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Old 03-20-2017, 11:23 PM   #106
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Take real testosterone and get labs done or take nothing at all.
Real men take tren
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Old 03-21-2017, 03:17 AM   #107
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Because despite falling test levels, levels of dht may stay the same or rise. DHT is what causes prostate problems.
Test and dht compete
For the same receptors, so as test falls, the prostate picks up more dht

That's interesting, will have to check into it.

ETA: Found this article in a quick search, good info but a bit confusing.

https://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/reform8.htm


"A considerable chunk of my workday is always spent answering people's questions about prohormones and steroids. Of course, one of the biggest concerns people have is about estrogen and estrogen related side effects. Right behind that however are questions about DHT. It seems that people have the misconception that DHT is some evil androgen byproduct that serves no purpose in the body but to make our prostates blow up and our hair fall out.

The real situation is of course much more complex. DHT is one of those good guy/bad guy hormones that is sorely misunderstood. For many people, it is NOT something that you want to reduce or eliminate in the body. For some others though, keeping DHT levels under control is probably a prudent course of action. Knowing the facts about DHT will help you decide just which group you belong to."
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Old 03-21-2017, 06:18 AM   #108
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Actually tren is a androgenic compound, better to take test with a eq or deca bas
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Old 03-21-2017, 06:43 AM   #109
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Actually tren is a androgenic compound, better to take test with a eq or deca bas
Best never to take anything without test as a base.

That said... trenbolone master race!!!
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Old 03-21-2017, 08:37 AM   #110
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Ever heard of shots?
Yes, I have heard of them.

And they induce the same dangerous effect in a small percentage of people like me.

That is, massive overproduction of red blood cells and dangerous clotting being the result.

If just ONE blood clot travels to your heart.......
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Old 03-21-2017, 09:29 AM   #111
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Yes, I have heard of them.

And they induce the same dangerous effect in a small percentage of people like me.

That is, massive overproduction of red blood cells and dangerous clotting being the result.

If just ONE blood clot travels to your heart.......
Increased rbc production is a result of testosterone and other derivatives.

Sorry you experience those complications.
You are that 1 guy who had a weird side effect and is listed in the warning label.
Congrats
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Well just know that increasing Testosterone will increase your chance of prostate cancer, heart disease + others. But if it makes you feel better go for it.
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Old 03-21-2017, 10:11 AM   #113
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Well just know that increasing Testosterone will increase your chance of prostate cancer, heart disease + others. But if it makes you feel better go for it.
Actually, this guy makes a good case for quite the opposite.....There are some limited studies cited in this book that show a correlation between low T and prostate cancer and heart disease. You don't hear of many 25 years olds with prostate cancer.
https://www.amazon.com/Testosterone-...osterone+books
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Increased rbc production is a result of testosterone and other derivatives.

Sorry you experience those complications.
You are that 1 guy who had a weird side effect and is listed in the warning label.
Congrats
I know. My luck.

And my testosterone levels are VERY low according to my doc too, so I could really benefit from Androgel or T-shots EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THEY WOULD LEAD TO MY DEATH IN SHORT ORDER FROM BLOOD CLOTS.

And I know they won't make me 20 years old again but it would be nice not to go around tired and weak all of the time.

On the other hand, a colleague in my department at my university starting taking Androgel and has done GREAT on it and feels MUCH better. NO blood clots for him. The lucky dog.
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I know. My luck.

And my testosterone levels are VERY low according to my doc too, so I could really benefit from Androgel or T-shots EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THEY WOULD LEAD TO MY DEATH IN SHORT ORDER FROM BLOOD CLOTS.

And I know they won't make me 20 years old again but it would be nice not to go around tired and weak all of the time.

On the other hand, a colleague in my department at my university starting taking Androgel and has done GREAT on it and feels MUCH better. NO blood clots for him. The lucky dog.

Curious if something like proviron would work for you.
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Legio... (Besides low T) What is your medical condition? Donating blood or Rx phlebotomies will lower HCT/RBC.

Doubt proviron alone would help him... Prob better off w/ low dose adex if really scared of test.
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It acts like l-arginine converting to nitric oxide, improving blood flow.
Yeah that's what I've heard. My blood pressure was good(lower than 6 months ago) when I went to the doc. The beet powder could be a factor and I'm guessing my dietary changes and lifestyle have been helping. I'm also really stressed and maybe my bp would be better without that factor. Either way the doc was happy or at least as happy as any doctor that's on the clock.
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Old 03-21-2017, 06:57 PM   #118
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Legio... (Besides low T) What is your medical condition? Donating blood or Rx phlebotomies will lower HCT/RBC.

Doubt proviron alone would help him... Prob better off w/ low dose adex if really scared of test.
Yeah, arimidex would likely help.
Proviron would give him the androgen of effects he would want if he needed it
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Get some Chilean bullshark testosterone
Chilean Bull shark Testosterone ? Sounds like something you spray on fishing lures .
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Old 03-21-2017, 07:17 PM   #120
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Best never to take anything without test as a base.

That said... trenbolone master race!!!
Key to being natural Tren hard and eat Clen
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Old 03-21-2017, 07:22 PM   #121
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Yeah, arimidex would likely help.
Proviron would give him the androgen of effects he would want if he needed it
... But might also shut down his already low endo T production (conflicting studies). I like proviron, but would never use it alone. He also isn't getting a script for proviron where he may swing one for adex... Adex will help him produce more endo T if he takes a dose that doesn't crash his E2.

At the end of the day... There is no substitute for TESTOSTERONE in TESTOSTERONE REPLACEMENT THERAPY.... I don't know the root of his blood clotting issues but I have personally managed my own high HCT w/ simple blood donations.
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One more thing......

DrJarHead were you a real Dr in the military??
No. Lowly enlisted man.

Got out, went to college, worked at Mayo and then went to med school.

That's the short version.


FWIW, there are no docs in the Marines. Docs are Navy which the Marines are a branch of.
There might be a way to be a Marine and then work as doc in the Navy but I've never seen or heard of one.
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Old 03-21-2017, 08:03 PM   #124
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no one needs extra testosterone... eat more red meat... avoid veggies soaked in pesticides and herbicides because they act like synthetic estrogen when eaten... broccoli is a natural way to lower estrogen in your body...
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no one needs extra testosterone... eat more red meat... avoid veggies soaked in pesticides and herbicides because they act like synthetic estrogen when eaten... broccoli is a natural way to lower estrogen in your body...
How does one avoid said veggies?
I agree with the red meat part.
Diet is super important, as is managing stress and physical activity.

And I think everyone needs more test
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no one needs extra testosterone... eat more red meat... avoid veggies soaked in pesticides and herbicides because they act like synthetic estrogen when eaten... broccoli is a natural way to lower estrogen in your body...
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no one needs extra testosterone...
That's funny.

Test is what makes a man a man, and when it begins to lower naturally you fall apart slowly but assuredly.
Mentally, Physically you begin to age and lose your youthful vigor , and majority of that is based on TESTOSTERONE

There's a reason Sylvester Stallone looks as big as ever in his life at age 70....it's not Broccolli.
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Great book!
It a must read!
My recommendation to read about testosterone deficiency - https://eddrugs2017.com/testosterone...n-go-together/
And natural ways to boost testosterone - https://naturaltestosteronepills.com. Like supplements or natural pills. Great stuff!

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Actually, this guy makes a good case for quite the opposite.....There are some limited studies cited in this book that show a correlation between low T and prostate cancer and heart disease. You don't hear of many 25 years olds with prostate cancer.

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i didn't know worrying about low T production was a real thing. Aren't guns enough testosterone?

unless it's a discussion about increasing your load, then that's just taking like 4 pills of sunflower lecithin, LOL.
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i didn't know worrying about low T production was a real thing. Aren't guns enough testosterone?

unless it's a discussion about increasing your load, then that's just taking like 4 pills of sunflower lecithin, LOL.
You fail... Hard.
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and how! we're talking stupid amounts blasting out! North of Peter North!
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