Why did Jesus tell His disciples to buy a sword?

77patriots · 07-22-2012, 10:02 PM

Why did Jesus tell His disciples to buy a sword?

At the Last Supper, Luke records this dialogue:

He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.”

The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.”

“That is enough,” he replied.

Luke 22:36-38

JESUS WAS/IS PRO-GUN

sleestak70 · 07-22-2012, 10:12 PM

because he new that eventually they would be kicking the palestinians out of palestine. Give or take a few years. Thats just a guess.

bubbazan68 · 07-22-2012, 11:23 PM

please dont star to take stuff out of context like others,
i mean i know what you are saying but please,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

35 And He said to them, “ When I sent you out without money belt and bag and sandals, you did not lack anything, did you?” They said, “No, nothing.” 36 And He said to them, “But now, [e]whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and [f]whoever has no sword is to sell his [g]coat and buy one. 37 For I tell you that this which is written must be fulfilled in Me, ‘ And He was numbered with transgressors’; for that which refers to Me has its [h]fulfillment.” 38 They said, “Lord, look, here are two swords.” And He said to them, “It is enough.”

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the why they were to get or have them

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49 When those who were around Him saw what was going to happen, they said, “Lord, shall we strike with the sword?” 50 And one of them struck the slave of the high priest and cut off his right ear. 51 But Jesus answered and said, “[j]Stop! No more of this.” And He touched his ear and healed him.

================= thats all no other reason

panzertruppe · 07-22-2012, 11:41 PM

Because Jesus didn't like anti-sword legislation at the time.

panzertruppe

jgon281 · 07-23-2012, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by panzertruppe

Because Jesus didn't like anti-sword legislation at the time.

panzertruppe

that was a good un'

BBill · 07-23-2012, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by sleestak70

because he new that eventually they would be kicking the palestinians out of palestine. Give or take a few years. Thats just a guess.

Ha Ha Ha!! They are the cockroaches of the world!

Burn the Horse · 07-23-2012, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by panzertruppe

Because Jesus didn't like anti-sword legislation at the time.

panzertruppe

Haha, yeah that was pretty funny bud.

jroberts1968 · 07-23-2012, 08:02 AM

[QUOTE=77patriots;1055841]Why did Jesus tell His disciples to buy a sword?

At the Last Supper, Luke records this dialogue:

He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.”

The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.”

“That is enough,” he replied.

Luke 22:36-38

JESUS WAS/IS PRO-GUN

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Jesus owned major shares in both steel mills in the Samaria area. He also had the support of 2 of the 3 steel unions in Samaria and Galilee he won the support by a promise of 5 day work week and national health care system. He wanted to be Governor. He ended up losing his bid for the governor. The main stream media controlled by the new and rising "Wine Party" found out about his hidden bank accounts in Egypt. They crucified him in the papers and billboard adds. In those days they fed a politician to the lions. With his run for governor over He took a position with a human rights group working with blind, homeless, needy, and sick kinda ike UNISEF of his day. This organization grew world wide and changed there name some time after his death to the Christian Church and then it took off. He also had a few book deals and a major motion picture deal. His origination received all proceed from the later after his death.

Cy4ka · 07-23-2012, 08:06 AM

Because there were no guns at the time?

Just1more · 07-23-2012, 05:05 PM

Was he actually talking about a sword or something else?

How about Ephesians 6:17....and the sword of the spirit, which is the word of God:

cazzman · 07-23-2012, 05:23 PM

"Live by the sword or die by the sword"

Just1more · 07-23-2012, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cazzman

"Live by the sword or die by the sword"

Pretty close Matt. 26:52....for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

sjohnson · 07-23-2012, 05:34 PM

To fulfill the prophecy that the Christ would be labelled a criminal in his last days.

jroberts1968 · 07-23-2012, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sjohnson

To fulfill the prophecy that the Christ would be labelled a criminal in his last days.

Bank accounts in Egypt...

warp2diesel · 07-23-2012, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cy4ka

Because there were no guns at the time?

X2

lsmurphy · 07-23-2012, 09:00 PM

It wasn't the last super.

It was Passover.

lsmurphy · 07-23-2012, 09:04 PM

BTW the more important question here is why did Jesus choose men like Peter?

The desciples were manly men, tough, fighters.

Not the pussies of today, cowards.

Jesus knew exactly what Peter would do with it.

binkybeat · 07-23-2012, 09:46 PM

Because Jesus was awesome, and the AK74 hadn't been invented yet.

S. Fisher · 07-24-2012, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 77patriots

Why did Jesus tell His disciples to buy a sword?

At the Last Supper, Luke records this dialogue:

He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.”

The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.”

“That is enough,” he replied.

Luke 22:36-38

JESUS WAS/IS PRO-GUN

Jesus was Pro-Self Defense. Different time, different tools, same result.

AKRAGE · 07-24-2012, 02:30 AM

Because the prices on Saiga's skyrocketed on an election year

bubbazan68 · 07-24-2012, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by lsmurphy

BTW the more important question here is why did Jesus choose men like Peter?

The desciples were manly men, tough, fighters.

Not the pussies of today, cowards.

Jesus knew exactly what Peter would do with it.

please explain John then

mrabolli · 07-24-2012, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by binkybeat

Because Jesus was awesome, and the AK74 hadn't been invented yet.

+1

lol.

mrabolli · 07-24-2012, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbazan68

please explain John then

just to add .02 real quick. There were many political and religous groups at the time of Christ. you hear of two all the time Pharisees and saducees and while they were the dominate two there were others including the Essenes which we believe was the sect of judiasm that preserved the Dead Sea Scrolls as we call them today. A truly amazing find and a confirmation on the accuracy of Scripture through all those centuries. The Essenes recognized the time they lived and knew Messiah was coming in their lifetime and rejected the sin and corruption of Jerusalem and other towns. They communed out in the wilderness and awaited what they mistakenly understood to be the end of the current age.
There was also a group called the Zealots and they advanced the cause for violent overthrow of the Romans ruling over them. It is widely believed that one or more of the disciples that Jesus invited to follow Him were of this sort. Evidence is when Simon Peter got angry and tried to kill one of the guards while making an arrest on Jesus.

But as with all the disciples you have to compare the men before Pentacost or Shavuot as recorded in Acts and after the event.

The Holy Spirit now operating in their lives made them powerful for service but not in the physical or fleshly way. Look at the result of the Spirit of God in their lives from when they were just Jesus followers to when they were believers.

andoru · 07-24-2012, 04:00 PM

I'll be honest, and say that I don't really know.

I believe it was a little of all of the above. I mean not including the jokes or ignoramus comments.

JohnFreeman · 07-24-2012, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbazan68

please explain John then

You sound like my wife

John

Kaninchen · 07-25-2012, 01:58 AM

The meaning of, "All that take sword, perish" is certainly mysterious..How many soldiers or cops died peacefully in their beds at old age? What about that Roman Centurion (slays men WITH SWORDS OMG) who, according to Jesus, was oh so "righteous"?

Clearly using a sword or "gun" is not evil or guaranteed to get you shot. Then we must ask ourselves what does that verse really frackin mean!?

Pvt.Joker · 07-25-2012, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaninchen

The meaning of, "All that take sword, perish" is certainly mysterious..How many soldiers or cops died peacefully in their beds at old age? What about that Roman Centurion (slays men WITH SWORDS OMG) who, according to Jesus, was oh so "righteous"?

Clearly using a sword or "gun" is not evil or guaranteed to get you shot. Then we must ask ourselves what does that verse really frackin mean!?

In the end, we ALL "perish". But those who "take sword" at least have a chance to not perish by the tyranny of the wicked men who would take their lives otherwise at will. I think perhaps the other line about "God helps those who help themselves" comes into play here, too.

Just1more · 07-25-2012, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Pvt.Joker

In the end, we ALL "perish". But those who "take sword" at least have a chance to not perish by the tyranny of the wicked men who would take their lives otherwise at will. I think perhaps the other line about "God helps those who help themselves" comes into play here, too.

I'm curious, but when you use "God helps those who help themselves" exactly what scripture in the Bible are you referring to?

lsmurphy · 07-25-2012, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Just1more

I'm curious, but when you use "God helps those who help themselves" exactly what scripture in the Bible are you referring to?

There is no scripural referrence to that......hahahah.

God blesses those who obey. That is lost on 90% of so-called christians.

lsmurphy · 07-25-2012, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaninchen

The meaning of, "All that take sword, perish" is certainly mysterious..How many soldiers or cops died peacefully in their beds at old age? What about that Roman Centurion (slays men WITH SWORDS OMG) who, according to Jesus, was oh so "righteous"?

Clearly using a sword or "gun" is not evil or guaranteed to get you shot. Then we must ask ourselves what does that verse really frackin mean!?

David murdered and killed, he killed 10s of thousands if not 100s of thousands and yet he did not die by the sword. He died in misery.

Live by.......die by.......... it's a reflection of attitude. One can choose to live in peace or live by war and all that comes with it.

Simply reflects a choice..........to follow God's law and commands or to live in distress. Means nothing more.

Just1more · 07-25-2012, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by lsmurphy

There is no scripural referrence to that......hahahah.

God blesses those who obey. That is lost on 90% of so-called christians.

I know, but there are some scriptures that make inference to this.

There is a lot of the Bible lost on so-called christians

Just1more · 07-25-2012, 06:17 AM

Jesus never advocated violence! He plainly said if my kingdom was of this world My Father would send 12 legions of angels to fight. Setting up his kingdom in this world. He would really only need one.

mojo00 · 07-25-2012, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Just1more

Jesus never advocated violence!

No he didnt, but he sure had no problem being violent when necessary. The same goes for the "buy a sword" passage....Jesus knew times were tough, travel was dangerous, arm yourself for DEFFENCE not offence as one spreads the gospel and lives in a corrupt world.

Just1more · 07-25-2012, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mojo00

No he didnt, but he sure had no problem being violent when necessary. The same goes for the "buy a sword" passage....Jesus knew times were tough, travel was dangerous, arm yourself for DEFFENCE not offence as one spreads the gospel and lives in a corrupt world.

Absolutely correct, this is a very important distinction, the difference between self defense and offense against others, especially as it pertains to religion.

Not to be confused with Him kicking the money changers out of His Fathers house. Ep. 4:26 Be angry and sin not.

Paul, spoke of perils in II Cor. 11:26, after the manner of men fighting with beasts in I Cor. 15:32, but i think this scripture is a stretch. Where i think self defense can be seen

egs89 · 07-25-2012, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaninchen

The meaning of, "All that take sword, perish" is certainly mysterious..How many soldiers or cops died peacefully in their beds at old age? What about that Roman Centurion (slays men WITH SWORDS OMG) who, according to Jesus, was oh so "righteous"?

Clearly using a sword or "gun" is not evil or guaranteed to get you shot. Then we must ask ourselves what does that verse really frackin mean!?

"Those who live by the sword shall die by sword" I believe it means those who are violent without good reason. If you’re a tyrant who loves shooting people in the back of the head, Chances are you'll die in a similar fashion.

07-22-2012, 10:02 PM	#1
77patriots Banned AKaholic #: 106007 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: LIBERTY,MO Posts: 11,090	Why did Jesus tell His disciples to buy a sword? Why did Jesus tell His disciples to buy a sword? At the Last Supper, Luke records this dialogue: He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.” The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That is enough,” he replied. Luke 22:36-38 JESUS WAS/IS PRO-GUN

07-23-2012, 08:02 AM	#8
jroberts1968 Senior Member AKaholic #: 42724 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Denton, TX Posts: 931	[QUOTE=77patriots;1055841]Why did Jesus tell His disciples to buy a sword? At the Last Supper, Luke records this dialogue: He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.” The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That is enough,” he replied. Luke 22:36-38 JESUS WAS/IS PRO-GUN [/QUOTE Jesus owned major shares in both steel mills in the Samaria area. He also had the support of 2 of the 3 steel unions in Samaria and Galilee he won the support by a promise of 5 day work week and national health care system. He wanted to be Governor. He ended up losing his bid for the governor. The main stream media controlled by the new and rising "Wine Party" found out about his hidden bank accounts in Egypt. They crucified him in the papers and billboard adds. In those days they fed a politician to the lions. With his run for governor over He took a position with a human rights group working with blind, homeless, needy, and sick kinda ike UNISEF of his day. This organization grew world wide and changed there name some time after his death to the Christian Church and then it took off. He also had a few book deals and a major motion picture deal. His origination received all proceed from the later after his death. __________________ Jim Roberts JBI Armory FFL7/SOT 469-236-9507 http://jbiarmory.com/ http://www.facebook.com/jbi.armory Gunsmith Services / Re-Finishing Services Last edited by jroberts1968; 07-23-2012 at 08:13 AM.

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Just1more Veteran Member AKaholic #: 162290 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: NE Texas Posts: 1,499	Was he actually talking about a sword or something else? How about Ephesians 6:17....and the sword of the spirit, which is the word of God: __________________ Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. George Santayana Therefore shall his calamity come suddenly; suddenly shall he be broken without remedy. Pro.6:15 :

07-23-2012, 05:34 PM	#13
sjohnson Curio & Relic AKaholic #: 6585 Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,798	To fulfill the prophecy that the Christ would be labelled a criminal in his last days. __________________

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lsmurphy Amerika Sux AKaholic #: 6789 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lost Posts: 24,225	It wasn't the last super. It was Passover. __________________ Ecclesiastes 1:13 I devoted myself to study and to explore by wisdom all that is done under heaven. What a heavy burden God has laid on men!

07-22-2012, 10:12 PM	#2
sleestak70 Veteran Member AKaholic #: 159123 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,315	because he new that eventually they would be kicking the palestinians out of palestine. Give or take a few years. Thats just a guess.

07-22-2012, 11:23 PM	#3
bubbazan68 Banned AKaholic #: 3654 Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 4,058	please dont star to take stuff out of context like others, i mean i know what you are saying but please,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 35 And He said to them, “ When I sent you out without money belt and bag and sandals, you did not lack anything, did you?” They said, “No, nothing.” 36 And He said to them, “But now, [e]whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and [f]whoever has no sword is to sell his [g]coat and buy one. 37 For I tell you that this which is written must be fulfilled in Me, ‘ And He was numbered with transgressors’; for that which refers to Me has its [h]fulfillment.” 38 They said, “Lord, look, here are two swords.” And He said to them, “It is enough.” =================================== the why they were to get or have them ===================================== 49 When those who were around Him saw what was going to happen, they said, “Lord, shall we strike with the sword?” 50 And one of them struck the slave of the high priest and cut off his right ear. 51 But Jesus answered and said, “[j]Stop! No more of this.” And He touched his ear and healed him. ================= thats all no other reason

07-22-2012, 11:41 PM	#4
panzertruppe Curio & Relic AKaholic #: 3934 Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,659	Because Jesus didn't like anti-sword legislation at the time. panzertruppe

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Cy4ka Banned AKaholic #: 158050 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Behind You Posts: 5,602	Because there were no guns at the time?

07-23-2012, 05:23 PM	#11
cazzman Banned AKaholic #: 155369 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Earth Posts: 290	"Live by the sword or die by the sword"

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lsmurphy Amerika Sux AKaholic #: 6789 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lost Posts: 24,225	BTW the more important question here is why did Jesus choose men like Peter? The desciples were manly men, tough, fighters. Not the pussies of today, cowards. Jesus knew exactly what Peter would do with it. __________________ Ecclesiastes 1:13 I devoted myself to study and to explore by wisdom all that is done under heaven. What a heavy burden God has laid on men!

07-23-2012, 09:46 PM	#18
binkybeat Senior Member Contributor AKaholic #: 162197 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Kansas City, KS Posts: 788	Because Jesus was awesome, and the AK74 hadn't been invented yet. __________________ (Government) can't "make it legal". They can only make it illegal. Freedom is the default. Government GIVES nothing. They can only remove/restrict/infringe May sound like a distinction without a difference, but controlling the lexicon controls the argument.-gunplumber

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andoru Senior Member AKaholic #: 161697 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Virginia Posts: 553	I'll be honest, and say that I don't really know. I believe it was a little of all of the above. I mean not including the jokes or ignoramus comments. __________________ - Arsenal SLR107F - Glock 30, w/GTL21 .עַל־חֹומֹתַיִךְ יְרוּשָׁלִַם הִפְקַדְתִּי שֹׁמְרִים

07-25-2012, 01:58 AM	#26
Kaninchen Member AKaholic #: 157993 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 314	The meaning of, "All that take sword, perish" is certainly mysterious..How many soldiers or cops died peacefully in their beds at old age? What about that Roman Centurion (slays men WITH SWORDS OMG) who, according to Jesus, was oh so "righteous"? Clearly using a sword or "gun" is not evil or guaranteed to get you shot. Then we must ask ourselves what does that verse really frackin mean!?

07-25-2012, 06:17 AM	#32
Just1more Veteran Member AKaholic #: 162290 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: NE Texas Posts: 1,499	Jesus never advocated violence! He plainly said if my kingdom was of this world My Father would send 12 legions of angels to fight. Setting up his kingdom in this world. He would really only need one. __________________ Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. George Santayana Therefore shall his calamity come suddenly; suddenly shall he be broken without remedy. Pro.6:15 : Last edited by Just1more; 07-25-2012 at 06:27 AM.

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