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Old 01-02-2014, 12:58 PM   #1
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Default Zastava M70 vs WASR 10/63

Hey, guys. New to the site and am loving all the info so far. New to the AK world and had a few questions before I buy one. I've got $550 in giftcards to cabelas and these are the two options for AKs. I've tried to do as many searches of the site as possible but haven't seen a thread comparing these two. The wasr is $479 and the M70 is $599.

I've read that the m70 is a little better built, but is it worth the extra $110? It's also got the thumbhole grip/stock which I'm not a huge fan of. Can that be easily replaced with an adjustable stock and pistol grip? Will both accept double stack mags? Here are pics of the mentioned rifles, thanks in advance for input.



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Hey, guys. New to the site and am loving all the info so far. New to the AK world and had a few questions before I buy one. I've got $550 in giftcards to cabelas and these are the two options for AKs. I've tried to do as many searches of the site as possible but haven't seen a thread comparing these two. The wasr is $479 and the M70 is $599.

I've read that the m70 is a little better built, but is it worth the extra $110? It's also got the thumbhole grip/stock which I'm not a huge fan of. Can that be easily replaced with an adjustable stock and pistol grip? Will both accept double stack mags? Here are pics of the mentioned rifles, thanks in advance for input.



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Or you can just hotlink it and hope there's no goatse involved..
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There we go, thanks!
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There we go, thanks!
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My vote is for the wasr. Standard ak furniture, no cheek slap, cheaper. You'll be happy. Don't get caught up in the "wasr's are crap" bullshit. Today's wasr's are just fine. Almost forgot to mention....wasr has chrome lined barrel.
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That is an n-pap not a m70
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My vote is for the wasr. Standard ak furniture, no cheek slap, cheaper. You'll be happy. Don't get caught up in the "wasr's are crap" bullshit. Today's wasr's are just fine. Almost forgot to mention....wasr has chrome lined barrel.
Non chrome is more accurate.
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Old 01-02-2014, 01:09 PM   #9
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Hmmm. Century's website, which is garbage, has it listed an N-PAP m70.
http://www.centuryarms.com/manuals/p...e/index.html#1
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My wasr took a lot to get running smooth but I learned alot. Start there and branch out, get the yugo too.
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great examples of WASRs out there. all depends on who CAI contracted to build them. i wouldn't recommend ordering a WASR from an online retailer, but pick one out yourself from off the rack (if possible). the M70s seem to be more consistent in their build quality. woudln't hesitate to order one online.
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I have a 10/63 that runs like a tank. I don't think the extra $110 is worth it, use the difference to buy ammo!

Before anyone shits the bed over the above comments, I also have several M70s variants and love them. I just don't think for someone's first AK that the difference is worth the money.

If the WASR whets his appetite, then he can add a N- or O-PAP to his collection (or the PAP M70 shown in the pic, the "original" Gen 1 PAP). Just be aware those came in county as single-stack magazine rifles, and some had issues being modified to double-stack but retained the original single-stack bolt).
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I have a 10/63 that runs like a tank. I don't think the extra $110 is worth it, use the difference to buy ammo!

Before anyone shits the bed over the above comments, I also have several M70s variants and love them. I just don't think for someone's first AK that the difference is worth the money.

If the WASR whets his appetite, then he can add a N- or O-PAP to his collection (or the PAP M70 shown in the pic, the "original" Gen 1 PAP). Just be aware those came in county as single-stack magazine rifles, and some had issues being modified to double-stack but retained the original single-stack bolt).
So, would both rifles accept double stack magazines? I notice that the synthetic stock version has an oval like indentation right above where the magazine fits it. Is that for a tighter fit or will that require special magazines.

Sorry, as you can see, I'm quite the AK novice. Always been more of a handgun guy.
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wasr, that pap might be the old single stack bolt model.
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if weight is any consideration, the PAPs have a bit more heft to them than a stock WASR.
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if weight is any consideration, the PAPs have a bit more heft to them than a stock WASR.
I definitely noticed that. Also noticed that the stock was quite a bit longer that the wasr which was a bit more comfortable.

Is there an easy way to tell if it will only accept a single stack?
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Thats the original...2nd gen pap. single stack tgat has been modded. at that price go with the wasr. imo
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So, would both rifles accept double stack magazines? I notice that the synthetic stock version has an oval like indentation right above where the magazine fits it. Is that for a tighter fit or will that require special magazines.

Sorry, as you can see, I'm quite the AK novice. Always been more of a handgun guy.
They should, but both were originally imported as single-stack rifles. They were converted and made 922r compliant before being initially sold.

There is a chance that the PAP is still a single stack. Some of that model was brought in like that, but it will be obvious by looking at the magazine well. If so, steer clear as mags are scarce and expensive.

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I notice that the synthetic stock version has an oval like indentation right above where the magazine fits it. Is that for a tighter fit or will that require special magazines.
Sorry, forgot to answer this question. That indentation (known as a "dimple") is just to reduce the magazine wobble. Some receivers have them, some don't. Many times those with them still wobble, which usually doesn't affect the function of the rifle but some people find it annoying.
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wasr, that pap might be the old single stack bolt model.
2nd that..it may be the single stacker, so opt for the WASR
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Check out the M10 on You Tube. It's a great rifle, barrel is chromed and has a picatinny rail to hang a reflex sight (1x). They look great but cost $630. It's Romainian.
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I wasn't able to check it out that thoroughly, but I did get to see inside the box it came in. Came with 2 mags that were full size, one steel, one plastic. Do the single stack only rifles take a smaller mag?
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This is my wasr. Has more then a few thousands rounds down, never had any problems. Other then tapco mags need to be shaved to fit. But I use all steel surplus mags so doesn't bother me.


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This is my wasr. Has more then a few thousands rounds down, never had any problems. Other then tapco mags need to be shaved to fit. But I use all steel surplus mags so doesn't bother me.


Did you buy that wood furniture or refinish it yourself. If you bought, where from?
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I bought all the wood cuz my wasr came tapco'd with a folding stock and galil style handgaurd. Just picked up some generic wood furniture that was cheap on gun broker. Sanded it down, stained, and clear coated it. I posted it on here
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The indentation on the mag well area is called a dimple and it's there for structural support NOT to reduce mag wobble. The WASR's don't have it, instead they have a steel plate welded in there which does the exact same job and is just as rigid perhaps more so. It's only a visual thing if you must have it.

Mag fitment and wobble is controlled by the size of the mag well opening AND the supports on the bottom of the inside rails. These are cut down to fit. In fact, even if the mag well is bigger than it needs to be and these supports are right you will have no or little wobble.

Long way of saying that the dimples really don't mean anything, the wasr just doesn't happen to have them.

FWIW, get the 10/63 version of the wasr. It has a removable muzzle brake and a side scope rail both of which you'll want.
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Looks like your Cabelas has the same options as mine.

Neutered WASRs and Yugo PAPs.

Out of those two....probably the WASR.

Or sell the gift cards for a slight loss and use the cash to buy whatever you want.
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Your going to spend at least a 150 ish in 922r parts if you wanna make the m70 into a stand type m70 with a pistol grip, assuming it has all foreign parts. You'll have a better rifle at the end of the day but it will cost you. Problem is all the furniture isnt standard ak furniture so it usually costs more.
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Looks like your Cabelas has the same options as mine.

Neutered WASRs and Yugo PAPs.

Out of those two....probably the WASR.

Or sell the gift cards for a slight loss and use the cash to buy whatever you want.
Bold added above-Just know the WASR is without bayonet lug and a welded muzzle nut.
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Boyonet lug isn't that big of a deal, and welded nut can be easily taken of as long as it's just the simple tac weld. Then order the detent and spring from cnc warrior and install. Or get the yugo either one you will love and end up buying more AKs so it doesn't matter which one you start with
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Probably leaning towards the WASR and use the extra coin for ammo. Only problem is that I called up there to have them hold one and they are out... Looks like I'll have to wait for a bit.
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WASR 10/63 if its a good straight one is as good as any AK ever made.... it fires every time you pull the trigger, holds minut of dinner plate at 100 yards.....

look, you can get you a sweet little tight bodied honey, and man is she a looker.... but at that moment of truth, with your eyes clamped closed and calling to God for salvation... a fat girl works just as well.... all your really interested in is making sure it goes bang when you pull the trigger.....

people talk shit about the WASRs, but they work.... no, that doesn't help with your new corvette driving need to make up for a small penis..... but if your hung well enough to be ok with it..... they make a hell of a gun.....


now, I'm gonna go bone the old lady, clearly I seem to have the poonfruit on the mind today......
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Easy fixes. Good hobby gun.

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When I was recently AK shopping I had a close look at two different WASR's and what I was seeing the assembly was poor. Sounds like it's hit or miss as far as quality (same situation holds true for Zastava PAPS). I also looked at a Few N-PAPS and they were far more precisely assembled. I ended up buying a really nicely built O-PAP off Gunbroker for $575 , the only reason I jumped for an online sale is the fact I was able to view the rifle in person as it was a sale within a reasonable driving distance local to me.
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That is an n-pap not a m70
Get an opap. If they aren't around, wait a month.
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