AK-47.net bans discussions of Arsenal/K-VAR!

ZOID ZODIAN · 03-08-2004, 11:11 PM

The Guns Network and AK-47.net have banned all discussions of Arsenal Inc from Nevada (the Bulgarian licensed arsenal) and K-VAR. Does anyone know why?

stevepm · 03-08-2004, 11:33 PM

I'm currious also.
I followed the thread over here hoping to find out.
Great forum.

OsmanDinga · 03-08-2004, 11:44 PM

I'd like to know as well. Does anyone get the impression that the main admin there needs to learn some TACT?

stevepm · 03-08-2004, 11:50 PM

It is their forum, but I've seen them realy jump on some people for what I considered meanial.

For what it's worth

Texas Patriot · 03-09-2004, 07:53 PM

Guns Net.......Aren't they the same guys that had a "protected status" given to one of their mods or chief contributors who was also an "AK assembly smith" that finally got in big time trouble with the Kansas Attorney General?

IIRC, he was taking everybody's kits, receivers and $$'s promising reasonably quick turn around times and then taking up to 2 years or more and still not getting the finished product back out to the owners. Turned out to be a real scam artist, but the Guns Net crew would not tolerate any negative criticism about this guy.

Maybe now, they are just avoiding any controversy whatsoever?

This has got my curiosity up too.

Ought Six · 03-09-2004, 07:55 PM

KVAR has been advertising on AK-47.nuts since day one. Arsenal is not only an advertiser, they have their own manufacturer's forum there. As 'Deep Throat' said, "follow the money".

MiniZ · 03-09-2004, 08:04 PM

Actually KVAR has not sponsored Gunsnet in a long time-hence the reason they are finally "banned".

There was a short lived banning(KVAR would appear as XXXX in posts).
I guess they are going to try and get it to stick this time.

sniper69 · 03-09-2004, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ought Six

KVAR has been advertising on AK-47.nuts since day one. Arsenal is not only an advertiser, they have their own manufacturer's forum there. As 'Deep Throat' said, "follow the money".

I believe it is two different arsenal companies. The one with the forum at gunsnet is global trades/arsenal usa. K-var is arsenal inc.
Here is a thread about the k-var issue there click here

if the link doesn't work let me know and I'll post the contents of the message. By no means am i saying I agree with gunsnet on the issue, but then again it isn't my site. I see it as I'll buy from whoever has the best price and best customer service. Besides I need to place another order with k-var tonight or tomorrow for some stuff they have.

I think the issue goes with the fact that k-var doesn't pay advertising dollars to gunsnet so they don't want them mentioned. This came from a past thread about k-var having cheaper waffle mags than joeken and it came out about joeken being a paying advertiser and k-var wasn't. This is what I remember anyway and if I can find that thread a link will be posted to it.
so has the money been followed?

ZOID ZODIAN · 03-09-2004, 09:26 PM

On 03/08/04, there was a lengthy thread with many replies, including posts by moderators.

From what I can remember reading before the thread was deleted, the administrators referred to:

1) The owner of Arsenal being a lowlife (I took them to task for this one) and that we would never buy any more of their products if we knew the truth. This "truth" was something they were curiously unwilling to discuss, even to the point of threats. SUSPICIOUS POINT NUMBER ONE.
2) They referred to a member of that board being a "yes-man" for Arsenal, but again, would not provide details as to why this is bad. (We all are yes-men for our favorite products at times). SUSPICIOUS POINT NUMBER TWO.
3) They confirmed that the problem was a "relationship" issue between the Gunsnet and Arsenal's "tactics" as they termed it. It is not a safety issue having to do with Arsenal's products.
4) There were repeated veiled threats to board participants not to even bring up the subject anymore.

All of this is highly suspicious, and suggests a number of possibilities:

1) Moderators of Gunsnet are pissed at what they perceive Arsenal/K-VAR to be using their forum for "free advertising" in the form of mostly positive posts from certain board members. Gunsnet approached Arsenal to get them to pay for advertising and were summarily rebuffed. (This is my own personal opinion as to what happened: Arsenal probably indicated that they already pay for advertising on AKFiles and the K-VAR forum, and do not NEED AK-47.net).
2) Arsenal approached the Gunsnet for whatever concession they wanted, using strong-arm or other unethical tactics. The administrators' posts on the deleted thread were phrased in such a way that they would like us to THINK that is what happened, but I for one do not believe it. I side with choice 1.
3) AK-47.net learned some behind-the-scenes information that Arsenal/KVAR are doing something to hurt/hamper/discourage participation on the Gunsnet website, since it "competes" with the forums that Arsenal/KVAR participate in.
Again, a possibility, but I still side with choice 1.

Blicerode · 03-10-2004, 08:42 AM

Dthorns usual business practices, I see.

The site is a joke. The mods are a joke. A year from now they'll have half as many members. In eighteen months they'll be advertising beanie babies.

Thanks again,Jen for this site.

SPINE · 03-11-2004, 01:01 AM

joeken, wayne,and all the piss poor smiths that pony up coin are ok ??? global trades would be wise to pull the plug before it's to late!

SPINE · 03-11-2004, 01:17 AM

obtw don't forget how they pissed on lois at centerfire!

ThunderGod · 03-11-2004, 12:11 PM

Umm, take a look at some of the Sponsor banners for this site. Coincidence?

ErikJL · 03-11-2004, 08:20 PM

I was banned for expressing my distaste for their "pay-only" conversion. F-them. There are plenty of other good sites, like this one, where you're not guilted into sending them money to "support" the site. BS- their servers are still slow as hell.

ZOID ZODIAN · 03-11-2004, 08:43 PM

Folks, I am just as proud as I can be of the fact that with my last post on AK-47.net I was able to get them to admit that there is no first amendment on their forum.

I had long suspected that such was the case, but I am glad I got them to ADMIT IT.

That is as good an excuse as any not to participate in their forum anymore.

I kind of like this forum, and I privately e-mailed several Gunsnet members inviting them to join us over here. So, we'll see...

Sheik Yerbouti · 03-11-2004, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPINE

obtw don't forget how they pissed on lois at centerfire!

Can you elaborate on this? I only started reading over there recently. Why would anyone want to do Lois dirty?

ErikJL · 03-11-2004, 08:53 PM

I'm curious to hear about this as well!

spray-n-pray · 03-11-2004, 09:39 PM

I have pretty much given up on gunsnet.

They used to have the best group of members for AK topics. But then they decided that you have to pay to read the content generated by other members. Then they keep the people who pay for access in the dark about the best sources & prices for purchases. Who in the hell is going to pay for censored info - censored for gunsnet financial gain ? LOL

I have come to the decision that I really don't care for the business practises of the owners/mods. It isn't any one hot button issue, just the weight of all the sh*t they have pulled in the last year.

I have been a voluntary contributor to gunsnet in the past (as well as any other forum I frequent - bills have to be paid). I won't be sending them another dime ever. I think I'll just double my annual contribution to Jen instead. More importantly, I will never mention gunsnet to any vendor I purchase from.

I hope that this forum grows, the host is much more personable.

s & p

ZOID ZODIAN · 03-11-2004, 11:01 PM

Well, I just noticed that the powers-that-be at Guns-Not have deleted the entire thread where we pointed out their embarassing and childish stifling of the first amendment.

I just hope somebody out there downloaded it and will be kind enough to put it back on the internet where it can live forever...

223 · 03-13-2004, 01:52 AM

I bet they got really pissed when their longtime lacky JoeKens long awaited Bulgy mag fiasco got undercut by KVAR.

Then they always have their other famous lacky Chief Thunder,or is he in jail?

ZOID ZODIAN · 03-13-2004, 08:11 PM

Looks like I just got banned from Goonsnet! After hearing that they had banned "right-clicking" on anything to download it, I went back into my photo gallery and erased all my photos. Since then I can't even get the forums to display.

Somebody on AR15.com had a similar problem and the person answering says this means you've been banned.

Oh well...they benefitted more from me than I did from them.

SangRun Hunter · 03-14-2004, 12:01 AM

I quit being a mod due to the ORF thing. The KVAR thing really made me mad. I mean how can you tell your whole membership that a name of a huge vendor is banned?

I'm banned now and I'm happy! Who cares! I spent so much time swallowing my words it wasn't funny. Now I hear from friends that I am being accused of stealing site content or some crap.

I just paid them $70 for membership fees since the begining of the year.

BTW: Hi everyone!

ZOID ZODIAN · 03-14-2004, 12:08 AM

I'm not sure I know what the 'ORF' thing was. I spent most of my time at the Bulgarian section, so the Arsenal/K-VAR thing was to me like telling Mario Andretti he can't talk about Chevy engines.

I've been toggling back and forth between this website and www.gunco.net/forums so I already don't even feel like I'm missing anything with Goonsnet.

AR15.com is okay, but never impressed me that much. I've been checking in to watch them hurl invective at The Forbidden Zone, but even I'm beginning to look at this in a positive note: it's time to move on; it's time to support websites that don't have psychos working for them. I think between this and Gunco, there is more than enough participation to keep everybody happy. I've been deliberately doing a lot of posts to Gunco just so people will find something interesting to talk about, but I'll do some more posts here, too, so's not to play favorites--at least not yet!

SangRun Hunter · 03-14-2004, 12:22 AM

The ORF deal was his denial of the fact they build great rifles as well as Inrange, The post are gone over there, but they live on at AR15.

Both of those vendors make great product and have great service. He didn't like people saying so on the review section which I was modding. I quit modding as it was the last straw for me and I pulled back from the board.

Some of my last post have even vanished over there.

What happened was I had a really busy weekend and wasn't on the forums very much. I missed a post that was basically and advertisement for ORF. Of course that is against the rules and I don't blame him too much on that. I had no idea it happened and when I explained I had family issues he said my family was no excuse. He basically said I had a duty to the board.

Oh, I kept the whole trascript of the PM's that went back and forth between me and him.

It's sick! He thinks his mods are slaves to his site from what I can tell.

Can any mod honestly say he or she is on 24/7?

I remember being a mod over there and having an issue I needed his advice on and he never replied. That actually happend many times.

The pay per view forum membership crap was another factor in my quitting too.

That place is going into a nose dive!

ZOID ZODIAN · 03-14-2004, 12:24 AM

Pay Per View! I didn't know about that one either!

SangRun Hunter · 03-14-2004, 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZOID ZODIAN

Pay Per View! I didn't know about that one either!

What I mean is you have to be a bronze level to see many different forums.

The main one was the BIY forums and it was a way to generate more cash.

BTW: We are under attack at my new place by a person called Obiegeweherkanobi. He is sending e-mail about me being a plagerizer and what not.

Someone has been trying to hack me really hard since lastnight on my PC. Can you believe these tactics?

Is it that bad? They have to smear people and act like 13 year olds?

ErikJL · 03-14-2004, 01:01 AM

Glad to see you've joined the exodus, SangRun. I agree totally with the nosedive comment. The Admin there need to pull their heads out before it's too late.

sniper69 · 03-14-2004, 06:00 AM

the pay to view forums there - BIY 1 and the lounge. Most who contributed to the BIY 1 forum - and helped make it what it is are no longer there. Why should someone have to pay to view threads they have participated in?

jerrymrc · 03-14-2004, 06:54 AM

ZZ. It was there. When I tried to look up building a AK-47
That is where you will find the "Money wall"

sniper69 · 03-14-2004, 08:26 AM

..

scubadvr · 03-14-2004, 12:17 PM

Guys the great thing about this hobby are the choices. With that, it takes all kinds. Frankly, you read and browse, you will find a board or boards that meet your needs. This has, is and will be a great board. Choice, its kind of the American way.

Agcsy · 03-14-2004, 07:16 PM

SHR i posted in the ORF review that Dthor decided was an ad and i am the one who probably ended up getting it locked. ATM i do not own a ORF gun but i have fired and handled an ak build and a fal built by them both were fine guns. I pretty much posted that and put up a pic of an ORF krink and a mod'd WASR-10 that atlantic firearms sales made by ORF. Well Joe Joe the dancing anus clown aka Dthor decide that i was a "shill" and started talking wicked shit and locked the thread. So i apologize if i may have played a part in your being given the boot from ak-47.net . I just hope others over there realize how blind their loyalty to this dthor guy is and what may happen if they fail to march in step.

***Jen*** · 03-14-2004, 07:44 PM

Yeah, the pay per view thing happened relatively recently.

I personally think it's a great way for them to kill their board among the other stupid things that go on there like banning talking about certain vendors.

Anyways, To all those seeking refuge - Welcome Aboard. Grab a chair, sit back and enjoy!

SangRun Hunter · 03-14-2004, 07:54 PM

Agcsy,

No problem with you at all. My mind was made up to leave a while back when I couldn't stand selling my soul to the Devil come to the internet anymore.

Here's a snippet from one of my last PM's with him.

I was explaning to him why I had not been on the board that weekend.

Me:
My kid was sick and my Mom needed me over the weekend not too mention I tore the basement door out of the back of my house over the weekend had to cut the foundation out for a new one.

David:
Well, I am sorry but I got problems here as well I deal with each and everyday but I don’t use them as excuses.

It's a no brainer! When I saw this paragraph I knew it was time to go!

CAMPYBOB · 03-15-2004, 07:36 AM

well...since jen chimed in!!!

folks, to hell with the dorknutz!

this board offers far more.

zoid, did you know that jen rebuffed thorton long before you did?

in a few short months this board has plowed davey into the dirt. davey is railing against the new gunco board...laughing at how small it is.

well, assaultweb (spun away from the dorknutz) was once small. so was the ak side of ar15. so was this place.

gradually, ANY board soon leaves the insanity of the hyena pack in the dust.

pull up a chair and surf the falfiles and the akfiles! you will find truthfulness and honesty here.

03-08-2004, 11:11 PM	#1
ZOID ZODIAN Member AKaholic #: 1468 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 163	AK-47.net bans discussions of Arsenal/K-VAR! The Guns Network and AK-47.net have banned all discussions of Arsenal Inc from Nevada (the Bulgarian licensed arsenal) and K-VAR. Does anyone know why?

03-09-2004, 07:53 PM	#5
Texas Patriot Member Contributor AKaholic #: 354 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: SE Texas Posts: 214	Guns Net.......Aren't they the same guys that had a "protected status" given to one of their mods or chief contributors who was also an "AK assembly smith" that finally got in big time trouble with the Kansas Attorney General? IIRC, he was taking everybody's kits, receivers and $$'s promising reasonably quick turn around times and then taking up to 2 years or more and still not getting the finished product back out to the owners. Turned out to be a real scam artist, but the Guns Net crew would not tolerate any negative criticism about this guy. Maybe now, they are just avoiding any controversy whatsoever? This has got my curiosity up too. __________________ TEXAS.........the land of the free, and the home of the brave!

03-09-2004, 07:55 PM	#6
Ought Six Member AKaholic #: 618 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 72	KVAR has been advertising on AK-47.nuts since day one. Arsenal is not only an advertiser, they have their own manufacturer's forum there. As 'Deep Throat' said, "follow the money". __________________ "The AK-47 is not a device of aggression.... I devised this machine-gun for the security of my country." -- Mikhail Kalashnikov --

03-11-2004, 12:11 PM	#13
ThunderGod Veteran Member Bronze Contributor AKaholic #: 62 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: N. Texas Posts: 1,598	Umm, take a look at some of the Sponsor banners for this site. Coincidence? __________________ "Sounded as tho' there was a bit of a squabble." Blind Pew "Squabble? They're all dead!" Mister Moon "All? Must 'ave been more of a tiff, then." Blind Pew Fire Your Guru Neither Bee, nor Borg.

03-14-2004, 12:22 AM	#24
SangRun Hunter Member AKaholic #: 1832 Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 53	The ORF deal was his denial of the fact they build great rifles as well as Inrange, The post are gone over there, but they live on at AR15. Both of those vendors make great product and have great service. He didn't like people saying so on the review section which I was modding. I quit modding as it was the last straw for me and I pulled back from the board. Some of my last post have even vanished over there. What happened was I had a really busy weekend and wasn't on the forums very much. I missed a post that was basically and advertisement for ORF. Of course that is against the rules and I don't blame him too much on that. I had no idea it happened and when I explained I had family issues he said my family was no excuse. He basically said I had a duty to the board. Oh, I kept the whole trascript of the PM's that went back and forth between me and him. It's sick! He thinks his mods are slaves to his site from what I can tell. Can any mod honestly say he or she is on 24/7? I remember being a mod over there and having an issue I needed his advice on and he never replied. That actually happend many times. The pay per view forum membership crap was another factor in my quitting too. That place is going into a nose dive! __________________ The real SangRun Hunter.

03-08-2004, 11:33 PM	#2
stevepm New Member AKaholic #: 1798 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Alabama Posts: 2	I'm currious also. I followed the thread over here hoping to find out. Great forum.

03-08-2004, 11:44 PM	#3
OsmanDinga New Member AKaholic #: 1799 Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1	I'd like to know as well. Does anyone get the impression that the main admin there needs to learn some TACT?

03-08-2004, 11:50 PM	#4
stevepm New Member AKaholic #: 1798 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Alabama Posts: 2	It is their forum, but I've seen them realy jump on some people for what I considered meanial. For what it's worth

03-09-2004, 08:04 PM	#7
MiniZ Member AKaholic #: 204 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 90	Actually KVAR has not sponsored Gunsnet in a long time-hence the reason they are finally "banned". There was a short lived banning(KVAR would appear as XXXX in posts). I guess they are going to try and get it to stick this time.

03-09-2004, 09:26 PM	#9
ZOID ZODIAN Member AKaholic #: 1468 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 163	On 03/08/04, there was a lengthy thread with many replies, including posts by moderators. From what I can remember reading before the thread was deleted, the administrators referred to: 1) The owner of Arsenal being a lowlife (I took them to task for this one) and that we would never buy any more of their products if we knew the truth. This "truth" was something they were curiously unwilling to discuss, even to the point of threats. SUSPICIOUS POINT NUMBER ONE. 2) They referred to a member of that board being a "yes-man" for Arsenal, but again, would not provide details as to why this is bad. (We all are yes-men for our favorite products at times). SUSPICIOUS POINT NUMBER TWO. 3) They confirmed that the problem was a "relationship" issue between the Gunsnet and Arsenal's "tactics" as they termed it. It is not a safety issue having to do with Arsenal's products. 4) There were repeated veiled threats to board participants not to even bring up the subject anymore. All of this is highly suspicious, and suggests a number of possibilities: 1) Moderators of Gunsnet are pissed at what they perceive Arsenal/K-VAR to be using their forum for "free advertising" in the form of mostly positive posts from certain board members. Gunsnet approached Arsenal to get them to pay for advertising and were summarily rebuffed. (This is my own personal opinion as to what happened: Arsenal probably indicated that they already pay for advertising on AKFiles and the K-VAR forum, and do not NEED AK-47.net). 2) Arsenal approached the Gunsnet for whatever concession they wanted, using strong-arm or other unethical tactics. The administrators' posts on the deleted thread were phrased in such a way that they would like us to THINK that is what happened, but I for one do not believe it. I side with choice 1. 3) AK-47.net learned some behind-the-scenes information that Arsenal/KVAR are doing something to hurt/hamper/discourage participation on the Gunsnet website, since it "competes" with the forums that Arsenal/KVAR participate in. Again, a possibility, but I still side with choice 1.

03-10-2004, 08:42 AM	#10
Blicerode New Member AKaholic #: 200 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Illinois Posts: 10	Dthorns usual business practices, I see. The site is a joke. The mods are a joke. A year from now they'll have half as many members. In eighteen months they'll be advertising beanie babies. Thanks again,Jen for this site.

03-11-2004, 01:01 AM	#11
SPINE Member AKaholic #: 1263 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 129	joeken, wayne,and all the piss poor smiths that pony up coin are ok ??? global trades would be wise to pull the plug before it's to late!

03-11-2004, 01:17 AM	#12
SPINE Member AKaholic #: 1263 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 129	obtw don't forget how they pissed on lois at centerfire!

03-11-2004, 08:20 PM	#14
ErikJL New Member AKaholic #: 1651 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 15	I was banned for expressing my distaste for their "pay-only" conversion. F-them. There are plenty of other good sites, like this one, where you're not guilted into sending them money to "support" the site. BS- their servers are still slow as hell.

03-11-2004, 08:43 PM	#15
ZOID ZODIAN Member AKaholic #: 1468 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 163	Folks, I am just as proud as I can be of the fact that with my last post on AK-47.net I was able to get them to admit that there is no first amendment on their forum. I had long suspected that such was the case, but I am glad I got them to ADMIT IT. That is as good an excuse as any not to participate in their forum anymore. I kind of like this forum, and I privately e-mailed several Gunsnet members inviting them to join us over here. So, we'll see...

03-11-2004, 08:53 PM	#17
ErikJL New Member AKaholic #: 1651 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 15	I'm curious to hear about this as well!

03-11-2004, 09:39 PM	#18
spray-n-pray Member Contributor AKaholic #: 929 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 40	I have pretty much given up on gunsnet. They used to have the best group of members for AK topics. But then they decided that you have to pay to read the content generated by other members. Then they keep the people who pay for access in the dark about the best sources & prices for purchases. Who in the hell is going to pay for censored info - censored for gunsnet financial gain ? LOL I have come to the decision that I really don't care for the business practises of the owners/mods. It isn't any one hot button issue, just the weight of all the sh*t they have pulled in the last year. I have been a voluntary contributor to gunsnet in the past (as well as any other forum I frequent - bills have to be paid). I won't be sending them another dime ever. I think I'll just double my annual contribution to Jen instead. More importantly, I will never mention gunsnet to any vendor I purchase from. I hope that this forum grows, the host is much more personable. s & p

03-11-2004, 11:01 PM	#19
ZOID ZODIAN Member AKaholic #: 1468 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 163	Well, I just noticed that the powers-that-be at Guns-Not have deleted the entire thread where we pointed out their embarassing and childish stifling of the first amendment. I just hope somebody out there downloaded it and will be kind enough to put it back on the internet where it can live forever...

03-13-2004, 01:52 AM	#20
223 Member AKaholic #: 658 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 25	I bet they got really pissed when their longtime lacky JoeKens long awaited Bulgy mag fiasco got undercut by KVAR. Then they always have their other famous lacky Chief Thunder,or is he in jail?

03-13-2004, 08:11 PM	#21
ZOID ZODIAN Member AKaholic #: 1468 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 163	Looks like I just got banned from Goonsnet! After hearing that they had banned "right-clicking" on anything to download it, I went back into my photo gallery and erased all my photos. Since then I can't even get the forums to display. Somebody on AR15.com had a similar problem and the person answering says this means you've been banned. Oh well...they benefitted more from me than I did from them.

03-14-2004, 12:01 AM	#22
SangRun Hunter Member AKaholic #: 1832 Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 53	I quit being a mod due to the ORF thing. The KVAR thing really made me mad. I mean how can you tell your whole membership that a name of a huge vendor is banned? I'm banned now and I'm happy! Who cares! I spent so much time swallowing my words it wasn't funny. Now I hear from friends that I am being accused of stealing site content or some crap. I just paid them $70 for membership fees since the begining of the year. BTW: Hi everyone!

03-14-2004, 12:08 AM	#23
ZOID ZODIAN Member AKaholic #: 1468 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 163	I'm not sure I know what the 'ORF' thing was. I spent most of my time at the Bulgarian section, so the Arsenal/K-VAR thing was to me like telling Mario Andretti he can't talk about Chevy engines. I've been toggling back and forth between this website and www.gunco.net/forums so I already don't even feel like I'm missing anything with Goonsnet. AR15.com is okay, but never impressed me that much. I've been checking in to watch them hurl invective at The Forbidden Zone, but even I'm beginning to look at this in a positive note: it's time to move on; it's time to support websites that don't have psychos working for them. I think between this and Gunco, there is more than enough participation to keep everybody happy. I've been deliberately doing a lot of posts to Gunco just so people will find something interesting to talk about, but I'll do some more posts here, too, so's not to play favorites--at least not yet!

03-14-2004, 12:24 AM	#25
ZOID ZODIAN Member AKaholic #: 1468 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 163	Pay Per View! I didn't know about that one either!

03-14-2004, 01:01 AM	#27
ErikJL New Member AKaholic #: 1651 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 15	Glad to see you've joined the exodus, SangRun. I agree totally with the nosedive comment. The Admin there need to pull their heads out before it's too late.

03-14-2004, 06:00 AM	#28
sniper69 Member Bronze Contributor AKaholic #: 538 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: formerly AL, now Germany! Posts: 365	the pay to view forums there - BIY 1 and the lounge. Most who contributed to the BIY 1 forum - and helped make it what it is are no longer there. Why should someone have to pay to view threads they have participated in?

03-14-2004, 06:54 AM	#29
jerrymrc New Member AKaholic #: 1760 Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 14	ZZ. It was there. When I tried to look up building a AK-47 That is where you will find the "Money wall"

03-14-2004, 08:26 AM	#30
sniper69 Member Bronze Contributor AKaholic #: 538 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: formerly AL, now Germany! Posts: 365	..

03-14-2004, 12:17 PM	#31
scubadvr New Member AKaholic #: 1289 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 11	Guys the great thing about this hobby are the choices. With that, it takes all kinds. Frankly, you read and browse, you will find a board or boards that meet your needs. This has, is and will be a great board. Choice, its kind of the American way.

03-14-2004, 07:16 PM	#32
Agcsy New Member AKaholic #: 1114 Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 5	SHR i posted in the ORF review that Dthor decided was an ad and i am the one who probably ended up getting it locked. ATM i do not own a ORF gun but i have fired and handled an ak build and a fal built by them both were fine guns. I pretty much posted that and put up a pic of an ORF krink and a mod'd WASR-10 that atlantic firearms sales made by ORF. Well Joe Joe the dancing anus clown aka Dthor decide that i was a "shill" and started talking wicked shit and locked the thread. So i apologize if i may have played a part in your being given the boot from ak-47.net . I just hope others over there realize how blind their loyalty to this dthor guy is and what may happen if they fail to march in step.

03-14-2004, 07:44 PM	#33
*Jen* Head Babysitter AKaholic #: 3 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 629	Yeah, the pay per view thing happened relatively recently. I personally think it's a great way for them to kill their board among the other stupid things that go on there like banning talking about certain vendors. Anyways, To all those seeking refuge - Welcome Aboard. Grab a chair, sit back and enjoy! __________________ If I am inclined to doubt, steady my faith; if I am tempted, make me strong to resist; if I should miss the mark, give me courage to try again.

03-14-2004, 07:54 PM	#34
SangRun Hunter Member AKaholic #: 1832 Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 53	Agcsy, No problem with you at all. My mind was made up to leave a while back when I couldn't stand selling my soul to the Devil come to the internet anymore. Here's a snippet from one of my last PM's with him. I was explaning to him why I had not been on the board that weekend. Me: My kid was sick and my Mom needed me over the weekend not too mention I tore the basement door out of the back of my house over the weekend had to cut the foundation out for a new one. David: Well, I am sorry but I got problems here as well I deal with each and everyday but I don’t use them as excuses. It's a no brainer! When I saw this paragraph I knew it was time to go! __________________ The real SangRun Hunter.

03-15-2004, 07:36 AM	#35
CAMPYBOB Moderator AKaholic #: 15 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: minerva, ohio Posts: 3,977	well...since jen chimed in!!! folks, to hell with the dorknutz! this board offers far more. zoid, did you know that jen rebuffed thorton long before you did? in a few short months this board has plowed davey into the dirt. davey is railing against the new gunco board...laughing at how small it is. well, assaultweb (spun away from the dorknutz) was once small. so was the ak side of ar15. so was this place. gradually, ANY board soon leaves the insanity of the hyena pack in the dust. pull up a chair and surf the falfiles and the akfiles! you will find truthfulness and honesty here.

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