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Old 04-06-2012, 06:53 AM   #1
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Talking AK47 vs AR15 vs Mosin-Nagant

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AK47: It works though you have never cleaned it -- ever.
AR15: You have $9 per ounce special non-detergent synthetic Teflon infused oil for cleaning.
Mosin: It was last cleaned in Berlin in 1945.

AK47: You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from inside.
AR15: You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from 600 meters.
Mosin: You can hit the farm from two counties over.

AK47: Cheap magazines are fun to buy.
AR15: Cheap magazines melt.
Mosin: What's a magazine?

AK47: Your safety can be heard from 300 meters away.
AR15: You can silently flip off the safety with your finger on the trigger.
Mosin: What's a safety?

AK47: Your rifle comes with a cheap nylon sling.
AR15: Your rifle has a 9 point stealth tactical suspension system.
Mosin: Your rifle has dog collars.

AK47: Your bayonet makes a good wire cutter.
AR15: Your bayonet is actually a pretty good steak knife.
Mosin: Your bayonet is longer than your leg.

AK47: You can put a .30" hole through 12" of oak, if you can hit it.
AR15: You can put one hole in a paper target at 100 meters with 30 rounds.
Mosin: You can knock down everyone else's target with the shock wave of your bullet going downrange.

AK47: When out of ammo your rifle will nominally pass as a club.
AR15: When out of ammo, your rifle makes a great wiffle bat.
Mosin: When out of ammo, your rifle makes a supreme war club, pike, boat oar, tent pole, or firewood.

AK47: Recoil is manageable, even fun.
AR15: What's recoil?
Mosin: Recoil is often used to relocate shoulders thrown out by the previous shot.

AK47: Your sight adjustment goes to "10", and you've never bothered moving it.
AR15: Your sight adjustment is incremented in fractions of minute of angle.
Mosin: Your sight adjustment goes to 12 miles and you've actually tried it.

AK47: Your rifle can be used by any two bit nation's most illiterate conscripts to fight elite forces worldwide.
AR15: Your rifle is used by elite forces worldwide to fight two bit nations' most illiterate conscripts.
Mosin: Your rifle has fought against itself and won every time.

AK47: Your rifle won some revolutions.
AR15: Your rifle won the Cold War.
Mosin: Your rifle won a pole vault event.

AK47: You paid $350.
AR15: You paid $900.
Mosin: You paid $59.95.

AK47: You buy cheap ammo by the case.
AR15: You lovingly reload precision crafted rounds one by one.
Mosin: You dig your ammo out of a farmer's field in Ukraine and it works just fine.

AK47: You can intimidate your foe with the bayonet mounted.
AR15: Your foes laugh when you mount your bayonet.
Mosin: You can bayonet your foe on the other side of the river without leaving the comfort of your hole.

AK47: Service life, 50 years.
AR15: Service life, 40 years.
Mosin: Service life, 100 years, and counting.

AK47: It's easier to buy a new rifle when you want to change cartridge sizes.
AR15: You can change cartridge sizes with the push of a couple of pins and a new upper.
Mosin: You believe no real man would dare risk the ridicule of his friends by suggesting there is anything but 7.62x54R.

AK47: You can repair your rifle with a big hammer and a swift kick.
AR15: You can repair your rifle by taking it to a certified gunsmith and it's under warranty!
Mosin: If your rifle breaks, you buy a new one.

AK47: You consider it a badge of honor when you get your handguards to burst into flames.
AR15: You consider it a badge of honor when you shoot a sub-MOA 5 shot group.
Mosin: You consider it a badge of honor when you cycle 5 rounds without the aid of a 2x4.

AK47: After a long day the range you relax by watching "Red Dawn".
AR15: After a long day at the range you relax by watching "Blackhawk Down".
Mosin: After a long day at the range you relax by visiting the chiropractor.

AK47: After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for a stiff shot of Vodka.
AR15: After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for hotdogs and apple pie.
Mosin: After cleaning your rifle you have a strong urge for shishkabob.

AK47: You can accessorize you rifle with a new muzzle brake or a nice stock set.
AR15: Your rifle's accessories are eight times more valuable than your rifle.
Mosin: Your rifle's accessory is a small tin can with a funny lid, but it's buried under an apartment building somewhere in Budapest.

AK47: Your rifle's finish is varnish and paint.
AR15: Your rifle's finish is Teflon and high tech polymers.
Mosin: Your rifle's finish is low grade shellac, cosmoline and Olga's toe nails.

AK47: Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Mikhail Kalashnikov.
AR15: Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Eugene Stoner.
Mosin: You're not sure there WERE cameras to photograph Sergei Mosin.

AK47: Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to hold your rifle over your head and shout "Wolverines!"
AR15: Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to clear your house, slicing the pie from room to room.
Mosin: Late at night, you sometimes have to fight the urge to dig a fighting trench in the yard to sleep in.
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Old 04-08-2012, 07:39 PM   #2
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I love em.... one of my favorites that I'm sure everyone has seen before...


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Old 04-09-2012, 09:34 PM   #4
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Thanks for all the laughs, keep em coming!
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Old 04-11-2012, 01:52 AM   #5
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http://www.zazzle.com/top_ten_soviet...51505247603516

lots of funny shirts for mosin nagants on that website.
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PAP M92 *pistol can carry locked and loaded in my car!
Rock island armory 1911 Tac .45ACP
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Saiga 12 gauge *converted*
Savage 30-30 bolt action.
M995 hi-point 9mm carbine.
Remington 870.
1965 enfield ishapore .308 bolt action
1943 Free .303 Enfield project gun
1941 SVT-40 *TLC DONE!*
All of my russian guns are made at the same izhmash factory in Izhevsk russia!
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They've already had a shoot off show of these weapons. The Mosin did surprisingly well.
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Old 04-11-2012, 08:43 AM   #7
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They've already had a shoot off show of these weapons. The Mosin did surprisingly well.
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Funny, the Vietnam vets and extreme patriots who run my range says its a Russian piece of shit and inaccurace piece of junk..
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Old 04-11-2012, 12:49 PM   #8
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Funny, the Vietnam vets and extreme patriots who run my range says its a Russian piece of shit and inaccurace piece of junk..
ya some people say that. one guy said his mosin nagant at 100 yards wasnt even MOB *min of barn* mine can hit the 4" sporting clays at 100 yards with ease using surplus ammo.
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PAP M92 *pistol can carry locked and loaded in my car!
Rock island armory 1911 Tac .45ACP
bushmaster BAR-10 .308. Takes FAL mags
Saiga 12 gauge *converted*
Savage 30-30 bolt action.
M995 hi-point 9mm carbine.
Remington 870.
1965 enfield ishapore .308 bolt action
1943 Free .303 Enfield project gun
1941 SVT-40 *TLC DONE!*
All of my russian guns are made at the same izhmash factory in Izhevsk russia!
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ya some people say that. one guy said his mosin nagant at 100 yards wasnt even MOB *min of barn* mine can hit the 4" sporting clays at 100 yards with ease using surplus ammo.
exactly, ill admit im not the best shot but when i do line it up it has no issue hitting exactly what i want to hit.
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Funny, the Vietnam vets and extreme patriots who run my range says its a Russian piece of shit and inaccurace piece of junk..
POS? Hardly. Simple? Damn right! My only gripe with the Mosin (you should know this already if you know me in real life or on other gun forums) is that the shape of the butt is not very good for the recoil. It's got a nasty sharp recoil if you're sensitive to hard kicking long guns like I am.
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Old 04-11-2012, 07:23 PM   #12
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Mosin: Your sight adjustment goes to 12 miles and you've actually tried it.

Ha! Been there, tried that!
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Hello,

Did you know that when the United States government bought Mosin-Nagants from Remington and Westinghouse in 1918 to protect them from financial disaster over Russia’s default through revolution, it cost taxpayers $30 apiece? Thirty dollars in 1918 is equivalent to about $452.00 in 2012 dollars.

These were not cheap rifles! They are only inexpensive now because they are being sold at scrap prices to make room and money for Russia!

Properly set up as originally intended and with a good bore, these will do 2.5MOA to sub-MOA.







The Finnish M39 was considered one of the very best battle rifles. The Finns knew how to set up the Mosin-Nagant...

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Hello,

Did you know that when the United States government bought Mosin-Nagants from Remington and Westinghouse in 1918 to protect them from financial disaster over Russia’s default through revolution, it cost taxpayers $30 apiece? Thirty dollars in 1918 is equivalent to about $452.00 in 2012 dollars.

These were not cheap rifles! They are only inexpensive now because they are being sold at scrap prices to make room and money for Russia!

Properly set up as originally intended and with a good bore, these will do 2.5MOA to sub-MOA.







The Finnish M39 was considered one of the very best battle rifles. The Finns knew how to set up the Mosin-Nagant...

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Can u make a Russian mosin shoot like a Finn? What's average price for a finn, I've always wanted 1

Btw that's impressive
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Hello,

Yup... that one is a 91/30 set up like a Finnish rifle!

I have some stuff over on www.smith-sights.com to help people out.

If the bore is good, there's no reason it can't shoot 2.5MOA or better.

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i can never get good groups on paper but put that 4" bright orange target out there and ill tag one every time at 100 yards. hit 5 of them from 250 yards standing off hand. out of 10 rounds fired. the other 5 i think the weight of the gun just got to me and i started to sway.

Heres my best id say at 100 yards. mix of offhand and supported standing. with surplus ammo.


for the price of the gun and ammo you cannot beat it.

i want to try super long dist.

Anyone else put there rear sight to 2,000?? makes the thing like a Grenade launcher!

Also anyone who complains about recoil needs to take it up with my 118lbs G/F who love shooting it. shoots it 20-40 times each time we go out. no bruises or nothing.







in this video you can see how crappy these eyption surplus rounds are. there is about a 1/4 to 1/2 second delay from when the bolt drops to the round going off. threw my aim off all day haha.




yup she really loves that gun. its kind of even named after her. her name is Natalie and the rifle being Russian is named Natalia. started out me loading and working the bolt for her then soon she wanted to load and work the bolt. she gets it about 80% of the time a few of those rounds need a firm smack from my hand thoe. She will no shoot my AR-10 CETME or my 1911.....strange...she wants to shoot my enfeild thoe maybe its just a semi auto thing?? idk.

back to the topic. Any of The office fans out there???

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All you'd need is one hit in the chest/head area. Get to know the idosyncracies of you rifles, so you can make adjustments, if shooting w/iron sites. If sights can't be improved, just practice enough to know how much to the L/R and up or down using the iron sight shoots. What do you want from a rifle that's 100+ years old? You can always go to optics.
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When dad handloaded for his Mosin he could bust 2" rocks all day long at 100+ yards. His original rifle had an almost perfect bore.
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you can drift the front sight over you have to take it out with a brass punch to get the stock off anyways. i can tag alot of stuff at 100 yards with mine. for the money you cannot beat it.
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Also anyone who complains about recoil needs to take it up with my 118lbs G/F who love shooting it. shoots it 20-40 times each time we go out. no bruises or nothing.
Well duh! Her shoulder is padded in those pics.
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