?

None of it is listed on their web-site.

-myers

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The information came directly from Uli Wiegand, President of IO Inc. and is 100% reliable fact. If you call IO and try to buy any AK or STG the operator will express the company's regrets that they are completely out of them and ask you to wait until August for their US-made ones. IO's assembled in USA PSL's are already in, she said that they have 50 pieces to sell.

Falcon makes a complete replacement spring set *but* there are differences in the design (example the hammer is a single wound spring), tension is higher, etc.

From what I can tell so far, the Falcon springs are working well.

USA PSL's...?

Im gonna have to give them a call, because I call BS.

-myers

As I mentioned above, I am just a consumer and I met IO for the first time at the NRA Convention this year. I saw their products, liked the look and feel of the STG, and bought one. I like the gun I bought from them so I took interest in them, so please don't attribute BS to me. IO calimed on the phone that their PSL's are US ASSEMBLED from domestic and overseas parts, I have no reason to doubt their claim but anyone can call and check it out.

No, no... I don't attribute the BS to you, I attribute it to IO. Wouldn't be the first time that the "consumer" was fed a line.

I can understand the USA "assembled" PSL's... though I doubt it because century is importing manufactured ones and I gotta say it is probably difficult at best to compete with their prices once you add in US labor.

-myers

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No, no... I don't attribute the BS to you, I attribute it to IO. Wouldn't be the first time that the "consumer" was fed a line.

I can understand the USA "assembled" PSL's... though I doubt it because century is importing manufactured ones and I gotta say it is probably difficult at best to compete with their prices once you add in US labor.

-myers

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Thats what I thought, at least that is what I was refering to with "assembling", but... wouldn't they need a barrel now? Or do you think they had a stockpile of kits?

Im just thinking with Century importing complete PSL's, how could, and why would, IO compete with making their own?

-myers

Is this thread going the way of the Norinco USA thread?



Long forgoten.

Scott

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Thats what I thought, at least that is what I was refering to with "assembling", but... wouldn't they need a barrel now? Or do you think they had a stockpile of kits?

Im just thinking with Century importing complete PSL's, how could, and why would, IO compete with making their own?

-myers

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Is this thread going the way of the Norinco USA thread?



Long forgoten.

Scott

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Leaving the origin of IO's guns aside, I shot my .223 STG-2003 again yesterday. This time I used the two plastic promag mags I got when I bought the gun at Knob Creek after the NRA show. I thought they would not function well so I never had used them. I based my prejudice on the Glock 17 Promags I had 5 or 6 years ago that would not work at all (open slide, all 16 rounds would fly/erupt out the top).

In this STG case, the two Promags cycled through 120rds without fail (30 rounds each, twice). My steel milsurp mag usually fails to feed starting on round 27 or 28 - not a jam, just the bolt closing without stripping a new round off.

Anyone else had this problem with 5.56 steel military magazines? Anybody else experience Promags actually working properly?

MIne is just the opposite...it will not work with any ProMag. It just works with the Wierger mags.

http://www.ioinc.us/shotgunnewsad.pdf
IOINC's add in the newest SHOT GUN NEWS also calls the rifles 100% US made.td

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http://www.ioinc.us/shotgunnewsad.pdf
IOINC's add in the newest SHOT GUN NEWS also calls the rifles 100% US made.td

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US Made:

Furniture, Receiver, barrel, FCB, Mags.

so basically its just a kit with US made bits thrown at it and called 100% US.