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Old 11-28-2016, 09:21 AM   #1
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Looks like classic firearms is offering an all-American AK built by a Riley Defense.

Anyone know if this is a decent rifle, or another in the line of the RAS-47 and IO?

I'm betting on another cheap AK with cast trunnions but if anyone can speak in their defense, do so now.

http://www.rileydefense.com/
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Old 11-28-2016, 09:27 AM   #2
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Well I don't know and until I hear bad stories, I give benefit of doubt
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Old 11-28-2016, 09:33 AM   #3
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Looks like classic firearms is offering an all-American AK built by a Riley Defense.

Anyone know if this is a decent rifle, or another in the line of the RAK-47 and IO?

I'm betting on another cheap AK with cast trunnions but if anyone can speak in their defense, do so now.

http://www.rileydefense.com/
click the pictures...https://www.classicfirearms.com/rak-...-riley-defense the fifth picture underneath the main one on the page. it clearly says RAK47 under the receiver in front of the magwell
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Old 11-28-2016, 09:48 AM   #4
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click the pictures...https://www.classicfirearms.com/rak-...-riley-defense the fifth picture underneath the main one on the page. it clearly says RAK47 under the receiver in front of the magwell
That was my bad, Century makes the RAS-47, not RAK-47
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gotcha. rak47 is suspect. century after all makes the rak1 trigger....
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You should contact the manufacturer, ask all questions, and then edit Post #1.

Then bump the thread. Ask what kind of front trunnion, cast or steel, bolt carrier, etc

Ive never heard of them, and I wont buy anything unproven again
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Old 11-28-2016, 10:11 AM   #7
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I wont buy anything unproven again
+1. Too many reliable and dependable and known options at the same or similar pricing as new options on the market. Let other customers be the test subjects.

Not to mention it is probably better to wait for AK market prices to normalize before buying an AK now.
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looking at their expanded photos from their site using the magnification tool, it appears the rear sight leaf is cast, and rear trunnion appears to be as well. they have that "texture". Also, you can see a casting line on the lower side on the front sight block in the left most facing full rifle view picture. in a full right side facing photo, you can see the top cover resting on/rubbing against a rear trunnion rivet. it also appear to sport the same cheap shit wood as IOs AKMc.
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looking at their expanded photos from their site using the magnification tool, it appears the rear sight leaf is cast, and rear trunnion appears to be as well. they have that "texture". Also, you can see a casting line on the lower side on the front sight block in the left most facing full rifle view picture. in a full right side facing photo, you can see the top cover resting on/rubbing against a rear trunnion rivet. it also appear to sport the same cheap shit wood as IOs AKMc.
So it sounds like the same turd just with a different name.
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Old 11-28-2016, 10:20 AM   #10
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it also appear to sport the same cheap shit wood as IOs AKMc.
Alot of things about it look "IO-ish" to me too...

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Old 11-28-2016, 10:25 AM   #11
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The RAK 47 on the receiver could be for Riley AK.

But be damned if that doesn't look like an IO. It says they are out of Charlotte.... IO used to run out of Monroe. Royal tiger is still in NC right? And they are still associated with IO.....Maybe some connection.
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Royal tiger is still in NC right? Maybe some connection.
I think they run/ship from Palm Bay, FL

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Unless it is a true Combloc AK for a great deal, I wouldn't buy from Classic. They have no shame pawning off trash to make a buck.
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Old 11-28-2016, 10:40 AM   #14
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Hhhhhmmmm.... Your right Royal tiger does list a Florida address.

But if they operated here in the past... Who's to say they may not be trying to operate here again? They would likely still have some contacts here still, and Let be honest... IO could be trying to pull a Vulcan/Hesse play and establish a new name. Because at this point... Most people in the know, already know IO is well, IO.

Amusing that classic refers to the rifles as having "polish style" furniture, and the manufacturers website says the receiver is "milspec stamped" being IO always tried to say it was all "polish milspec!"

Either it's somehow related to them, or someone got played into making guns from IO parts.
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...but according to Classic's website it has a better finish than any other AK currently on the market.
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Old 11-28-2016, 11:18 AM   #16
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I think they run/ship from Palm Bay, FL

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Maybe its a good thing I'm leaving Palm Bay and headed to Hamilton Co. People are starting to associate IO and Palm Bay with a pile of warm stepped in doggie doo-doo...
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Wait for the newbie grunts to get it and see what happen. It does look like an IO though. Kinda weird how this Riley company just flew right under radar lol. Watch this random ass rifle be just as good as saigas lmao.
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Smells a lot like someone fired up the old NC I.O. toilet and started pushing them out again.
Price, unknown builder, lack of material details, suspect looking metal and stocks, no bueno.
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Smells a lot like someone fired up the old NC I.O. toilet and started pushing them out again.
Price, unknown builder, lack of material details, suspect looking metal and stocks, no bueno.
Good to go for me!
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I've seen them on classicfirearms. I don't trust em. Sounds like an IO in the making. Why buy one of these when you can get an m92 for $470 free shipping today?
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From Classics website under brutus's description it noted the trunion and bolt carrier are investment castings that are xrayed etc with a hardness of 48rc. Notes the bolt is a forging and they use 4140 steel buy not sure if that includes the casting.

Curious how the investment castings hold up over time. No thanks
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The company's address listed on the web site is in Charlotte, about 15 minutes from where I live and work, not Monroe. Although I'm funny about Classic Firearms as they have shamelessly pushed a lot of junk in the past. Maybe this one is good to go, maybe not, but the rifle still has castings. That screenshot above is my email the company responded to
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Dasan find another builder?

Are these not even WBP cast shit?

At least with my PSAK47 gen1 has a billet bolt that isn't cast and a lifetime warranty. A shame they dropped them...

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Looks like classic firearms is offering an all-American AK built by a Riley Defense.

Anyone know if this is a decent rifle, or another in the line of the RAS-47 and IO?

I'm betting on another cheap AK with cast trunnions but if anyone can speak in their defense, do so now.

http://www.rileydefense.com/
Another all American AK?
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Old 11-28-2016, 01:36 PM   #26
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The design doesn't come with a recoil buffer, so maybe that means the geometry is correct to operate without one?

The wood appears to be the same as found on the IO AKM-247C

The finish is blued, not parkerized like on the IO rifles.
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The design doesn't come with a recoil buffer, so maybe that means the geometry is correct to operate without one?

The wood appears to be the same as found on the IO AKM-247C

The finish is blued, not parkerized like on the IO rifles.
may just be paint over park brother. doesn't look to be bluing in the metal, doesn't reflect the light right.
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Whois information for the domain:

Registrant Name: KARIM KHEIREDDINE
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Registrant Street: 2975 INTERSTATE STREET
Registrant City: CHARLOTTE
Registrant State/Province: North Carolina

Ramzi Kheireddine was head engineer at I.O. last time I had any contact with them. According to Linkedin, Ramzi is no longer with I.O. and now lives in NC. My guess is that Karim is a relative.
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Whois information for the domain:

Registrant Name: KARIM KHEIREDDINE
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Registrant Street: 2975 INTERSTATE STREET
Registrant City: CHARLOTTE
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Ramzi Kheireddine was head engineer at I.O. last time I had any contact with them. According to Linkedin, Ramzi is no longer with I.O. and now lives in NC. My guess is that Karim is a relative.
no wonder I was right about having IO wood and the same polymer
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Registrant Name: KARIM KHEIREDDINE
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Registrant Street: 2975 INTERSTATE STREET
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Registrant State/Province: North Carolina

Ramzi Kheireddine was head engineer at I.O. last time I had any contact with them. According to Linkedin, Ramzi is no longer with I.O. and now lives in NC. My guess is that Karim is a relative.

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From Classics website under brutus's description it noted the trunion and bolt carrier are investment castings that are xrayed etc with a hardness of 48rc. Notes the bolt is a forging and they use 4140 steel buy not sure if that includes the casting.

Curious how the investment castings hold up over time. No thanks
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At Riley Defense Inc., our process is centered on making certain our parts go through a vigorous and meticulous inspection process. Each major part is tested for its mechanical properties such as hardness, strength, and ductility and then followed by a dimensional inspection with the use of fixtures and in some cases measuring certain components with our CMM equipment.

After the quality control parts process, we start grouping all the mating components, for example labeling and matching every receiver with a trunion and every trunion with a barrel to guarantee that the trunion holes are concentric to the receiver holes which ensures the assembly is straight. We also make sure every barrel has the right amount of interference fit to the trunion to reduce stresses that are induced in the trunion.

It is very important that the trunion is riveted to the receiver first, and then the barrel is pressed into the receiver/trunion assembly. We NEVER use the barrel as a bucking bar, which causes the rivets to eventually move out of place after firing a few hundred rounds of ammunition. After the barrel has been set into the trunion, we populate the sights and gas block and check them with extremely precise lasers. Then its on to the assembly lines to attach all other components, such as furniture, trigger components, etc

Following rifle assembly, five rounds of ammunition are fired to test the rifle for function and operation and then it is on to the quality control department for a thorough cleaning and final inspection before packaging and shipping.
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I took a look at only one of the rifles on their website here is what I notice



strange crease marks on the rsb, T guard metal and mag catch look paper thin. If you notice the mag catch doesn't engage the magazine. Odd coloration on the gas tube? looks like someone missed a few times pinning the fsb.

I checked the other rifles, all the mag catches have a large gap in their engagement. This will cause a failure to feed if there is any downward play in the seating of the magazine.

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Following rifle assembly, five rounds of ammunition are fired to test the rifle for function and operation and then it is on to the quality control department for a thorough cleaning and final inspection before packaging and shipping.
Only 5 rounds? Should do more than that imo.
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looking at their expanded photos from their site using the magnification tool, it appears the rear sight leaf is cast, and rear trunnion appears to be as well.
Even Combloc rear trunnions are cast chief.....so don't sweat that.

AK Stocks are just support......not like AR stocks where the BCG recoils into it.

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