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Old 03-02-2012, 02:09 AM   #1
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Default likelihood of rivets getting loose?

I was watching a video on a guys krink built by redjacket and it had loose rivets on the front trunnion. I have never herd of an ak getting loose rivits before. Is this rare? I have a bulgy kit build from waffen werks and haven't had a problem with over 1000rds put through it. So is it that redjacket sucks at building AKs or are kit builds likely to get loose? Thanks.
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Old 03-02-2012, 04:16 AM   #2
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I'm gunna go with Red Jacket sucks, cause they do.
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Old 03-02-2012, 06:28 AM   #3
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bgolf92 - I have not yet built an AK - however I do personally know men who have and who do - and one of them is an acquaintance of mine who converted a Siaga for me to 922r compliance. The acquaintance has built several for his own use,, including one that he bent the receiver to shape on placing the builder flat on a block of wood and carefully running over the receiver with his truck tire, and that AK build, which he calls his Franken Gun, has over 4,000 rounds thru it. He has had one that he built that some rivits became loose on, although I do not recall if on the front truniion or rear trunion. He explained to me that from what he could tell it was the use of "solt" rivits, that lead to the eventual loose rivits. In other words, the rivits were not heat treated initially, and although they shape more easily, their fastening ability is lessened by their not being heat treated prior to installation. I only purchase hardened rivits, from K-Var and a few others. (The acquaintance of mine also has told me that when he does buy rivits that are not hardened, that he will temper them or harden them himself now, prior to installation.) As to the front trunion, there might also be another reason - not long enough rivits and not installed properly to set the rivit and lock it internally in the trunion thru proper riviting technique. That's my take on it, and am sure that others will comment as well, as I, do not have all the answers.

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Old 03-02-2012, 03:55 PM   #4
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was it that crack-head fag 'cokemachine123' shooting in his trailers basement video? w/ his sweet haji beard.
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Old 03-02-2012, 06:12 PM   #5
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Using AKM rivets on an AK-74 build and also not preparing the receiver by dimpling the holes at the countersunk rivet hols can cause the rivets to the come loose. The swell head rivets in the AKM are fewer and are 4.0 mm while the AK-74 has two more they are 4.5 mm.
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Old 03-02-2012, 06:46 PM   #6
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was it that crack-head fag 'cokemachine123' shooting in his trailers basement video? w/ his sweet haji beard.
As a matter of fact it was.
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Old 03-02-2012, 08:27 PM   #7
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I was in Will Hayden's previous shop about 8 years ago when a guy walked in complaining about the same problem with his krink pistol. Poor fucker payed $1200 on that build just to be told "ya get what ya pay for".
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Old 03-02-2012, 08:48 PM   #8
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Properly installed rivets do not 'loosen up'.
They simply do not.
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Old 03-02-2012, 09:20 PM   #9
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once installed right they wont come loose.

have to be drilled or cut out for removal.
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Old 03-03-2012, 12:18 PM   #10
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Thanks for the replies. Sounds like redjacket didn't build the gun right.
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Old 03-03-2012, 04:23 PM   #11
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Wouldn't be the first time.
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Old 03-04-2012, 01:42 AM   #12
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Loose rivets?! Yikes!!
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Old 03-04-2012, 08:26 PM   #13
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Post #5,....8,...an 9,.......you got it right! Counter-sink receiver w/trunnion that use swell necks, and you shouldn't have a problem. You know,....it's been awhile since I posted out here,.... but there seems to be quite a lot of you that just don't like RedJacket, or Will, the man who runs the business?

From what I have seen, seems like RedJacket is pretty stand up to me. It could be just me,...and I know that little show they put on every week is kinda out there,...but from the info I gather,.....he seems to get quite-abit of contract work with reputable people in very high end applications. Like I said earlier in this post,.....it could just be me and how I really enjoy the show every week......LOL T.C. Ken in Pa.
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Do you actually know the guy? Most arrogant asshole I've ever met and the quality of his work is just as bad as his attitude.
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Old 03-05-2012, 08:31 PM   #15
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Why would anyone buy from those people? I just don't get it!
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Maybe they believe the TV hipe!
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Or, they think Step is a knowledgeable person on guns! Wow !!
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As to Will , he don't have a clue!
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Well I just saw a polish under folder for 450 used but i real good shape with matching numbers orig barrel etc... Then i see 2 rivits loose with the head smaller than it should be so tgere is space from the receiver... Flip it over 2 of the front rivits look not even pressed like if i hammered them theyd come out. He askes me waht Im looking at, i tell him how half the rivits are shit. But he assured me tgey were "fine" i.passed
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Do you actually know the guy? Most arrogant asshole I've ever met and the quality of his work is just as bad as his attitude.
I don't know him well though I spent much of a day with him once. I won't speak to his personality, but I fired a bunch of his guns and they were all beautiful craftsmanship. Now the TV show aside the man built a very good reputation among AK owners, so I can't help but think that either a) he's given up on quality and is now producing crap or b) most of his work is great, and the OP happened to find the bad apple in the lot.
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My experience with his products come from visiting his previous shop on a number of occasions (Red Stick had a 25 yd indoor range) and examining some of the builds he had for sale. While some of them were of remarkable craftsmanship, the majority of his work looked rushed and had quality control issues that ranged from poor finish to loose rivets. If you want to gamble on an AK, you might as well buy a WASR and some duracoat.
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My experience with his products come from visiting his previous shop on a number of occasions (Red Stick had a 25 yd indoor range) and examining some of the builds he had for sale. While some of them were of remarkable craftsmanship, the majority of his work looked rushed and had quality control issues that ranged from poor finish to loose rivets. If you want to gamble on an AK, you might as well buy a WASR and some duracoat.
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