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Old 08-25-2017, 11:38 AM   #1
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Default Another Noob question: hypothetical scenario

Apologies if I missed any old posts covering this.

Hypothetical scenario. If one buys an AK built using an imported parts kit, and the builder used his required minimum of 10 US-sourced parts, and say one of those 10 parts was the pistol grip (which I understand is a common practice), and the buyer replaces that grip with one from the country of origin of the parts kit, has the gun now become illegal? Or can the buyer do this so long as it is not resold?

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Old 08-25-2017, 11:41 AM   #2
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922r is for manufacturers.
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Old 08-25-2017, 07:11 PM   #3
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922r is for manufacturers.
I'm not an attorney, but I am a cop. In fact, one who has worked with folks from the BATFE more than a few times over the years and witnessed their responses of "WTF are you talking about" when I've asked them this very thing. With that said, I believe Nalioth is 100% spot on, and I don't believe the law was ever intended to apply to the end user. I wouldn't sweat it unless you're the manufacturer. Then again, as I stated... I'm not an attorney. We all calculate our potential for risk, and react accordingly. I'm personally not worried about 922r.
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Change your grip.
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Manufacturing or not - do the "maths"... ten minus one is... oh wait - gotta do our CommieCore stuff. Let's see, there are mountains in Switzerland, so carry the two, Bob's your uncle so add three.... oh! And White America is evil. Equals nine - so non-922r(etard).
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Following the law..... lol
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Old 08-25-2017, 08:35 PM   #7
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Thanks, guys.
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Sell that US Palm grip for $100 and get a surplus one!
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Sell that US Palm grip for $100 and get a surplus one!
I wish! It's a cheap black one and I am putting an original Bulgy one on.
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Old 08-26-2017, 12:31 AM   #10
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I'm not an attorney, but I am a cop. In fact, one who has worked with folks from the BATFE more than a few times over the years and witnessed their responses of "WTF are you talking about" when I've asked them this very thing. With that said, I believe Nalioth is 100% spot on, and I don't believe the law was ever intended to apply to the end user. I wouldn't sweat it unless you're the manufacturer. Then again, as I stated... I'm not an attorney. We all calculate our potential for risk, and react accordingly. I'm personally not worried about 922r.
Actual attorneys involved in daily weapons cases and 2A wrangling in CA have posted the same thing over on Calguns.
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Old 08-26-2017, 01:44 AM   #11
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Can anyone link to an actual 922r case/conviction that wasn't part of an add on to a multitude of other charges in a much larger case?

In addition to that my local gunsmith is a Sheriffs Deputy and he has built his own FALs and AKs over the years and he flat out stated to me that not a single person in his department knows what 922r is or means..
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Old 08-26-2017, 02:01 AM   #12
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AK-104/def90: Former LEOs and regular civilian members of our private club also have no idea what 922r is.

Sticking a 20-rd. mag into an Original MAK 90 never turns any head, prompts no questions.
Putting a 20-rd. SGM mag into a Stock .223 Saiga, or standard butt stock on the MAK 90 does nothing. An AK (to them) is just a crude gun, and why would anybody be interested where identical internal components were made.?

People Are aware of minimum barrel lengths (if not SBR).

Most simply are not interested in shooting any of these guns, nor looking at them, and literally don't give a damn about the "government chicken s**t 922r" trivia.
They are into scopes, other SEAL/Green Beret gear, or placing Glock bullet groups into a target (mugger) who telegraphs his hostile intentions at 12 o'clock.

The ATF is so understaffed, they can't begin to keep up with many FFLs, drug gangs' gun thefts, MS-13 sawed-off guns, ISIS self-sponsored types. We should worry about 922r??
Former Apparatchik Eric Holder was much more interested in pressuring AZ gun shops to sell to very seedy people, so it could lead to our media blaming the US gun shop industry for more Mex. gang murders., more regulations etc.

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Manufacturing or not - do the "maths"... ten minus one is... oh wait - gotta do our CommieCore stuff. Let's see, there are mountains in Switzerland, so carry the two, Bob's your uncle so add three.... oh! And White America is evil. Equals nine - so non-922r(etard).
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Old 08-26-2017, 06:58 AM   #15
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Swap out a mag spring, follower or floor plate if you really are worried about it.
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Swap out a mag spring, follower or floor plate if you really are worried about it.
When's the last time you read the 922r law?

( apparently, it's been a while - if ever )
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As has been stated above, 922r applies to manufacturers.

Beyond that, you've got you numbers all mixed up. 922r does not require a minimum of 10 US parts. It requires no more than 10 imported parts.
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As has been stated above, 922r applies to manufacturers.

Beyond that, you've got you numbers all mixed up. 922r does not require a minimum of 10 US parts. It requires no more than 10 imported parts.
Yes, I did screw that up. That's what I get for trusting synopses. I read the reg myself and saw my error.

I looked with interest at your post linked in your sig...but photofucket now makes it essentially unreadable. Did you ever post it anywhere else? It would be a nice reference going forward.
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Yes, I did screw that up. That's what I get for trusting synopses. I read the reg myself and saw my error.

I looked with interest at your post linked in your sig...but photofucket now makes it essentially unreadable. Did you ever post it anywhere else? It would be a nice reference going forward.
I do... since we've already bumped into each other on facebook, I'll share over there on the 74 group.
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I believe what causes the confusion is that the term "assemble" is not clearly defined as manufacturing and can be interpreted to the simple assembly/disassembly of a firearm in your own home.

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18 U.S.C. 922(r)



It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported parts any semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) of this chapter as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes except that this subsection shall not apply to -



(1) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or any department or agency thereof or to any State or any department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or



(2) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Attorney General.




27 CFR 478.39 - ASSEMBLY OF NON-SPORTING SHOTGUNS AND SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLES FROM IMPORTED PARTS



(a) No person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun using more than 10 of the imported parts listed in paragraph (c) of this section if the assembled firearm is prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes.



(b) The provisions of this section shall not apply to:



(1) The assembly of such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or any department or agency thereof or to any State or any department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or



(2) The assembly of such rifle or shotgun for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Director under the provisions of Sec. 178.151; or



(3) The repair of any rifle or shotgun which had been imported into or assembled in the United States prior to November 30, 1990, or the replacement of any part of such firearm.
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In any event, the actual crime is "assembly", not mere possession. The burden of proof is still on the prosecution, so barring an admission of guilt, the reg is essentially unenforceable on an individual. "I bought it like that" is all you need to remember when asked.
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