SciFi Gargoyles vs. Mosin M38

3A_PKKA · 03-03-2008, 08:16 PM

I was watching a re-run of the SciFi made for TV movie "Reign of the Gargoyles" Sunday evening and noticed a number of interesting inconsitencies in the weapons and settings in the show.

(The ridiculous plot revolves around the Nazis in WW II France ressurecting ancient Gargoyles to help them fight the allied forces. Actually, the special effects weren't bad, the acting was OK, and there wasn't anything else to watch!)

The first thing I noticed was that a female French resistance fighter (who hooks up with a bunch of downed U.S. airmen and British commandos) carries a Mosin M-38 throughout the movie. I studied her rifle as best as I could and it appeared to be a genuine M-38 stock (not a re-arsenaled M44 stock). My question is, "what is a Mosin M-38 doing in the hands of a French resistance fighter?"

The second thing that I found odd was that the main villain in the movie, a Nazi officer, was running around executing people with a Luger. The P-38 replaced the Luger as the standard sidearm of Nazi officers long before 1944 when the action in this flick was supposed to be taking place.

The third really strange thing I saw had nothing to do with weapons, but I'll mention it anyway. Our heroes and heroine take refuge in a church in the French countryside since it is a holy place and the demon Gargoyles can't enter. The strange part is that it is a Russian Orthodox Church. What a Russian Orthodox Church is doing in a village in the Roman Catholic French countryside is beyond me!

Anyway, I'm sure they will show this again. It's not a bad flick and worth watching if nothing else of interest is on.

Mike

KernelKrink · 03-03-2008, 09:06 PM

Luger in use in 1944 is perfectly normal, the P38 was the replacement for the Luger but the Nazis issued many types of handguns. IIRC, there were something like 30+ different handguns in use by the Reich before war's end. Browning hipower, Polish Radom, Spanish Ruby, even the 1911 via the Norwegian M1914 copy.

French Resistance used captured and smuggled arms, so not too much of a stretch there.

Russian Orthodox Church? Probably filmed in Yugoslavia or one of the other former Soviet states that provides cheap labor and extras for filmmakers. Script probably just specified "Church" and they found one!

KernelKrink · 03-04-2008, 05:24 PM

Speaking of guns on TV, anybody been watching the new Terminater series on Fox? It has the usual technical screwups (sprinkling thermite around instead of over a dead Terminater to melt it down, using 14lbs of C4 to blow a doorway sized hole through a cement block wall, etc.) but the way Sarah Conner stores her weapons in her house is pretty funny. Last night's ep something was burning in the oven so she is rummaging through the kitchen drawers and has to take out stacks of loaded Glock mags to get down to the hotpads! A few weeks ago they were going to blow something up so she tells John to get the C4 out of the Pantry and the detonaters out from under the towels in the hall closet.....

dstorm1911 · 03-04-2008, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KernelKrink

Speaking of guns on TV, anybody been watching the new Terminater series on Fox? It has the usual technical screwups (sprinkling thermite around instead of over a dead Terminater to melt it down, using 14lbs of C4 to blow a doorway sized hole through a cement block wall, etc.) but the way Sarah Conner stores her weapons in her house is pretty funny. Last night's ep something was burning in the oven so she is rummaging through the kitchen drawers and has to take out stacks of loaded Glock mags to get down to the hotpads! A few weeks ago they were going to blow something up so she tells John to get the C4 out of the Pantry and the detonaters out from under the towels in the hall closet.....

So....... your saying there is something wrong with my cookie jar full of 12 gauge 00 buckshot? The Taurus PT145 in my freezer (under the frozen french fries and behind the green beans)? The 75 rnd Chicom drum in my kitchen towel drawer (it goes with the SBR Krink in pan drawer under the stove) just what the F#@CK are ya implying there KK??? And lets not overlook the Keltec P3AT under the spare toilet paper behind the toilet! I'm not expectin terminators from the future or I'd really arm up better

I got my eye on ya mister!!

KernelKrink · 03-04-2008, 09:33 PM

So what are you using for a shower gun?

dstorm1911 · 03-05-2008, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by KernelKrink

So what are you using for a shower gun?

S&W Mod 66 .357 3", hint AMT .380 backup does not handle hard water calcium buildup well

my-rifle · 03-05-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 3A_PKKA

I was watching a re-run of the SciFi made for TV movie "Reign of the Gargoyles" Sunday evening and noticed a number of interesting inconsitencies in the weapons and settings in the show.

(The ridiculous plot revolves around the Nazis in WW II France ressurecting ancient Gargoyles to help them fight the allied forces. Actually, the special effects weren't bad, the acting was OK, and there wasn't anything else to watch!)

The first thing I noticed was that a female French resistance fighter (who hooks up with a bunch of downed U.S. airmen and British commandos) carries a Mosin M-38 throughout the movie. I studied her rifle as best as I could and it appeared to be a genuine M-38 stock (not a re-arsenaled M44 stock). My question is, "what is a Mosin M-38 doing in the hands of a French resistance fighter?"

The second thing that I found odd was that the main villain in the movie, a Nazi officer, was running around executing people with a Luger. The P-38 replaced the Luger as the standard sidearm of Nazi officers long before 1944 when the action in this flick was supposed to be taking place.

The third really strange thing I saw had nothing to do with weapons, but I'll mention it anyway. Our heroes and heroine take refuge in a church in the French countryside since it is a holy place and the demon Gargoyles can't enter. The strange part is that it is a Russian Orthodox Church. What a Russian Orthodox Church is doing in a village in the Roman Catholic French countryside is beyond me!

Anyway, I'm sure they will show this again. It's not a bad flick and worth watching if nothing else of interest is on.

Mike

Sooooo... As far as inconsistencies is concerned, the fact that there are "gargoyles" in the movie is OK?

By the way, I'm pretty sure that "Gargoyle" means "downspout" in French - not some mysterious creature from mythology. In my travels in France I often have heard people refer to their gutter downspouts as "gargoyles". They decorated their cathedral downspouts with statuary, and we in the States apparently saw them in the movies and mistook the statues for their functions.

6526 · 03-05-2008, 11:30 AM

Ifn ya wanna get technical, what most ppl call gargoyle are really called "grotesques". Many of these designs were biblical, mythological, or satirical in origin,,,,kinda makes you wonder what those stone carvers were smoking!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grotesque

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...0&q=grotesques

my-rifle · 03-10-2008, 01:43 PM

When you travel around Europe you see that most of the statues adorned the downspouts of cathedrals. From what I've read and heard the idea was to scare the shit out of the pagans by showing them images of what awaited them if they didn't go inside the cathedral. Most of that stuff came from the period of 800 - 1300 when the Christians were cheerfully murdering their way across the pagan lands and into the arms of the God of love.

Church leaders like St. Dominic, St. Bernard, and St. Innocent were all about using fear and genocide to coerce populations into the Christian fold. It apparently worked pretty well.

Hoppy · 03-24-2008, 02:55 PM

i gotta agree. probibly fillmed in Eastern Europe. they just grabed what ever was around. like the movie "Sniper 3" where they try to pass off a Mosin 91/30 for a Kar 98.

what ever they could grab, they used.

03-03-2008, 08:16 PM	#1
3A_PKKA Senior Member AKaholic #: 8544 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 870	SciFi Gargoyles vs. Mosin M38 I was watching a re-run of the SciFi made for TV movie "Reign of the Gargoyles" Sunday evening and noticed a number of interesting inconsitencies in the weapons and settings in the show. (The ridiculous plot revolves around the Nazis in WW II France ressurecting ancient Gargoyles to help them fight the allied forces. Actually, the special effects weren't bad, the acting was OK, and there wasn't anything else to watch!) The first thing I noticed was that a female French resistance fighter (who hooks up with a bunch of downed U.S. airmen and British commandos) carries a Mosin M-38 throughout the movie. I studied her rifle as best as I could and it appeared to be a genuine M-38 stock (not a re-arsenaled M44 stock). My question is, "what is a Mosin M-38 doing in the hands of a French resistance fighter?" The second thing that I found odd was that the main villain in the movie, a Nazi officer, was running around executing people with a Luger. The P-38 replaced the Luger as the standard sidearm of Nazi officers long before 1944 when the action in this flick was supposed to be taking place. The third really strange thing I saw had nothing to do with weapons, but I'll mention it anyway. Our heroes and heroine take refuge in a church in the French countryside since it is a holy place and the demon Gargoyles can't enter. The strange part is that it is a Russian Orthodox Church. What a Russian Orthodox Church is doing in a village in the Roman Catholic French countryside is beyond me! Anyway, I'm sure they will show this again. It's not a bad flick and worth watching if nothing else of interest is on. Mike Last edited by 3A_PKKA; 03-03-2008 at 08:27 PM.

03-10-2008, 01:43 PM	#9
my-rifle Chilling like a quarter after five. Gold Contributor AKaholic #: 6179 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Orleans Posts: 5,988	When you travel around Europe you see that most of the statues adorned the downspouts of cathedrals. From what I've read and heard the idea was to scare the shit out of the pagans by showing them images of what awaited them if they didn't go inside the cathedral. Most of that stuff came from the period of 800 - 1300 when the Christians were cheerfully murdering their way across the pagan lands and into the arms of the God of love. Church leaders like St. Dominic, St. Bernard, and St. Innocent were all about using fear and genocide to coerce populations into the Christian fold. It apparently worked pretty well. __________________ This is * My Rifle * http://www.my-rifle.com

03-24-2008, 02:55 PM	#10
Hoppy Member AKaholic #: 7319 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 101	i gotta agree. probibly fillmed in Eastern Europe. they just grabed what ever was around. like the movie "Sniper 3" where they try to pass off a Mosin 91/30 for a Kar 98. what ever they could grab, they used. __________________ in the spirit of the "Hogans Heros" theme i see on here " Here's to our wives and sweethearts - may they never meet. " - Hogan

03-03-2008, 09:06 PM	#2
KernelKrink Curio & Relic AKaholic #: 2036 Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 7,533	Luger in use in 1944 is perfectly normal, the P38 was the replacement for the Luger but the Nazis issued many types of handguns. IIRC, there were something like 30+ different handguns in use by the Reich before war's end. Browning hipower, Polish Radom, Spanish Ruby, even the 1911 via the Norwegian M1914 copy. French Resistance used captured and smuggled arms, so not too much of a stretch there. Russian Orthodox Church? Probably filmed in Yugoslavia or one of the other former Soviet states that provides cheap labor and extras for filmmakers. Script probably just specified "Church" and they found one!

03-04-2008, 05:24 PM	#3
KernelKrink Curio & Relic AKaholic #: 2036 Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 7,533	Speaking of guns on TV, anybody been watching the new Terminater series on Fox? It has the usual technical screwups (sprinkling thermite around instead of over a dead Terminater to melt it down, using 14lbs of C4 to blow a doorway sized hole through a cement block wall, etc.) but the way Sarah Conner stores her weapons in her house is pretty funny. Last night's ep something was burning in the oven so she is rummaging through the kitchen drawers and has to take out stacks of loaded Glock mags to get down to the hotpads! A few weeks ago they were going to blow something up so she tells John to get the C4 out of the Pantry and the detonaters out from under the towels in the hall closet.....

03-04-2008, 09:33 PM	#5
KernelKrink Curio & Relic AKaholic #: 2036 Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 7,533	So what are you using for a shower gun?

03-05-2008, 11:30 AM	#8
6526 Curio & Relic AKaholic #: 3433 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: southwest WI Posts: 4,853	Ifn ya wanna get technical, what most ppl call gargoyle are really called "grotesques". Many of these designs were biblical, mythological, or satirical in origin,,,,kinda makes you wonder what those stone carvers were smoking! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grotesque http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...0&q=grotesques

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