Blackjack Buffers

VaFisher · 01-25-2006, 05:23 AM

How are the blackjack buffers. Do they work as good as it sounds.

Toten Kopf · 01-25-2006, 07:08 AM

They work great...

At first I didn't use them, listening to what others had to say about AK's not needing them.

But after seeing bolt/carrier impact marks on my rear trunnion (tang), I decided to install one just to see what would happen. Well, it did seem to soften the recoil (I use the green ones) and the bolt/carrier impact marks are now on the buffer, no more metal to metal contact.

While the AK wasn't build with one, I just can't see how metal to metal impact/contact is a good thing. I use them on all my builds and recommend them for use to others.

Just my thing....

Conn. AK · 01-25-2006, 08:40 AM

It seems to vary from model to model. In my 2000 and 2001 SAR1s the buffer really isn't needed because it's clear that no collision takes place at the rear. Some whack the back, apparently, probably the loose tolerance in the manufacture. Probably makes it a good idea to install a green buffer if you have contact at the rear.I put a swipe of latex house paint at the end of my 2001 bolt-carrier once to see if after a day of shooting any white paint showed up at the rear of the receiver and it didn't...or it did and didn't leave a mark, but I doubt it. That video showing an AKM in slo-mo on full-auto with the top cover off shows the travel seems to vary from round to round with contact happening a couple of times and the bolt falling well short of the back on some rounds. I have used green buffers in mine because I bought them and the buffer in the 2001 takes a greater beating than the 2000 making me believe alot of factors play into the recoil and it (the travel) varies from rifle to rifle because of loose design, spring tension, ammo used, etc. Funny, the green buffer in the 2000 has a minor indentation while the buffer in the 2001 will need replacement soon. But either way, neither rifle shows signs of wear from the many rounds in both rifles without the buffers at the rear of the carrier nor the rear of the receiver. Best aspect for me in using the buffers is it seems to quiet the operation a bit. When you shoot 300-500 rounds in an afternoon at the range (every 3 months I hit the range and spend the morning) nothing gets more annoying than the spring in the buttstock vibrating without the buffer installed. I'd say it's a good idea to use a buffer whether there is contact or not. I've never heard of a short cycle problem with Blackjack buffers, either.

Conn. AK · 01-25-2006, 08:57 AM

Check out website www.kurzzeit.com and click on "video" Scroll to the bottom and click on http://www.bsg-dornier.de/schiessen/...ilme/filme.htm It's a video of an AKM on full-auto with the top off. It's clear with this AKM that the carrier hits the back of the receiver on some rounds and falls well short on others. Better safe than sorry, I guess. I need to get a replcement buffer for my 2001 now..................

VaFisher · 01-26-2006, 05:43 AM

Thanks for all your kind reply's. Looks like I will try these myself.

01-25-2006, 05:23 AM	#1
VaFisher Member AKaholic #: 5065 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 36	Blackjack Buffers How are the blackjack buffers. Do they work as good as it sounds.

01-25-2006, 07:08 AM	#2
Toten Kopf Member AKaholic #: 1420 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WYOMING Posts: 428	They work great... At first I didn't use them, listening to what others had to say about AK's not needing them. But after seeing bolt/carrier impact marks on my rear trunnion (tang), I decided to install one just to see what would happen. Well, it did seem to soften the recoil (I use the green ones) and the bolt/carrier impact marks are now on the buffer, no more metal to metal contact. While the AK wasn't build with one, I just can't see how metal to metal impact/contact is a good thing. I use them on all my builds and recommend them for use to others. Just my thing....

01-25-2006, 08:40 AM	#3
Conn. AK Senior Member AKaholic #: 4732 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 542	It seems to vary from model to model. In my 2000 and 2001 SAR1s the buffer really isn't needed because it's clear that no collision takes place at the rear. Some whack the back, apparently, probably the loose tolerance in the manufacture. Probably makes it a good idea to install a green buffer if you have contact at the rear.I put a swipe of latex house paint at the end of my 2001 bolt-carrier once to see if after a day of shooting any white paint showed up at the rear of the receiver and it didn't...or it did and didn't leave a mark, but I doubt it. That video showing an AKM in slo-mo on full-auto with the top cover off shows the travel seems to vary from round to round with contact happening a couple of times and the bolt falling well short of the back on some rounds. I have used green buffers in mine because I bought them and the buffer in the 2001 takes a greater beating than the 2000 making me believe alot of factors play into the recoil and it (the travel) varies from rifle to rifle because of loose design, spring tension, ammo used, etc. Funny, the green buffer in the 2000 has a minor indentation while the buffer in the 2001 will need replacement soon. But either way, neither rifle shows signs of wear from the many rounds in both rifles without the buffers at the rear of the carrier nor the rear of the receiver. Best aspect for me in using the buffers is it seems to quiet the operation a bit. When you shoot 300-500 rounds in an afternoon at the range (every 3 months I hit the range and spend the morning) nothing gets more annoying than the spring in the buttstock vibrating without the buffer installed. I'd say it's a good idea to use a buffer whether there is contact or not. I've never heard of a short cycle problem with Blackjack buffers, either.

01-25-2006, 08:57 AM	#4
Conn. AK Senior Member AKaholic #: 4732 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 542	Check out website www.kurzzeit.com and click on "video" Scroll to the bottom and click on http://www.bsg-dornier.de/schiessen/...ilme/filme.htm It's a video of an AKM on full-auto with the top off. It's clear with this AKM that the carrier hits the back of the receiver on some rounds and falls well short on others. Better safe than sorry, I guess. I need to get a replcement buffer for my 2001 now..................

01-26-2006, 05:43 AM	#5
VaFisher Member AKaholic #: 5065 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 36	Thanks for all your kind reply's. Looks like I will try these myself.

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