First Man Arrested With Drone Evidence Vows to Fight Case

[hub999]

The tiny town of Lakota, N.D., is quickly becoming a key testing ground for the legality of the use of unmanned drones by law enforcement after one of its residents became the first American citizen to be arrested with the help of a Predator surveillance drone.
The bizarre case started when six cows wandered onto Rodney Brossart's 3,000 acre farm. Brossart, an alleged anti-government "sovereignist," believed he should have been able to keep the cows, so he and two family members chased police off his land with high powered rifles.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/...-to-fight-case

[Cy4ka]

He had rifles to shoot at the cops with but not at the drone?

[WTSGDYBBR]

overhead trespassing

[Bingo]

The only way to down them is too figure out what frequency the R/C operates on. I doubt these are encrypted because of the costs. The closer R/C unit will take over the control of it. The operator could crash it delibertly then. They would have to operate in the R/C Airplane frequency band,FCC req's. so it should be too hard to figure out the frequency using a 0-2000 Mhz receiver. Then using an R/C transmitter one could interfere with the operations of it.
The russian gave the iranians an IL-222 Autobaza EW unit which brought down the US drone.

[Tantal13]

Originally Posted by WTSGDYBBR

overhead trespassing

Very interesting observation. Do any states or govt. organizations recognize private air space?

Soon the "drones" may be doing the actual arresting.

[mrabolli]

these and red light cameras all need to be taken out as soon as it starts

[Beryl]

Hell, man. I knock'em down all the time on MW3!

[TheGreek!]

Plant trees with big canopies....Let them see tree tops....

[delloro]

Originally Posted by WTSGDYBBR

overhead trespassing

they can legally fly anywhere a plane or helicopter can.

[delloro]

Originally Posted by hub999

...six cows wandered onto Rodney Brossart's 3,000 acre farm. Brossart, an alleged anti-government "sovereignist," believed he should have been able to keep the cows, so he and two family members chased police off his land with high powered rifles.

and if his cows wandered over to his neighbor's, he would have given them right up, I bet.

stupid ass deserves his problems. there is a long, traditional, and well-developed body of law regarding livestock, including trespassing livestock. it does not involve "finders keepers."

[lsmurphy]

We need big umbrella hats so the drones cannot ID us.

[AKRAGE]

Rodney Brossart lives right down the road from our family farm, and this isn't the first time he's pulled shit like this. I personally seen 30 cop cars hauling ass down my road when this happened, and then the sheriff called us and told us to evacuate, we didn't. He once pulled a gun on the snow plow guy for plowing snow in front of his property.... the Brossart's strongly believe that they can do what ever the hell they want on there property, and if you start plowing snow on there property well then expect to see a gun in your face. When I drive by there house, I drive slow cause if I were to hit one of there cattle or anything like that I would have to take up arms and defend myself...... literally

As far as dellro's comment........"stupid ass deserves his problems." you couldn't have said it any better.

[AKRAGE]

by the way most of what is said about the situation in the above article is very far from the truth
http://www.wday.com/event/tag/tag/brossart/

[kanscheapskate]

Originally Posted by delloro

and if his cows wandered over to his neighbor's, he would have given them right up, I bet.

stupid ass deserves his problems. there is a long, traditional, and well-developed body of law regarding livestock, including trespassing livestock. it does not involve "finders keepers."

No, it does not involve "finders keepers" BUT, in many states if you have a crop and someone else's livestock wonders into it and starts eating it then you have the right to protect you crop. I had this happen with some of my neighbors a few years ago, one guy shot 3 cows grazing on his wheat. No charges filed, defending his livelyhood,

[Disburse-Now]

I would think that the drones will be utilized for a very broad range of surveillance, from property taxation and checking on zoneing violations where applicable, to looking for Johnny Bag ' Doughnuts Mary Jane Field hidden among the sun flowers. Obviously they will be also used to locate and track people. It's actually sort of odd to me that drones would be so prolific at this stage of technological developement, because the US thru its spy satellites has been able to use a variety of high powered cameras, infra red and radar imaging and others types of spectrum anylasis to be able to read variations if a quarter inch in or less in surfaces - ie looking for doors and uneven surfaces, and being able to easily read license plates from space, for well over three decades. What specific techno edge would drones bring not already covered? Why would so many drones even be needed? This is a serious question because the massive numbers of orbiting satellites can do all of the things drones can do and probably in a techno sence, do it even better as they are much more advanced, and do it from orbit. We actually don't need drones floating over Iran or any where else - the capability is that advances. Possibly the only real acpability not "easily" carried out by a satellite would be loitering and giving local (non-DOD specialists) personnel and assets the ability to track people and objects and give slightly better side views. Orbiting satellites can do everything else even better than drones - they just don't get the attention. It all does not bode well in general for Freedom, and Privacy however.

In Freedom - From Central Florida........

[AKRAGE]

Originally Posted by kanscheapskate

No, it does not involve "finders keepers" BUT, in many states if you have a crop and someone else's livestock wonders into it and starts eating it then you have the right to protect you crop. I had this happen with some of my neighbors a few years ago, one guy shot 3 cows grazing on his wheat. No charges filed, defending his livelyhood,

the cows did not eat any of brossart's crops, and if they did it was short lived

here's what really happened, the cows are from another farmer(we will call this guy farmer A) about a 1/4 mile away from me, they actually walked on our land heading towards brossart's, Brossart's gathered them up with 4 wheelers, and then locked them on his land, Farmer A went to get them, but brossart would not allow it unless farmer A paid like 3,000$ or 1,000 a piece. then the cops were called.

[Mandaree36]

So your a North Dakotan?

[AKRAGE]

Originally Posted by Mandaree36

So your a North Dakotan?

born and raised in ND, but I moved to the other side of the river in MN in 08

[valleyrat]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The only way to down them is too figure out what frequency the R/C operates on. I doubt these are encrypted because of the costs. The closer R/C unit will take over the control of it. The operator could crash it delibertly then. They would have to operate in the R/C Airplane frequency band,FCC req's. so it should be too hard to figure out the frequency using a 0-2000 Mhz receiver. Then using an R/C transmitter one could interfere with the operations of it.
The russian gave the iranians an IL-222 Autobaza EW unit which brought down the US drone.

They almost certainly operate off a broadband sat link of some sort, with the ability to switch frequencys. These are not 72mhz rc planes lol.

[haldir]

Originally Posted by mrabolli

these and red light cameras all need to be taken out as soon as it starts

+1

deny the enemy it's robotic eyes.


they use these things for far more than traffic tickets folks, take 'em out, everyone needs at least one scoped rifle in their arsenal.

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[Bolt2bounce]

Why would so many drones even be needed?

[Mandaree36]

Originally Posted by AKRAGE

born and raised in ND, but I moved to the other side of the river in MN in 08

Ahhh I see.

Born MT - raised in ND.

Really crazy out here in the western side right now....

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by valleyrat

They almost certainly operate off a broadband sat link of some sort, with the ability to switch frequencys. These are not 72mhz rc planes lol.

I seriously doubt a local PD will have a Predator or a Globalhawk. The military also uses hand launched R/C planes. These are affordable for a local PD too. That is what I was talking about........

[Reaver]

Originally Posted by TheGreek!

Plant trees with big canopies....Let them see tree tops....

Yes because trees with big canopies grow so fast.

Or we could just pay thousands of dollars to plant them already grown. Good call J/A


On a less stupid note than this. ^^^

No hope against the drones guys. Unless we play hajj and go under ground. Worked with them overseas, and they can pretty much fly all the time. It sucks.
Now I know how hajj feels.

[Ding]

Send some este's rocket up at em.Evasive maneuvers Mr.Sulu.

[delloro]

Originally Posted by AKRAGE

...brossart would not allow it unless farmer A paid like 3,000$ or 1,000 a piece. then the cops were called.

the landowner can demand compensation for any damage by the livestock, but not ransom. oooops that's just US law. not made-up-sovereign-law-as-it-suits nutjobs-law, which the crazies like to use when it suits them.

[kanscheapskate]

Originally Posted by AKRAGE

the cows did not eat any of brossart's crops, and if they did it was short lived

here's what really happened, the cows are from another farmer(we will call this guy farmer A) about a 1/4 mile away from me, they actually walked on our land heading towards brossart's, Brossart's gathered them up with 4 wheelers, and then locked them on his land, Farmer A went to get them, but brossart would not allow it unless farmer A paid like 3,000$ or 1,000 a piece. then the cops were called.

Well, in my state that would probably be legal. I asked a deputy last year about what to do about kids fishing in my ponds and he told me if I go pick up their 4wheeler and lock it up I can legally do so if its on my land unlawefully. The kids will have to petition the court to get their propery back, and in doing so they would be liable for whatever towing and impound charges I level against them. The great thing about it is I could charge the same as they do in town so by the time the kids got to court my fees would exceed the value of the 4 wheeler- He said the same went for anything that was on my land unlawfully. Maybe in your state cows are free range animals? I know in my state only cats and horses have the legal right to freely roam like a wild animal. Your still supposed to control them but if they get out they are legally termed "Harmless" of their actions. (county only,not incorperated areas)

[krinkov762]

He will lose. Sorry, but the times are here. If if wins, they will do it anyway...

[859]

you think the .gov is gunna let this walk out of court after the millions spent by law enforcement on this, and the cost of tasking a UAV. All over a few cows.

[kanscheapskate]

I assure you that if this summer those kids are sneaking into fish I will impound their 4wheeler, I could loose everything I have in a lawsuite if one of them little devils drown! I say if the cows are on your property then fair game!

[delloro]

Originally Posted by kanscheapskate

I assure you that if this summer those kids are sneaking into fish I will impound their 4wheeler, I could loose everything I have in a lawsuite if one of them little devils drown! I say if the cows are on your property then fair game!

you should verify that with a second source, not all states allow you to impound like that, you could open yourself up to liability.

not saying you can't; saying you should be sure.

[TheGreek!]

Originally Posted by Reaver

Yes because trees with big canopies grow so fast.

Or we could just pay thousands of dollars to plant them already grown. Good call J/A


On a less stupid note than this. ^^^

No hope against the drones guys. Unless we play hajj and go under ground. Worked with them overseas, and they can pretty much fly all the time. It sucks.
Now I know how hajj feels.

Typical brainless libtard, they never heard of and cant understand the concept of something called "long term planning".......Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhh.......Another fail from you, oh how surprising...

*Yawns*

[AKRAGE]

update:
http://www.inforum.com/event/article...roup/homepage/
The Lakota, N.D., farmer involved in a months-long stand-off with law enforcement in 2011 has struck a plea deal that would keep him and four of his children from serving any time behind bars or having a felony on their record.

The deal with Rodney Brossart, 56, was reached Dec. 20 but wasn’t filed and available in court records until Wednesday.

Nelson County Sheriff Kelly Janke accused Brossart of resisting arrest, damaging a law enforcement vehicle and threatening deputies. Three Brossart sons are accused of pointing rifles at deputies and a daughter is accused of assaulting a deputy.

The felony charges the five had faced each carries a maximum prison sentence of five years.

On Wednesday, Janke criticized the plea deal: “This case needs to go to trial. Let it go before (Brossart’s) peers. We stand strong on that. Justice will not be served if the Northeast Judicial District of North Dakota accepts such a plea.”

Grand Forks County State’s Attorney Peter Welte, who led the prosecution at the request of the Nelson County state’s attorney, said Wednesday he couldn’t say much until the judge rules on the plea agreement.

But it’s typical before taking a case to trial to try to resolve it, he said.

“We are satisfied that throughout this matter we treated the proceedings in this case the same as any proceedings,” Welte said. “Evidentiary-wise, this is where a Grand Forks County jury would settle on convictions in these cases.”

The long-unfolding case began with Brossart’s refusal June 23, 2011, to return three cows and three calves that strayed from a neighbor’s pasture. It led to the stand-off at their sprawling farmstead southeast of Lakota, about 60 miles west of Grand Forks.

The case garnered international attention because Janke used a drone, proffered by federal agents, to surveil Brossart’s sons before arresting them the day after Brossart was arrested.

It reportedly was the first, or one of the first, cases of a government drone being used to arrest an American citizen.

Plea deal

According to court records, Brossart agreed to plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge of criminal mischief for damaging a sheriff’s vehicle during his arrest June 23, 2011.

It’s an Alford plea, in which he doesn’t admit wrongdoing, but that there is enough evidence for a jury to convict him.

He will pay restitution of $1,021 for the damage, plus $300 in fines and fees, and serve a year of unsupervised probation.

In exchange, Welte agreed to recommend that imposition of a jail sentence of up to one year be deferred for one year, then dropped.

Welte also agreed to dismiss felony charges against Brossart of terrorizing and theft, and misdemeanor charges of violating state law on stray animals and resisting arrest.

State District Judge Joel Medd still has to accept the plea agreement. The case was moved from Nelson County to Grand Forks County after defense attorneys said the Brossart family’s history of feuding with neighbors and local officials, along with the small population of the county, made finding an unbiased jury pool difficult.

Other charges

In parallel but separate actions involving the close-knit family, Welte also agreed to amend the felony terrorizing charges against Brossart’s sons — Alex, 28, Thomas, 25 and Jacob, 22 — down to misdemeanor counts of disorderly conduct if they enter similar Alford guilty pleas. They would serve a year of unsupervised probation and each pay $225 in fines and fees.

Brossart’s daughter, Abby Brossart, 30, faced a felony charge of assaulting an officer. Brossart’s wife, Susan, had faced a misdemeanor charge of lying to deputies about the number of firearms hidden at the family farm.

Both women were offered “pre-trial diversions” of their charges, meaning the charges go away.

Janke and his deputies met with Welte in December to express their concerns regarding plea deals. The sheriff said Wednesday he and other law enforcement officers have filed victim impact statements with the court, hoping the judge will not accept the plea deal.

[Mandaree36]

Because of this case - we have new legislation pending here - that would outlaw the use of drones in ND.

This situation, the drones use and all that it bespeaks has gone over here....like a lead brick.

I would add the man it was used against - is a total asshat....but nontheless...we dont want no stinking drones here anymore.