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Old 10-01-2013, 12:24 AM   #1
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Default Thoughts on how to escape Obamacare?

It looks more and more like I am going to have to find a way to escape Obamacare.

My only ideas so far are:

1) Leave the country

2) Fly under the radar (read: earn cash and become a non-entity as far as the IRS is concerned)

3) Find a loophole. *

*Note: I will NOT claim to be a member of a Christian-murdering fake religion just to use a loophole.

My current status is single, living on my own, age 38, gross income approximately $35K per year, white, Christian.

Ideas on how to escape this tyrannical law? I have been taxed and extorted to the breaking point and I have decided to take a stand here.
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*Note: I will NOT claim to be a member of a Christian-murdering fake religion just to use a loophole.
Would that work? im down...
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Old 10-01-2013, 12:37 AM   #3
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I have heard wisps that Muslims and Christian Scientists can be excluded. I guess I could look into the doctrine of Christian Science and see if I can ethically claim it.
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It looks more and more like I am going to have to find a way to escape Obamacare.

My only ideas so far are:

1) Leave the country

2) Fly under the radar (read: earn cash and become a non-entity as far as the IRS is concerned)

3) Find a loophole. *

*Note: I will NOT claim to be a member of a Christian-murdering fake religion just to use a loophole.

My current status is single, living on my own, age 38, gross income approximately $35K per year, white, Christian.

Ideas on how to escape this tyrannical law? I have been taxed and extorted to the breaking point and I have decided to take a stand here.
"You're Fucked" comes to mind.
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Old 10-01-2013, 12:42 AM   #5
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Do you not have health insurance currently?
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Join a union and get an exemption (even though unions pushed for bummer care).
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the phrase, "just say no" comes to mind.
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Grab your ankles buddy this is gonna hurt!!
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Refuse to comply and when they come for you, make'em pay.
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Old 10-01-2013, 05:53 AM   #10
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I'm doing NOTHING............not a damn thing.


If we all did NOTHING........they'd have a problem, wouldn't they?
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Old 10-01-2013, 06:09 AM   #11
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Have the feeling it's gonna be delayed or at minimum not enforced hard first year.
Filing a tax return extension gets a person to October next year. Should be obvious by then what they are gonna do....but "taking a stand" implies repercussions. Declining will be felonious, and all that goes with being a felon....unless you are getting a return and they silently deduct the $95.
In any case...surely won't be alone.
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Old 10-01-2013, 07:50 AM   #12
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the bill clearly states that it is no to be aggressively enforced. no liens on property or jail time, only fruitless lawsuits, which cant be enforced. im claiming the exact number of dependents on my w4 all year so my return is zero and im not giving them a dime. come and take if they want it. im going to let my ffl go expire and not renew it and that will conclude my ties to the fed. fuck 'em.
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Old 10-01-2013, 09:28 AM   #13
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pay the fine and call it a day. Insomuch as they plan to jam you with penalties via the IRS if you don't use it...you are pretty screwed. Tracking you with a SSN...

Not sure you can work and then escape the reach of DC...maybe your leave the country plan is the best idea..but go where. I can only name 1 country I would head to..that is New Zealand...you can still own SOME firearms (semi autos like AKs an ARs are not allowed I am pretty sure) Or you can go down under and live with Twistie on here..He is down in Tasmania...but I wouldn't want to be ruled by Sydney...

pay the fine...what's it supposed to be $400...suck it up pay the fine and call it a day or sign up for Bongo care which even Faux news is now claiming its not so bad...


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It looks more and more like I am going to have to find a way to escape Obamacare.

My only ideas so far are:

1) Leave the country

2) Fly under the radar (read: earn cash and become a non-entity as far as the IRS is concerned)

3) Find a loophole. *

*Note: I will NOT claim to be a member of a Christian-murdering fake religion just to use a loophole.

My current status is single, living on my own, age 38, gross income approximately $35K per year, white, Christian.

Ideas on how to escape this tyrannical law? I have been taxed and extorted to the breaking point and I have decided to take a stand here.
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Old 10-01-2013, 10:27 AM   #14
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For anyone who has asked me so far, I reply in english,

"...well I don't speak english because I'm undocumented & unafraid - so (all) my medical is free. Isn't yours?"

...Wait for their reaction, its priceless!

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Old 10-01-2013, 10:35 AM   #15
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Here is a great link for the exemptions. You have to APPLY for them. The key word is APPLY, these do not automatically exempt you. It's not stated in the link, but they will evaluate your income and how much money you make over the poverty line.

So, quit your job, beat up your wife or kids (that will exempt them), Don't pay your utilities and then burn your house down. That should cover you for a few exemptions...LOL! After you get incarcerated that will qualify you for another.

https://www.healthcare.gov/exemptions/

Simply claiming you are a Muslim will not exempt you. You have to be part of a documented religious sect THAT DOES NOT PAY SOCIAL SECURITY. Like the Amish. There are other exemptions that apply as well, but the key is being legally exempt from paying social security benefits. Contrary to popular internet rumors most true Muslims will not be exempt either if they pay social security.

Be careful guys, the fine is not $95.00 per person. It's $95.00 OR 1% or your income which ever is GREATER. So if you make $50,000 a year your "shared responsibility" (what a joke!) is $500.00 per person, not $95.00. It goes up significantly after each year.

This is being controlled by the IRS, so they are going to know if you don't pay it.

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Old 10-01-2013, 12:01 PM   #16
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It looks more and more like I am going to have to find a way to escape Obamacare.

My only ideas so far are:

1) Leave the country

2) Fly under the radar (read: earn cash and become a non-entity as far as the IRS is concerned)

3) Find a loophole. *

*Note: I will NOT claim to be a member of a Christian-murdering fake religion just to use a loophole.

My current status is single, living on my own, age 38, gross income approximately $35K per year, white, Christian.

Ideas on how to escape this tyrannical law? I have been taxed and extorted to the breaking point and I have decided to take a stand here.
I can't imagine doing any of those things over paying a few hundred dollars a year. I'm not for Obama care at all , as of right now I pay $325 a month for insurance on my own for my son and I . It has been going up $20 every year since I had it . I'm expecting maybe to go up a little more when this takes effect. Yes it sucks but I want insurance and since I'm self employed I get to write it off, so it's really not a big issue.
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Old 10-01-2013, 12:33 PM   #17
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Like Nancy said in the 80's, "Just say no!!!" Massive non compliance is the only way we can stop them. One or two they can get, but just a few thousand would overwhelm them.
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Old 10-01-2013, 01:20 PM   #18
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How hard is it to receive a shutoff notice from a utility, and thus get a hardship exemption? Simply dont pay or 3 months?
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How hard is it to receive a shutoff notice from a utility, and thus get a hardship exemption? Simply dont pay or 3 months?
You're right, that's the easy part, simply don't pay them. You then have to APPLY to get the exemption. Then the IRS will evaluate your income based on how much money you make above or below the poverty line. It's not that easy. A person earning $100,000 a year making a late payment on purpose will not exempt them from the fine. There is an evaluation process. The utility company will have records of on time payments.
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Used to be the only certainties in life were death and taxes..now its death, taxes and BongoCare expenses...

I don't think you can run far and escape...you will either need to pay the fine or get insurance...They will sic the IRS on you...or go to work for a large corporation that has many insurance plans open to employees...


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It looks more and more like I am going to have to find a way to escape Obamacare.

My only ideas so far are:

1) Leave the country

2) Fly under the radar (read: earn cash and become a non-entity as far as the IRS is concerned)

3) Find a loophole. *

*Note: I will NOT claim to be a member of a Christian-murdering fake religion just to use a loophole.

My current status is single, living on my own, age 38, gross income approximately $35K per year, white, Christian.

Ideas on how to escape this tyrannical law? I have been taxed and extorted to the breaking point and I have decided to take a stand here.
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the phrase, "just say no" comes to mind.
I am saying no. You might all even be lucky enough to see my court case: AyKay vs. USA.

What are they going to do; put me in jail for refusing to be forced into purchasing a product?!?!

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Like Nancy said in the 80's, "Just say no!!!" Massive non compliance is the only way we can stop them. One or two they can get, but just a few thousand would overwhelm them.
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It is a capitation, and not apportioned, therefore illegal. Since it is a tax on non-performance it becomes a "per-head" tax on the person due to it's individual nature. Article 1, Section 9, Clause 4.
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Become the biggest most unproductive piece of shit the world has ever seen and ObungholeCare will magically become free. If you convince them of your royal unworthyness and you impress them enough, you will probably get the same Cadillac healthcare plan Congress has.
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I am saying no. You might all even be lucky enough to see my court case: AyKay vs. USA.

What are they going to do; put me in jail for refusing to be forced into purchasing a product?!?!

+1. if its so great why is obama, congress, senate exempt?
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I don't care if anyone buys their insurance at the new exchanges, or has private insurance, or carries none at all, however if you don't have any, I don't want my tax dollars to pay for your ER visit the next time you need medical care.

The freeloaders with no insurance and who use the ER is what got us in this mess to begin with.
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I don't care if anyone buys their insurance at the new exchanges, or has private insurance, or carries none at all, however if you don't have any, I don't want my tax dollars to pay for your ER visit the next time you need medical care.

The freeloaders with no insurance and who use the ER is what got us in this mess to begin with.
Since the borders have been left wide open, you can expect a huge influx of freeloaders with no insurance. You will see an infinite stream of illegal scum skipping across the border to get their free heathcare. It was a big problem before, but you haven't seen nothing yet!
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It looks more and more like I am going to have to find a way to escape Obamacare.

My only ideas so far are:

1) Leave the country

2) Fly under the radar (read: earn cash and become a non-entity as far as the IRS is concerned)

3) Find a loophole. *

*Note: I will NOT claim to be a member of a Christian-murdering fake religion just to use a loophole.

My current status is single, living on my own, age 38, gross income approximately $35K per year, white, Christian.

Ideas on how to escape this tyrannical law? I have been taxed and extorted to the breaking point and I have decided to take a stand here.
Can you claim to be a Native American if so your exempt.
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Can you claim to be a Native American if so your exempt.
Or run for congress.
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Get elected to congress then you'll be exempt and the rest of us will have to pay for your healthcare.
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Why should I pay a fine for something I don't want nothing to do with?
Just so I can help pay for someone elses portion.
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Why should I pay a fine for something I don't want nothing to do with?
Just so I can help pay for someone elses portion.
Don't forget, the SC says it is a tax, not a fine.
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It is a capitation, and not apportioned, therefore illegal. Since it is a tax on non-performance it becomes a "per-head" tax on the person due to it's individual nature. Article 1, Section 9, Clause 4.
And now you understand Robert's decision on the case. At the time the case went to the SCOTUS, the tax had not been collected, and the case had no merit. After Jan 1, 2014, it's open game. If they'd said "fine", then it was game over right then and there.

Also the fact it originated in the Senate, and taxes have to originate in the HOR. Double whammy.

Believe me, more court cases are coming because of this, but we have to ride the train a little longer. Not getting my hopes up too high, but the fight will continue.
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And now you understand Robert's decision on the case. At the time the case went to the SCOTUS, the tax had not been collected, and the case had no merit. After Jan 1, 2014, it's open game. If they'd said "fine", then it was game over right then and there.

Also the fact it originated in the Senate, and taxes have to originate in the HOR. Double whammy.

Believe me, more court cases are coming because of this, but we have to ride the train a little longer. Not getting my hopes up too high, but the fight will continue.
Still don't trust the Slimey Court...

However the thought of even a small number of people refusing to comply and making their way up the nasty climb to the 'premes as a class... Mmmmm...
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