WTS: Bulgy AK-104/105 FSB Detent Pin Set

iklindo · 10-08-2012, 02:55 PM

Gents,

I'm starting a batch of Bulgy AK-10X pin sets. So far I have the following folks who have committed to buying a set:

1. DOJO
2. Falboy
3. ott1
4. bpittman91
5. gowking
6. HarleyF250Guy x 2
7. Derekthecoonass - Payment received
8. alphadog123 x 3
9. cantshoot4shit
10. varickm - Payment received - Shipped
11. OneEyedJack75 x6 - Payment received
12. I.Oak47 x 2
13. cadence x 2
14. downsouthak
15. jkacg1 - Payment received - Shipped
16. AeroKroil74 x 2 - Payment sent
17. He219
18. Baderrick - Payment received

Please let me know if interested so that I may put you down on the list.

Photos of the finished pin are available below:

https://plus.google.com/photos/11433...01139189762673

Thanks

downsouthak · 10-08-2012, 03:19 PM

Im interesred

cadence · 10-08-2012, 03:30 PM

Are we talking about the FSB detent pin?

iklindo · 10-08-2012, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadence

Are we talking about the FSB detent pin?

That's the one.

cadence · 10-08-2012, 04:10 PM

So if we are talking detent + spring + pin... what would be your price?

I can imagine that stuff like that can be mailed in first class envelope for 60-some cents (it would not be "flat" / machine processed anymore)

If the price is right I could use qty (2) spare sets

iklindo · 10-08-2012, 04:22 PM

Well, It's definitely $20 + shipping. I don't make any money on shipping and don't have time to custom ship. Also, recently I'v had a number of pieces lost by USPS. So, the last thing I want to do is send anything without tracking and insurance.

Derekthecoonass · 10-08-2012, 05:42 PM

I mentioned in the other Yugo thread that I was interested. I am currently ready to buy two Bulgy sets as soon as available.

Based on my understanding there is a difference in the Russian and Bulgarian sets that I have not seen mentioned. I am sure that at least the retaining pin is different between the Russian and Bulgarian types. This is from Tantal's site, and the Bulgarian one is on the left:

I.Oak47 · 10-08-2012, 06:00 PM

i need 2+

iklindo · 10-08-2012, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derekthecoonass

I mentioned in the other Yugo thread that I was interested. I am currently ready to buy two Bulgy sets as soon as available.

Based on my understanding there is a difference in the Russian and Bulgarian sets that I have not seen mentioned. I am sure that at least the retaining pin is different between the Russian and Bulgarian types. This is from Tantal's site, and the Bulgarian one is on the left:

Good point. Lets focus on the Bulgy...

OneEyedJack75 · 10-08-2012, 06:22 PM

I would be interested in 4 Bulgarian sets and maybe 2 more.
Thanks

varickm · 10-08-2012, 06:24 PM

I want a set.

cantshoot4shit · 10-08-2012, 06:41 PM

I would like a set

gowking · 10-08-2012, 08:18 PM

In for at least 3 sets.

-G

gowking · 10-16-2012, 03:31 PM

Any updates to this?

-G

alphadog123 · 10-16-2012, 06:56 PM

I need 3 sets

iklindo · 10-16-2012, 08:58 PM

Ok..ok... Do any of you have calipers? I need the diameter of the cross pin hole. I've made several sets but want to make sure I don't send anything out that doesn't fit.

Derekthecoonass · 10-16-2012, 09:30 PM

The hole is about 0.108" - 0.109"
I can just get a 7/64" drill bit in it. It's snug.

iklindo · 10-16-2012, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derekthecoonass

The hole is about 0.108" - 0.109"
I can just get a 7/64" drill bit in it. It's snug.

Thanks

gowking · 10-16-2012, 10:12 PM

Is that the actual intended diameter or just a pilot hole to be drilled through for a long 3mm pin? How would you remove the cross pin if it doesn't go all the way through?

-G

ott1 · 10-16-2012, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gowking

How would you remove the cross pin if it doesn't go all the way through?

-G

I used EDM to burn it out.

And you're right about that being the pilot hole. You have to drill all the way through the barrel to pin in place.

Anyways, I made my cross-pin 3mm. One can probably use the Bulgy fsb pin diameter of 2.45mm as the lower pin and the cross-pin.

Derekthecoonass · 10-17-2012, 12:19 PM

I think it is supposed to be a blind pin, when seated sits below flush with the top of the hole and then is staked to the left and right to keep it in place.

ott1 · 10-17-2012, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derekthecoonass

I think it is supposed to be a blind pin, when seated sits below flush with the top of the hole and then is staked to the left and right to keep it in place.

It's not.

Derekthecoonass · 10-17-2012, 05:31 PM

I went back and looked at Tantal's site. It says "the pin must either be installed blind or used as a barrel pin". The Russian design is a through pin, looks like Bulgy could go either way; through pin or blind pin. I don't care, I'm ready to buy. Through pin is fine. Blind pin is fine.

http://www.avtomats-in-action.com/parts7.html

Anyone have any reference material beyond Tantal's site or is the knowledge based on what they have seen done before?

gowking · 10-17-2012, 06:55 PM

My vote is for a through pin. I don't like the idea of needing specialized tools to get the pin out for any reason.

-G

Derekthecoonass · 10-17-2012, 08:26 PM

I think iklindo should probably make it as a through pin and if someone wanted to do the blind pin method they would just shorten the pin. No big deal.

ott1 · 10-18-2012, 01:15 AM

The diameter is still important. It should be at least the same diameter or greater than the other pin for the fsb/gb.

Derekthecoonass · 10-18-2012, 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ott1

The diameter is still important. It should be at least the same diameter or greater than the other pin for the fsb/gb.

What did you say that the Bulgy FSB/GB pin was? 2.45mm? That 7/64" drill bit that I barely got in the hole should be 2.778mm/0.109" which is greater, so it would need to be say 2.778 - 3mm in diameter. 7/64" bits being common.....I'd probably go that way.

What do you think?

HarleyF250Guy · 10-18-2012, 07:37 AM

I am down for two sets!

iklindo · 10-18-2012, 11:05 AM

Alright, cool. Just a heads up, I'm going to start making these within the next two weeks. I've been slammed with the M92 pins and the cross pin on the Bulgy has proven to be a little difficult.

iklindo · 10-18-2012, 11:11 AM

I tried O1 Tool Steel Tight-Tolerance Rod, .1094" Diameter and its too thick. Back to the drawing board.

ott1 · 10-18-2012, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derekthecoonass

What did you say that the Bulgy FSB/GB pin was? 2.45mm? That 7/64" drill bit that I barely got in the hole should be 2.778mm/0.109" which is greater, so it would need to be say 2.778 - 3mm in diameter. 7/64" bits being common.....I'd probably go that way.

What do you think?

If you're going with 7/64 cross-pin, you might as well use another and cut it for the shorter pin.

iklindo · 10-20-2012, 12:16 PM

I order two test rods, slightly smaller in diameter .108 and .106.. One of them should work!

iklindo · 10-24-2012, 01:07 PM

So, I got the detent pin and cross pin combination working for the Bulgarian. I've sent the first finished set out to one of the members. Once I have confirmation that everything is good I'll start producing these and will send you all information on ordering.

Thanks!

gowking · 11-06-2012, 04:31 PM

Any news?

-G

bpittman91 · 11-06-2012, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iklindo

So, I got the detent pin and cross pin combination working for the Bulgarian. I've sent the first finished set out to one of the members. Once I have confirmation that everything is good I'll start producing these and will send you all information on ordering.

Thanks!

waiting in anticipation....

10-08-2012, 02:55 PM	#1
iklindo Member Contributor AKaholic #: 163126 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: US Posts: 314	WTS: Bulgy AK-104/105 FSB Detent Pin Set Gents, I'm starting a batch of Bulgy AK-10X pin sets. So far I have the following folks who have committed to buying a set: 1. DOJO 2. Falboy 3. ott1 4. bpittman91 5. gowking 6. HarleyF250Guy x 2 7. Derekthecoonass - Payment received 8. alphadog123 x 3 9. cantshoot4shit 10. varickm - Payment received - Shipped 11. OneEyedJack75 x6 - Payment received 12. I.Oak47 x 2 13. cadence x 2 14. downsouthak 15. jkacg1 - Payment received - Shipped 16. AeroKroil74 x 2 - Payment sent 17. He219 18. Baderrick - Payment received Please let me know if interested so that I may put you down on the list. Photos of the finished pin are available below: https://plus.google.com/photos/11433...01139189762673 Thanks __________________ ... "Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go. "....T. S. Eliot "Who Dares, Wins" "Qui audet adipiscitur" "Qui ose gagne" "Wer wagt, gewinnt" Last edited by iklindo; 11-30-2012 at 04:03 PM.

10-08-2012, 03:30 PM	#3
cadence Member Contributor AKaholic #: 88730 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gitmonation Posts: 215	Are we talking about the FSB detent pin? __________________ ▼ Optimists these days learn English, pessimists learn Chinese, but realists learn how to operate an AK-47.

10-08-2012, 04:10 PM	#5
cadence Member Contributor AKaholic #: 88730 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gitmonation Posts: 215	So if we are talking detent + spring + pin... what would be your price? I can imagine that stuff like that can be mailed in first class envelope for 60-some cents (it would not be "flat" / machine processed anymore) If the price is right I could use qty (2) spare sets __________________ ▼ Optimists these days learn English, pessimists learn Chinese, but realists learn how to operate an AK-47.

10-08-2012, 04:22 PM	#6
iklindo Member Contributor AKaholic #: 163126 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: US Posts: 314	Well, It's definitely $20 + shipping. I don't make any money on shipping and don't have time to custom ship. Also, recently I'v had a number of pieces lost by USPS. So, the last thing I want to do is send anything without tracking and insurance. __________________ ... "Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go. "....T. S. Eliot "Who Dares, Wins" "Qui audet adipiscitur" "Qui ose gagne" "Wer wagt, gewinnt"

10-08-2012, 05:42 PM	#7
Derekthecoonass Member Contributor AKaholic #: 163383 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Occupied Alabamastan Posts: 262	I mentioned in the other Yugo thread that I was interested. I am currently ready to buy two Bulgy sets as soon as available. Based on my understanding there is a difference in the Russian and Bulgarian sets that I have not seen mentioned. I am sure that at least the retaining pin is different between the Russian and Bulgarian types. This is from Tantal's site, and the Bulgarian one is on the left: __________________

10-08-2012, 03:19 PM	#2
downsouthak Member AKaholic #: 22651 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: south louisiana Posts: 232	Im interesred

10-08-2012, 06:00 PM	#8
I.Oak47 Veteran Member Contributor AKaholic #: 158242 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: WI Posts: 1,905	i need 2+

10-08-2012, 06:22 PM	#10
OneEyedJack75 Member AKaholic #: 162482 Join Date: May 2012 Location: pittsburgh, pa Posts: 203	I would be interested in 4 Bulgarian sets and maybe 2 more. Thanks

10-08-2012, 06:24 PM	#11
varickm Member AKaholic #: 161374 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: USA,Florida,Orlando Posts: 187	I want a set.

10-08-2012, 06:41 PM	#12
cantshoot4shit Member AKaholic #: 156743 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: CUCAMONGA, CA. Posts: 159	I would like a set

10-08-2012, 08:18 PM	#13
gowking Senior Member AKaholic #: 25340 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: USA Posts: 660	In for at least 3 sets. -G

10-16-2012, 03:31 PM	#14
gowking Senior Member AKaholic #: 25340 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: USA Posts: 660	Any updates to this? -G

10-16-2012, 06:56 PM	#15
alphadog123 Member AKaholic #: 161491 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: USA the republic of Posts: 162	I need 3 sets

10-16-2012, 08:58 PM	#16
iklindo Member Contributor AKaholic #: 163126 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: US Posts: 314	Ok..ok... Do any of you have calipers? I need the diameter of the cross pin hole. I've made several sets but want to make sure I don't send anything out that doesn't fit. __________________ ... "Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go. "....T. S. Eliot "Who Dares, Wins" "Qui audet adipiscitur" "Qui ose gagne" "Wer wagt, gewinnt" Last edited by iklindo; 10-16-2012 at 10:04 PM.

10-16-2012, 09:30 PM	#17
Derekthecoonass Member Contributor AKaholic #: 163383 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Occupied Alabamastan Posts: 262	The hole is about 0.108" - 0.109" I can just get a 7/64" drill bit in it. It's snug. __________________ Last edited by Derekthecoonass; 10-16-2012 at 09:45 PM. Reason: trying to be percise

10-16-2012, 10:12 PM	#19
gowking Senior Member AKaholic #: 25340 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: USA Posts: 660	Is that the actual intended diameter or just a pilot hole to be drilled through for a long 3mm pin? How would you remove the cross pin if it doesn't go all the way through? -G

10-17-2012, 12:19 PM	#21
Derekthecoonass Member Contributor AKaholic #: 163383 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Occupied Alabamastan Posts: 262	I think it is supposed to be a blind pin, when seated sits below flush with the top of the hole and then is staked to the left and right to keep it in place. __________________

10-17-2012, 05:31 PM	#23
Derekthecoonass Member Contributor AKaholic #: 163383 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Occupied Alabamastan Posts: 262	I went back and looked at Tantal's site. It says "the pin must either be installed blind or used as a barrel pin". The Russian design is a through pin, looks like Bulgy could go either way; through pin or blind pin. I don't care, I'm ready to buy. Through pin is fine. Blind pin is fine. http://www.avtomats-in-action.com/parts7.html Anyone have any reference material beyond Tantal's site or is the knowledge based on what they have seen done before? __________________

10-17-2012, 06:55 PM	#24
gowking Senior Member AKaholic #: 25340 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: USA Posts: 660	My vote is for a through pin. I don't like the idea of needing specialized tools to get the pin out for any reason. -G

10-17-2012, 08:26 PM	#25
Derekthecoonass Member Contributor AKaholic #: 163383 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Occupied Alabamastan Posts: 262	I think iklindo should probably make it as a through pin and if someone wanted to do the blind pin method they would just shorten the pin. No big deal. __________________

10-18-2012, 01:15 AM	#26
ott1 Member AKaholic #: 157734 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: USA, PRK, La Verne Posts: 435	The diameter is still important. It should be at least the same diameter or greater than the other pin for the fsb/gb.

10-18-2012, 07:37 AM	#28
HarleyF250Guy Member AKaholic #: 159431 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Morristown, TN Posts: 194	I am down for two sets!

10-18-2012, 11:05 AM	#29
iklindo Member Contributor AKaholic #: 163126 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: US Posts: 314	Alright, cool. Just a heads up, I'm going to start making these within the next two weeks. I've been slammed with the M92 pins and the cross pin on the Bulgy has proven to be a little difficult. __________________ ... "Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go. "....T. S. Eliot "Who Dares, Wins" "Qui audet adipiscitur" "Qui ose gagne" "Wer wagt, gewinnt"

10-18-2012, 11:11 AM	#30
iklindo Member Contributor AKaholic #: 163126 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: US Posts: 314	I tried O1 Tool Steel Tight-Tolerance Rod, .1094" Diameter and its too thick. Back to the drawing board. __________________ ... "Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go. "....T. S. Eliot "Who Dares, Wins" "Qui audet adipiscitur" "Qui ose gagne" "Wer wagt, gewinnt"

10-20-2012, 12:16 PM	#32
iklindo Member Contributor AKaholic #: 163126 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: US Posts: 314	I order two test rods, slightly smaller in diameter .108 and .106.. One of them should work! __________________ ... "Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go. "....T. S. Eliot "Who Dares, Wins" "Qui audet adipiscitur" "Qui ose gagne" "Wer wagt, gewinnt"

10-24-2012, 01:07 PM	#33
iklindo Member Contributor AKaholic #: 163126 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: US Posts: 314	So, I got the detent pin and cross pin combination working for the Bulgarian. I've sent the first finished set out to one of the members. Once I have confirmation that everything is good I'll start producing these and will send you all information on ordering. Thanks! __________________ ... "Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go. "....T. S. Eliot "Who Dares, Wins" "Qui audet adipiscitur" "Qui ose gagne" "Wer wagt, gewinnt"

11-06-2012, 04:31 PM	#34
gowking Senior Member AKaholic #: 25340 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: USA Posts: 660	Any news? -G

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