Any Vietnam Vets experience this?

[Trotsky39]

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54165

Vietnam déjà vu
by Melanie Morgan
Posted: February 9, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern

There's an effort under way by liberal revisionists to rewrite history about
the anti-war left's horrible treatment of Vietnam veterans, just as they
prepare to besmirch the good efforts of veterans in the war on terrorism.

The groundwork for these shenanigans was laid by associate professor Jerry
Lembcke of Holy Cross College in Worcester, Mass., and his book, "Spitting
Image: Myth, Memory, and the Legacy of Vietnam."

Lembcke, who was an active member of Vietnam Veterans Against the War,
claims that Vietnam veterans lied about the treatment they received, and
that it was in fact war supporters who were disrespectful toward veterans
for failing to do a better job prosecuting the war.

This is the most absurd and disingenuous propaganda to come from the radical
left in quite some time, but what is most disturbing is to see how such
misinformation is being used as a tool by anti-war liberals to undermine
public support for the war on terrorism.

MSNBC's liberal chieftain, Keith Olbermann, advanced Lembcke's attempts at
revisionist history last week, making the following declaration on the Feb.
1, 2007, broadcast of "Countdown with Keith Olbermann":

And, oh, by the way, there is not one confirmed case, not one, of Americans
spitting on veterans returning from Vietnam.
Olbermann and Lembcke are either deliberately lying, or they're not making
much of an effort at all to find the truth.

After putting out a call over the airwaves of the "Lee Rodgers & Melanie
Morgan Show" on KSFO 560 in San Francisco, I began to receive a stream of
statements by Vietnam veterans who were spit upon. These upstanding veterans
were disgusted by the attempt of anti-war liberals to whitewash their
shameful behavior in the past, in an attempt to improve their image in the
debate over the war effort today.

It breaks my heart, and has reduced me to tears, to think about how
ungrateful our nation was to those who served their country and risked their
lives in service to the United States military. Here's a small sampling of
the many, many accounts I received.

First, consider the moving words of Larry from San Ramon:

Unfortunately, I was one of the U.S. servicemen that had the opportunity to
be spat upon during the Vietnam era. I was a member of the Air Force
(1969-1973). This happened to me in travels through Seattle and Oakland
airports. I held my head straight and wore their "gift" as a badge of honor,
but inside it broke my heart.
Karl from Vacaville, a former American Legion post commander, wrote in with
this account:

I served four years that overlapped from the end of the Vietnam War and into
the post-Vietnam Cold War period. The U.S. Army by that time was giving out
warnings regarding the wearing of our uniforms in public (i.e., don't do
it), but they also insisted that if we traveled around town (even in
civilian dress) that we hang out in groups of four or more because the
likelihood of getting beat-up by the "antis" was very high. I personally
suffered verbal abuse (called "baby killer," etc.). I have been spat on and
once was kicked out of a Seattle café right after the waitress addressed our
group (there were five of us) with the words, "What the f--- are you doing
here?!"
Peter of Concord gave this account:

In 1965, I was stationed at Treasure Island in the Navy. I had graduated
from Beverly Hills High School in June 1962, and many of my friends had gone
to Berserkley! I joined the Navy instead. Several times I visited my friends
in their frat houses along Collage Ave. in uniform. Walking down College
Ave. I was accosted by numerous pothead students with long hair, dirty
clothes, who smelled really bad. On several occassions, they spit on me,
called me "baby killer!" and threw garbage at me! My friends pleaded with me
not to visit them wearing my Navy blues. I also had to buy a wig so these
miscreants would not see my close haircut! It was not pleasant. .
The abuse by the degenerates of the anti-war left against our troops during
the Vietnam War is not a myth - it is the truth.

The Washington Post is reporting this week that a new era of anti-war
veterans are now working to provide a veteran's face to the ruthless efforts
of liberal political activists to undermine the war effort.

Calling themselves "Vote Vets," they are a front group for a collaboration
of organizations, including MoveOn.org and Americans United for Change - two
groups that were strong supporters of Sen. John Kerry in the 2004 election.

The Kerry connection is important because, as the Washington Post admitted,
Kerry has been involved, along with Democrat congressional leaders Nancy
Pelosi and Steny Hoyer, in working out a strategy to advance their agenda.

As the Post reported: "Sen. John F. Kerry, D-Mass., who appeared with four
veterans yesterday morning, said he saw parallels between VoteVets.org and
Vietnam Veterans Against the War, the group of protesters he led during
Vietnam."

We can't allow them to succeed. We can't allow these vile people to turn the
war against terrorism into another Vietnam era. The men and women who serve
this military deserve better, as did those fine people who fought bravely
more than 30 years ago, only to come home to be spit upon.

[drjarhead]

Not a VN vet but I went in 1975. Had people drive by in cars yelling me, calling me baby killer, etc. Threw beer bottles from cars as they went by, that sort of thing.

I know more than a few vets who have told me such things about when they came back from Nam.


Socialists lie, it's what they do.

Never trust the socialist, they are expert at lies and propaganda.

[glockgangsta]

+1 Commies are full of shit

My uncle has some homo spit on his Army uniform in a airport and he told me he kicked the hippie in the nutz 4 it

[swabbie]

Nobody spit on me when I came home from Nam,cause the Navy made us wear civilian clothes.They said it was bad PR for the military if we retaliated against people.

[Trotsky39]

Sorry to hear that guys. Thanks for your service in difficult times.

These socialists are completely unbelievable and without scruples.

[7.62Blaster]

Originally Posted by glockgangsta

+1 Commies are full of shit

My uncle has some homo spit on his Army uniform in a airport and he told me he kicked the hippie in the nutz 4 it

Yes, it's a sad thing, you would think kids would grow out of the "Mislead fantasy perfect world phase" most do, but....

Some don't, and they kill, lie, and deceive to make there perverted realitys real.

We call these people Communists, or Socialists(Really the same thing, one is just a step to the next)

[Trotsky39]

+1 7.62Blaster. Socialist=Commie=Nazi=evil

A couple of months ago I saw a couple of Baby Boomers in a rebuilt VW van, painted all flower power and "Give Peace a Chance" and dozens of anti-Bush, anti-war, anti-America bumper stickers, the whole hippie nine yards.

I roled down the window as they drove past in the parking lot and shouted "grow the F___ Up, you dumbass kids! And get a job!"

Look on their faces was priceless, since I am so much younger than they are.

[SF Mike]

The spitting stories are pretty much a lot of BS, something that took on a life of its own.
Early 80s or late 70s I believe Bob Green from the Chicago Sun-Times did a book on this. He was unable to find a confirmed story.
We did have some things going against us, but they were more subtle than spitting.
Some vet's organizations were reluctant to take us, but that changed.
Same with employment. Biggest problem came from movies and tv. We were popular as maladjusted, dope-crazed psychos. I'm not saying everything was hunky-dory, but like the rest of life, it's what you make of it.
When they put up "The Wall in '82, publically funded in a drive headed by vets, things began to change.
The VA got a lot more efficient and open and addressed VN issues. A big step was outreach and vet centers.
The BIG mistake came in the 90s when a lot of the centers were cut back and they started handing out way too liberal diagnoses of PTSD that included a paycheck.
Ever whiner, crybaby and general malingerer swarmed out of the woodwork and remain there today. They are being paid to mantain a debateable condition instead of being encouraged to work through it.
A lot of us feel that way. So many of us worked so hard over the years to disprove the negative image of VN Vets. These clowns are getting paid to preserve it.

[Kevin Quinlan]

I never saw, nor experienced, spitting. The banashment was usually more subtle.
Haircut gave you away for the first 4-6 weeks.
What really fried my ass was the VFW refused to let us join. Now all the old fu&#s are now dying so they keep sending me 'invitations.' You can kind of expect crap treatment from civilians. They don't know better. Fellow vets? Fu&k the VFW.

[16r40]

Originally Posted by Trotsky39

After putting out a call over the airwaves of the "Lee Rodgers & Melanie
Morgan Show" on KSFO 560 in San Francisco, I began to receive a stream of
statements by Vietnam veterans who were spit upon.

I'm just wondering if the "vast majority" of these VN vets are posers, wannabes

[CAMPYBOB]

What really fried my ass was the VFW refused to let us join.

no shit? i never heard about that in my area. that's pretty weird that they would allow 'nam vets to join.

[Trotsky39]

Yeah, what was their justification or did anyone ever receive and explanation?

[Kevin Quinlan]

Originally Posted by Trotsky39

Yeah, what was their justification or did anyone ever receive and explanation?

The VFW's position was Vietnam was not a "war" it was a "police action." Once their members started dying off they changed their position. I have not heard if they 'permit' the guys from Iraq, and Afganastan to join.

[drjarhead]

Originally Posted by SF Mike

The spitting stories are pretty much a lot of BS, something that took on a life of its own.
Early 80s or late 70s I believe Bob Green from the Chicago Sun-Times did a book on this. He was unable to find a confirmed story.
We did have some things going against us, but they were more subtle than spitting.
Some vet's organizations were reluctant to take us, but that changed.
Same with employment. Biggest problem came from movies and tv. We were popular as maladjusted, dope-crazed psychos. I'm not saying everything was hunky-dory, but like the rest of life, it's what you make of it.
When they put up "The Wall in '82, publically funded in a drive headed by vets, things began to change.
The VA got a lot more efficient and open and addressed VN issues. A big step was outreach and vet centers.
The BIG mistake came in the 90s when a lot of the centers were cut back and they started handing out way too liberal diagnoses of PTSD that included a paycheck.
Ever whiner, crybaby and general malingerer swarmed out of the woodwork and remain there today. They are being paid to mantain a debateable condition instead of being encouraged to work through it.
A lot of us feel that way. So many of us worked so hard over the years to disprove the negative image of VN Vets. These clowns are getting paid to preserve it.

Chicago Sun-Times?

And what would make such a story "confirmed"?

What about my stories?
All bullshit I suppose.
If that's what happened to me it is sure not much of a reach to believe that is what happened to vets actually returning to Viet Nam.
And why even protest at the airports?
I suppose it was a welcoming committee from more of you scumbags who "support the troops."

And what about the Vets I know who told me it happened to them?
I guess your socialist asshole journalist didn't talk with them.
I wonder just who exactly he did talk to.
Maybe no one.
Maybe not one fucking vet.

And just WTF does "SF" stand for?

Socialist Fuck would be my guess you c-s-ing FIB POS.


You and your kind are going to get what's coming to you one of these days. I live for the day.

[glockgangsta]

Jarhed dont B takin NO shit from Commies

[Trotsky39]

Originally Posted by Kevin Quinlan

The VFW's position was Vietnam was not a "war" it was a "police action." Once their members started dying off they changed their position. I have not heard if they 'permit' the guys from Iraq, and Afganastan to join.

That's the craziest garbage I've ever heard of! WTH?!

[ftierson]

I was never treated poorly by civilians during the couple of trips that I took across the US (Ft Lewis to upstate New York) in uniform returning from my two tours in Vietnam...

Of course, the first going west was at the beginning of 1968, returning in Jan of 1969 for a month's special leave, then back again and returning in September of 1969...

The spitting crowd hadn't quite gotten up to speed yet that 'early' in the 'police action' ...

But I did hear stories from people I knew...

Forrest

[Bumpadrum]

The abuse while traveling was common knowledge to
Troops (67-69) and I for one became very adept at
changing out of my class A's in cabs, plane lavatories,
and airport bathrooms. Survival.
I looked at it as a way to stay out of jail for beating down some hippies.

[Windustsearch]

Nothing wrong with beating the crap out of hippies.

[ColonelKorn]

Anyone who abuses a vet for no reason (and yes, there are vets who didn't act like perfect angels) deserves to have my foot up their ass.