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Old 05-15-2017, 09:27 AM   #1
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Default I may have found the answer to the gun control problem. Dead Serious.

Ok, so this guy is a hard core communist. He want's gun control. I'm feeling pretty good that day so I'm going to be nice. He wants everything registered, limited, etc etc you know how it is. I say to him "You know, let's just get to the meat of the issue. How would you make murder more illegal than it already is. Because frankly weapon doesn't matter. You want to prevent murder across the board, so lets drop guns for a moment and go after murder itself."

He deflects saying hes not targeting current criminals (why I don't know, oh well) but would be criminals who end up doing shootings like in Orlando. Ok fair intentions, keeping people alive, wont fault him. But I have an idea.

"Tell you what, I want to play a game. I'll play the role of a soon to be criminal and you make a law that will stop me. I'm going to tell you this hypothetical crime that I'm going to commit in this game. I'll go to Chicago, to a mall, and kill as many people as I can. I won't tell you how and you cannot use previous knowledge. So you cannot call the cops on me. You cannot prepare for the attack as you don't officially know what that crime is. So, even ignoring the constitution what law would you make that will stop me? You can make any law you want but your goal is to stop me. If you use knowledge you shouldn't have, you get disqualified. Let the game begin."

He had nothing and hasn't said a word to me since. I think I'd call that a double win.
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Old 05-15-2017, 09:33 AM   #2
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Communists don't want "gun control" - they just don't want people who don't believe in communism to be armed. Commies LOVE guns as long as they are the ones who are using them.
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I know that, but I forced him into a situation where he had to admit that no law would prevent my character in this game from going on a killing spree. Thus, admitting gun laws are useless. That was the point.
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It's about control, not firearms. But kudos to mentally outflanking him!
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Communists don't want "gun control" - they just don't want people who don't believe in communism to be armed. Commies LOVE guns as long as they are the ones who are using them.
^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^

Gun control isn't about controlling guns, it's about controlling people. It's much easier to run rough-shot over the population if they can't fight back or defend themselves.
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Commies only want those that disagree with them to be disarmed so they can kill them with firearms. Historical fact.
Don't engage in conversation with commies, they are the enemy and mentally unstable.
He most likely has a gun, did you ask?
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Old 05-15-2017, 10:16 AM   #7
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Most of the people who don't like guns only don't because they've developed a pathology of discomfort around the idea of them.
It seems to come down to their understanding [or lack thereof] of guns and comfort of being able to use them themselves. If they can't conceive of someone using them responsibly, then they don't want people to have access to them. Thus, because they aren't competent enough with firearms themselves to understand them and their function, it is hard for them to understand how others could be competent with them as well without some kind of extensive training to prepare them [such as law enforcement].
This, combined with the sort of heard mentality of them and their peers, makes for a seemingly self evident understanding that no one should own guns accept law enforcement and such.
Every single person that I've taught to shoot, has become pro gun if they weren't previously, just because of the realization that guns are tools that people can and need to understand just like any other tool. One can be irresponsible or responsible with any tool. Machete, chain saw, gun, knife, car, pen, hammer, saw, screwdriver, etc... Any tool can be dangerous or serve a positive purpose.
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It's about control, not firearms. But kudos to mentally outflanking him!
It didn't take much to outflank him...at least not in my book it didn't.
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Like others said. Not about guns or people getting hurt.

They use that as persuasion. They want control.

If they were truly upset they'd be trying to figure out gang violence and shootings in places like Chicago vs applying "common sense" (senseless) gun laws to responsible gun owners.
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That was a good reply to that Marxist puke, but if he's a communist, it's unlikely any sort of logic or reason will ever be able to change his mind. If that were the case, he wouldn't be a communist.

I like to keep a folder on my desktop with pics to confront gun control commies.

Here is their t-shirt hero Che Guevara on a mule with a M1 Carbine:



Another one of their commie heroes Fidel posing with a child soldier toting a FAL:



Malcolm X peering out his window holding an M1 Carbine:



"Strong and independent" female Viet Cong fighter poses with a captured M16:



How can you "bees thuggin if you ain't strapped"?



"Strong and independent" Israeli woman on a communist kibbutz poses with her Uzi SMG:



"Strong and independent" communist "Nazi fighter" and member of the French Resistance poses with her MP40:

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Every good communist LOVES the Black Panthers. Who can forget the time they stormed the California State House while armed, causing "pro-gun" Governor Ronald Reagan to ban open carry in the state:







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One man with a gun can control a thousand men without. It amazes me that anyone can be so blind as to not realize this. Why don't inner city goons come to my area to rape, rob, and pillage?... We are armed. Why don't people from my area go to the hood to do the same?... Those folks in the hood are armed. An armed society is a polite society. Guns make people work together for fear of death. The gun is the ultimate equalizer. I hope to never see a time when we have to coexist without the threat of violence.
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Ok, so this guy is a hard core communist. He want's gun control. I'm feeling pretty good that day so I'm going to be nice. He wants everything registered, limited, etc etc you know how it is. I say to him "You know, let's just get to the meat of the issue. How would you make murder more illegal than it already is. Because frankly weapon doesn't matter. You want to prevent murder across the board, so lets drop guns for a moment and go after murder itself."

He deflects saying hes not targeting current criminals (why I don't know, oh well) but would be criminals who end up doing shootings like in Orlando. Ok fair intentions, keeping people alive, wont fault him. But I have an idea.

"Tell you what, I want to play a game. I'll play the role of a soon to be criminal and you make a law that will stop me. I'm going to tell you this hypothetical crime that I'm going to commit in this game. I'll go to Chicago, to a mall, and kill as many people as I can. I won't tell you how and you cannot use previous knowledge. So you cannot call the cops on me. You cannot prepare for the attack as you don't officially know what that crime is. So, even ignoring the constitution what law would you make that will stop me? You can make any law you want but your goal is to stop me. If you use knowledge you shouldn't have, you get disqualified. Let the game begin."

He had nothing and hasn't said a word to me since. I think I'd call that a double win.
It is not hard to out debate a leftist/liberal/progressive/Marxist/communist. The general result is just what you got though. They simply stop talking to you.

They mark you in their mind as "unenlightened enough to understand". At the higher higher levels of their creed, you are also marked for nuetralization. Prioritized on their assessment of the danger you present to their line of thought.

That nuetralization today, comes in the form of shaming, financial penalties(ie loss of job), destruction of reputation, etc. In the future if/when they are truly in complete control, it will be raised to the level of other police states, and you will dissappear or have an "accident".

Those measures being reserved today for very high profile targets, and the destruction of high profile rconservatives not only eliminates them from the contest, it also provides valuable propaganda.
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Wasting your time arguing with a Marxist and trying to "understand" how they can support groups like ANTIFA who are armed when they themselves want to disarm society is a waste of time.

These pieces of shit have no morals, ethics,standards, integrity or honor......they are simply human garbage that needs to be eradicated because they have no business existing in a free society.

They destroy and corrupt every god damn thing they touch....just a few examples......

MSM = destroyed by communists

Public education = destroyed by communists

Workers unions = destroyed by communists

Holly wood and entertainment = destroyed by communists.

Democrat political party = destroyed by communists.

US government = just about destroyed by communists

Rule of law in government and the courts = destroyed by communists

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Wasting your time arguing with a Marxist and trying to "understand" how they can support groups like ANTIFA who are armed when they themselves want to disarm society is a waste of time.

These pieces of shit have no morals, ethics,standards, integrity or honor......they are simply human garbage that needs to be eradicated because they have no business existing in a free society.

They destroy and corrupt every god damn thing they touch....just a few examples......

MSM = destroyed by communists

Public education = destroyed by communists

Workers unions = destroyed by communists

Holly wood and entertainment = destroyed by communists.

Democrat political party = destroyed by communists.

US government = just about destroyed by communists

Rule of law in government and the courts = destroyed by communists
That is a pretty accurate summary right there.
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Wasting your time arguing with a Marxist and trying to "understand" how they can support groups like ANTIFA who are armed when they themselves want to disarm society is a waste of time.

These pieces of shit have no morals, ethics,standards, integrity or honor......they are simply human garbage that needs to be eradicated because they have no business existing in a free society.

They destroy and corrupt every god damn thing they touch....just a few examples......

MSM = destroyed by communists

Public education = destroyed by communists

Workers unions = destroyed by communists

Holly wood and entertainment = destroyed by communists.

Democrat political party = destroyed by communists.

US government = just about destroyed by communists

Rule of law in government and the courts = destroyed by communists
Who said I was trying to understand him? I challenged him to a game and he forfeited. Simple as that. He had no laws that could stop my character in said game. Displaying for all that he had no argument.
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You can't stop a maniac but the less tools they have the less likely they are to do terrible things. So I see their point in wanting to ban guns.

But for the hundreds they might save by avoiding these mass shootings they are victimizing and killing thousands of innocent people to criminals in home invasions, robberies, etc

Instead of taking away guns and hurting innocent people...Encourage gun ownership and TRAINING. My God, it does no good for Flaurence to own her S&W Shield if she never practices with it.

Most people are simply scared of guns because they make really loud noises and kick. They are terribly aweful things.
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On the training issue, that's probably our biggest obstacle, all the fudd's and come lately gun-trenders that are too stupid to learn, buy before learning and won't shut up about their new gun.

My wife has a friend who bought herself a Carry gun, she doesn't know the brand, only that it is pink (SCCY if you're wondering) and she exclaims that her little 9mm kicks a lot. Also yells at the top of her lungs about being armed at random times. My wife m, on the other hand, knows her carry piece very well, doesn't brag to her coworkers about it, can shoot a gold cup as well as I can and can handle a 500 magnum with ease, and when she isn't sure how to work a different firearm, she simply asks.

Idiots, along with criminals, are 'one of us' when looked at by the outside
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Reason and clear thinking really confuses the "progressive" collectivist and national-international socialist.

If they can't emote and feel they are like a fish out of water!

Let's drain the swamp, turn off your TV everybody.
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I have a solution too.
Kill a commie for mommy.
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You can't stop a maniac but the less tools they have the less likely they are to do terrible things. So I see their point in wanting to ban guns.

But for the hundreds they might save by avoiding these mass shootings they are victimizing and killing thousands of innocent people to criminals in home invasions, robberies, etc

Instead of taking away guns and hurting innocent people...Encourage gun ownership and TRAINING. My God, it does no good for Flaurence to own her S&W Shield if she never practices with it.

Most people are simply scared of guns because they make really loud noises and kick. They are terribly aweful things.
That isnt right because they'd get the tools they want illegally or they would use something else. Timothy McVeigh used a bomb. Hows them bomb bans working out for ya?
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Taught my 12yo niece who lives a few miles away from our nation's first library (liberal haven) to lose her fear of firearms, safety, function, and fun of .22lr. This was the toughest child yet, took over 30 min for the fear aspect to subside.. (took serious creativity ). Moved on to fundamentals.. not long afterwards, we found out we have a natural talent. After a couple hundred rounds.. she now wants one of her own... I'd say mission accomplished ..

Baby steps has gotta be a fairly solid approach to the control freaks
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Laws are reactive by nature, not preventive. Something most people don't understand, same thing as the lock on your front door, it's to keep honest folk out. If I wanted in it takes me less than 2 secs to get in.
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Communists love guns, that's how they exterminate anyone who disagrees with them.
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You can't stop a maniac but the less tools they have the less likely they are to do terrible things. So I see their point in wanting to ban guns.

But for the hundreds they might save by avoiding these mass shootings they are victimizing and killing thousands of innocent people to criminals in home invasions, robberies, etc

Instead of taking away guns and hurting innocent people...Encourage gun ownership and TRAINING. My God, it does no good for Flaurence to own her S&W Shield if she never practices with it.

Most people are simply scared of guns because they make really loud noises and kick. They are terribly aweful things.
At the outset of the HIV epidemic many conservatives voiced a desire to ban homosexuality as their lifestyle was the main method of transmission.

That made far more sense numerically than gun bans, as HIV was spreading very rapidly and was nearly 100% fatal.

They were called bigots and fascists.

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That isnt right because they'd get the tools they want illegally or they would use something else. Timothy McVeigh used a bomb. Hows them bomb bans working out for ya?
That wasn't McVeigh's bomb, it was US property.

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Communists don't want "gun control" - they just don't want people who don't believe in communism to be armed. Commies LOVE guns as long as they are the ones who are using them.
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That isnt right because they'd get the tools they want illegally or they would use something else. Timothy McVeigh used a bomb. Hows them bomb bans working out for ya?
He didn't forfeit that means losing he just chose not to debate the point any longer. Oh and Tim had help from the ATF. They set him up for a big score
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Laws are reactive by nature, not preventive. Something most people don't understand, same thing as the lock on your front door, it's to keep honest folk out. If I wanted in it takes me less than 2 secs to get in.
I never understood that honest part about the lock, I am honest but I would never try your door to enter. I may sneak on to your porch to get out of the weather but I would never touch the door. Hell around here lately with the new plastic siding they just rip off 2 or 3 sections and kick out or cut the sheet rock.

One guy even said that at least he didn't have to replace the whole door assembly.
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Ak 104 I disagree with this thought. "One man with a gun can control a thousand men without." If the homosexuals had attacked 1 man in Orlando not as many would have died.
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