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Old 07-12-2013, 03:19 PM   #1
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Did not know where else on the forum to ask this But can any one tell me what these are going for now a days? Czechpoint VZ58 with folding stock, that is not yet installed. And does anyone know how hard it is to switch out the stocks?
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I think a $1,000 easy for a Czechpoint but I am no Vz expert. I see them in that range a lot. I think even the lower quality Century builds with American barrels are nearly a $1,000.
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So if it is a Century build, then the receiver will be stamped "century" correct?
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So if it is a Century build, then the receiver will be stamped "century" correct?
Should be.
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Century are VZ-2000 and would have the CAI stamp. Czechpoint would have that marked on it.

Changing stock is easy.
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I should add that that muzzle break is not what Czechpoint uses. They just have a cap. That was either added or this is a kit build

What does the receiver say?
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I should add that that muzzle break is not what Czechpoint uses. They just have a cap. That was either added or this is a kit build

What does the receiver say?
I asked the seller that, and he sent this pic



From What I have read is this is the better one, but will the modifications made to the muzzle break reduce its resale?

It looks like it was done well:

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That is czechpoint. Sorry I forgot that what they are on the reciever. Not that is a preferred break. Be aware its permanently attached because the barrel otherwise would be a touch under the 16 inches required. If its not permanently attached you better make sure that gets done quick or you are in possession on an unregistered SBR.

How many mags with it? How many rounds through it?
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Did not know where else on the forum to ask this But can any one tell me what these are going for now a days? Czechpoint VZ58 with folding stock, that is not yet installed. And does anyone know how hard it is to switch out the stocks?
I'd highly recommend you get the vz.58 It's the real Czech import because it's from Czechpoint and has is a DTechnik receiver. Hammer forged chrome lined Czech barrel. Milled receiver. Folding stock very easy to put on. Other accessories readily available. vz.58 is lighter and handier than the AK. A natural pointer and very accurate. I could go on and on. Oh, can't forget....FUN TO SHOOT!!!
Wow, he's got the bayonet lug and folding stock included? How much is he asking?
go to Czechpointusa.com
vz.58 going for $1100 nowadays.
Folding stock assy. $118
To get the bayonet lug installed - big deal. A lot of $$$
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I would jump all over that.

D-Technik is the real deal.
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And does anyone know how hard it is to switch out the stocks?
A picture's worth a thousand words: Nalioth's Vz58 Pictorial

There's a few hundred thousand word's worth in that pictorial (including a few pictures on "how easy it is to change the stock")
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A picture's worth a thousand words: Nalioth's Vz58 Pictorial

There's a few hundred thousand word's worth in that pictorial (including a few pictures on "how easy it is to change the stock")
Wow N!!! a fellow vz.58 enthusiast! (I never knew)
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I'd highly recommend you get the vz.58 It's the real Czech import because it's from Czechpoint and has is a DTechnik receiver. Hammer forged chrome lined Czech barrel. Milled receiver. Folding stock very easy to put on. Other accessories readily available. vz.58 is lighter and handier than the AK. A natural pointer and very accurate. I could go on and on. Oh, can't forget....FUN TO SHOOT!!!
Wow, he's got the bayonet lug and folding stock included? How much is he asking?
go to Czechpointusa.com
vz.58 going for $1100 nowadays.
Folding stock assy. $118
To get the bayonet lug installed - big deal. A lot of $$$
He wants 1,000.00 with 4 mags. He says it has had less than 100 rounds through it..
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I'd highly recommend you get the vz.58 It's the real Czech import because it's from Czechpoint and has is a DTechnik receiver.
Are you sure that this isn't a kit gun built on a DT receiver? I thought that all of the Czech imports had the bayo lugs milled off, like this:

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Are you sure that this isn't a kit gun built on a DT receiver? I thought that all of the Czech imports had the bayo lugs milled off
Correct.

Either it is a parts gun on the D-Technik receiver or there was gunsmithing done after purchase.
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So what is a vz-2008? How does it compare to the vz.58?

http://centerfiresystems.com/rifle-vz58hc-fold.aspx
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Are you sure that this isn't a kit gun built on a DT receiver? I thought that all of the Czech imports had the bayo lugs milled off, like this:

You're right. It must be a parts kit build. Or, like Scott said, it had some gunsmithing to add the bayonet lug.
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So what is a vz-2008? How does it compare to the vz.58?

http://centerfiresystems.com/rifle-vz58hc-fold.aspx
vz-2008 is the Century build.

vz.58 is the real deal Czech rifle imported by CzechpointUSA.

Do your research and get a vz.58. You won't regret it.
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Century are VZ-2000 and would have the CAI stamp. Czechpoint would have that marked on it.

Changing stock is easy.


century builds are marked vz2008 , the Canadian version I believe is vz858 .I have a century one and love it ! its a nicer platform than the ak in a few ways and mine turned out to be solid as a rock.smooth,milled, and light! as to OP , at least $850 and up for these

im trying to change out the folder for the solid beaverpuke stock on mine , and its a bitch ! I used blue Loctite, big mistake. it moved some ,now slot is getting fed up . may weld a nut on it and get a new bolt or just dremel it off and touch it up. normally, its real easy though........ I prefer the solid stock .ymmv

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The vz2008 with the folding stock is selling on Center fire systems for $599.
I cant find a vz58 but the czeckpoint web site list them as just over $1000.
As far as I cal tell they are all shipper here as sporters and remilled (for double stack) and get US made parts. I wish they would/could be remilled for AK mags.
Is the czeckpoint version that much better than the CAI is it worth the price tag difference? CAI seems to be trying a little harder these days.
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the vz2008 uses an American barrel(green mountain I believe), American receiver . the vz2008 also has the bayo lug and can run import mags without swapping mag parts for 922r . the czechpoint is a truer build , but im happy with mine as-is . for the $499 I paid , im happy with it
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The vz2008 with the folding stock is selling on Center fire systems for $599.
I cant find a vz58 but the czeckpoint web site list them as just over $1000.
As far as I cal tell they are all shipper here as sporters and remilled (for double stack) and get US made parts. I wish they would/could be remilled for AK mags.
Is the czeckpoint version that much better than the CAI is it worth the price tag difference? CAI seems to be trying a little harder these days.
Read details on rifle at CzechpointUSA and you will quickly realize why you should get the real deal. Worth the extra dough. glad I got mine Jan. 2012 pre-craziness at $800 shipped, no FFL transfer fee.
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Read details on rifle at CzechpointUSA and you will quickly realize why you should get the real deal. Worth the extra dough. glad I got mine Jan. 2012 pre-craziness at $800 shipped, no FFL transfer fee.

do you shoot 7.62x39 CORROSIVE ammo ? that WAS a good price , never again though
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do you shoot 7.62x39 CORROSIVE ammo ? that WAS a good price , never again though
Nope. I shoot Wolf and TulAmmo (NON-CORROSIVE steel cased Russian)
What everybody shoots. vz.58 eats it like candy just like AKs.
I got lucky and got all my "military style" rifles in 2011 and early 2012.
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The only big difference i am seeing is that the czeckpoint has a chrome lines barrel and CAIs does not. CAI uses a US made receive and barrel and Czeck remills the old receiver.
It just does not seem worth the extra money.
A few hundred for a chrome lined barrel.
Is CAI using old parts kits or something?
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I agree , I like my vz2008 and it just runs like a top. would I trade it for a vz58 straight up ? probably . would it be really any different except for bragging rights,chrome lined barrel for non-corrosive ammo anyways , and the LACK of a bayo lug ? not to me ....just my opinion its kinda like saying all the akm's in this country are pure crap because they weren't smuggled in as-is from Europe. other than saigas and vepers , THEY ALL ARE PARTS GUNS !!! btw ,century got these right. no gun-snobs were meant to be harmed by this message ....rock on........

actually the vz58 and wasr10 have a lot in common........come in to the country neutered ,then get updated here. same damn thing. the ones with she on the receiver, now your talking

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The only big difference i am seeing is that the czeckpoint has a chrome lines barrel and CAIs does not. CAI uses a US made receive and barrel and Czeck remills the old receiver.
It just does not seem worth the extra money.
A few hundred for a chrome lined barrel.
Is CAI using old parts kits or something?
No sir, you're missing the BIG difference.

CAI uses "AMERICAN MADE" non-chromed barrels. These barrels are near absolute sh**, compared to the milspec Czech barrels used in the Czech-made Vz58s.

Also the receivers Century used are made by a company notorious for their sh** products, and whose attitude was "We're perfect - that receiver with manufacturer's defects isn't our fault - it's yours".

Sorry, but the "extra money" is quite worth it to me.
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And if you ever had the chance to examine, hold, dry fire etc... a vz-2008 (CAI) and a Czechpoint Vz.58 side by side, you would immediately know the difference in both feel and appearance. People like N and others who know are trying to steer you right. Remember, you get what you pay for.
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I know a lot of happy Vz2008 owners, myself included...
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I trust Nolioths opinion so if i go looking for one ill look for a Czeckpoint.
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I love my VZ58 Very well built!
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