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Old 04-22-2012, 04:35 PM   #1
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Default 7n6 5.45x39 comparison

is 7n6 surplus more accurate than the silver bear...brown bear... wolf etc. ??

is it a flatter trajectory??.... being that the muzzle velocity is higher than the others
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Old 04-22-2012, 05:06 PM   #2
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7n6 is great no need to shoot.ne thing else
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Old 04-24-2012, 12:11 PM   #3
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7n6 is great no need to shoot.ne thing else
At this point. I'll only shoot the Wolf, Tulammo, etc. when the 7n6 dries up and we can't get it any more.
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7n6 is awesome buy it while you can
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Old 04-28-2012, 10:54 AM   #5
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What on the smap can denotes 7n6 aside from other russian surplus? Does it say 7n6 on the can?
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What on the smap can denotes 7n6 aside from other russian surplus? Does it say 7n6 on the can?
Nothing I can tell from the cryllic lettering. Though AKM's, AKS-74's, AKS-74U's, etc., aren't labeled as such either.
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Nothing I can tell from the cryllic lettering. Though AKM's, AKS-74's, AKS-74U's, etc., aren't labeled as such either.
I think it's part of the smaller print on the can "n76" on the right side under the line. The giant print 5.45 on the left is quite helpful too.

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I think it's part of the smaller print on the can "n76" on the right side under the line. The giant print 5.45 on the left is quite helpful too.
I have a 78 under the line on mine.

I got two tins and they're labeled:

5,45 ГC ПC
Б82-79-539 CФ033фл244/78Б
1080 шт

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Typically, the 1080 round cans that the 5.45x39mm M74 7N6 ammo is packaged in contain important important about production, including the code for the factory that it was produced in...

Typically, the first line on the can (in the largest letters) will be

5,45 PS gs (although I've converted the Cyrillic letters to their English equivalents).

Bulgarian production can be found in cans marked in Cyrillic or English letters. All the rest that I've seen has only been in Cyrillic letters.

The second line, starting on the left, will be something like:

K07 - 90 [broken double circle with 10 inside] and then continuing to the right with additional info about production type. Here, the 10 within the double circle indicates Bulgarian manufacture, since factory code 10 was allocated to this facility in Bulgaria under the old Soviet system/Warsaw Pact rules and regulations. The 90 indicates year of production and/or 'canning.' The K07 is the lot number.

or, another marking (for example):

b74 - 82 - 270

The b74 is the lot number, produced in 1982 at Soviet factory 270 at Lugansk in the Ukraine (factory code 270).

If the factory code is 539, is was produced in the USSR at Tula.

If you google 'headstamp codes,' you'll quickly bring up a wealth of information about what the number and letter codes mean...

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Old 04-28-2012, 06:40 PM   #9
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The writing means stuff, example for the 7.62x54R cans.........



Here is my 5.45x39 can..........



So.......if we assume certain things. Well, this might help w/ the translations (about 7/8 ways down)............

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinAmmoID01.htm#Bullets

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PS........on youtube there is alot of info (beware it's not always true though).......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ph2nf-dcno

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Old 04-29-2012, 04:25 AM   #10
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Thanks for the info Ma96782!
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This picture is closer to the cases we are playing with as 1980's style production.

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7N6 kills shit dead, forever
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Most bullets do that.
Nothing particulary special about 7N6 other than it is pretty consistant, well packaged and cheaper than any other 5.45 ammo.
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Old 04-30-2012, 09:00 PM   #14
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The writing means stuff, example for the 7.62x54R cans.........



Here is my 5.45x39 can..........



So.......if we assume certain things. Well, this might help w/ the translations (about 7/8 ways down)............

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinAmmoID01.htm#Bullets

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PS........on youtube there is alot of info (beware it's not always true though).......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ph2nf-dcno
Thanks for this post.
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Most bullets do that.
Nothing particulary special about 7N6 other than it is pretty consistant, well packaged and cheaper than any other 5.45 ammo.
Try telling that to the knuckleheads pricing their 54r 7n6 at $1 per round.
(or the desperate souls buying it)

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nc = steel core
rc = steel case

manuf in Bulgaria - 1987
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Can't tell that to the knuckleheads pricing their 54r 7n6 at $1 per round.

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Trueno., Oh the 7N1., I think you mean. DMR ammo. Yeah too bad it is that scarce and pricey.

Maybe more weill come in as it is replaced by 7N14., or so I read.
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Trueno., Oh the 7N1., I think you mean. DMR ammo. Yeah too bad it is that scarce and pricey.

Maybe more weill come in as it is replaced by 7N14., or so I read.
My bad, thanks for straightening me out!
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Old 05-03-2012, 12:58 PM   #20
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I noticed the 7.62x54r and 5.45 spam cans most of you posted as references have the case and bullet type in a different order than mine:



Then again, your can is also ten years younger than mine so they probably changed the labeling standards at some point or another.
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Old 11-05-2012, 02:32 PM   #21
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Good stuff here! Looking at case stencil images these are all light or standard ball with a lead core.


I would assume hollow core 7N6 would be classified "ball bullet with mild steel core"? - looks like lower case english "nc"
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Now, the next question is where can we buy the Bulgarian stuff? Great post guys!
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Now, the next question is where can we buy the Bulgarian stuff? Great post guys!
Here's one place:

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/produc...oducts_id/1308

or maybe here:

http://www.centuryarms.biz/proddetail.asp?prod=AM1352








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Most bullets do that.
Nothing particulary special about 7N6 other than it is pretty consistant, well packaged and cheaper than any other 5.45 ammo.
Really? The 7N6 bullet has a 22.1 gr steel rod penetrator. In 1987 this penetrator was hardened to 60 HRC. The 7N6 cartridge can penetrate a 6 mm thick St3 steel plate at 300 m and 6Zh85T body armour at 80 m. I call that special.
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7N6 & Wolf are extremely close in accuracy/performance I did a comparison a little while back out of my AK-74. I took pics of the targets too. I couldn't say how Bear, Tula or golden tiger is, though.
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Follow up.... what's the " CФ033ф " .... ???
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Will we ever see bulgy 7n6 again?
There's plenty of bulgy rifles,thoughts ?
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Will we ever see bulgy 7n6 again?
There's plenty of bulgy rifles,thoughts ?
Yes, it will arrive at a dealer near you at exactly 5:36pm on Friday
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is 7n6 surplus more accurate than the silver bear...brown bear... wolf etc. ??

is it a flatter trajectory??.... being that the muzzle velocity is higher than the others
The one commercial round that I find to be just as good, if not better than, 7N6 is Golden Tiger. That stuff is magic dude. Second to Golden Tiger is Silver Bear 60gr.

I miss Golden Tiger so damn much. 7N6 is awesome but is too much of a pain in the ass, for me at least, here in WA for me to want to run it through my Arsenals. I have no problem running it anytime through my kit guns, but the peace of mind of non-corrosive is perfect for me.

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Will we ever see bulgy 7n6 again?
There's plenty of bulgy rifles,thoughts ?
I'm sure there are several Indiana Jones style warehouses full of Cold War era Bulgy 7N6 and other shit just waiting to be discovered. My love for everything Bulgarian would definitely prompt me to blow a ridiculous amount of money on as many cases as I could get my hands on.
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7N6 is awesome but is too much of a pain in the ass, for me at least, here in WA for me to want to run it through my Arsenals. I have no problem running it anytime through my kit guns, but the peace of mind of non-corrosive is perfect for me.
Don't be afraid of corrosive, shot it for years without a single issue. The secret (which really isn't a secret) is wash it out with water. As soon as I get home from shooting my rifles, yes even my Arsenals lol, they get stripped furniture & all & head straight to the bathtub. Crank the water up as hot as she'll go and pour it too her for a couple a mins. You can miss spots cleaning normally but you'll never miss a thing doing it this way. Use a blow dryer to dry her out, which isn't much work if you use really hot water, then just clean as normal.
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Follow up.... what's the " CФ033ф " .... ???
Type of powder used. I haven't been able to find any kind of specific info about it though. The only other powder type I've seen is on my '77 ammo/'76 powder crate that shows BУ-545. No idea what the difference is.
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One thing to note is GT is lead core and not steel core.
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Will we ever see bulgy 7n6 again?
There's plenty of bulgy rifles,thoughts ?
http://militarygunsupply.com/index.p...roducts_id=598...they have it in stock, but it's not cheap. I picked up a can only because I needed a ((10)) can to go with my Russian and Polish 5.45 cans.
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Thanks^^
You got pics of the polish can??
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Here are my Polish and Russian cans...Polish on top
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