Best Milled Receiver AK currently on the market?

[mannythegreek]

Hey all,

What is the best milled receiver AK currently on the market? A good friend of mine has an Arsenal SA M7 R that is probably the smoothest AK I have ever shot in my life.

I know that century has a few milled guns out but I want to really find something high quality, new, with a fixed stock in the 1000-1500 dollar price range. Any suggestions?

Thanks

MannytheGreek

[RealSeat]

Polytech Legend

[adamg01]

I would say more than likely a milled Bulgarian would be more accurate than a Legend but other than that, you could flip a coin. The Legend is more collectable but I would rather have a properly converted SA93 or SLR100.

[Xlegionaire]

I would call the firing lines milled rifles the best on the market! but you will have a hard time getting one in your price range, a new on anyway

[Sentinel SOSC]

Polytech Legend.

[synchronicity]

Arsenal.
Unconverted SLR95.
Or a properly converted SLR95 to ones taste.

Edited to add:The Polytech and the SLR95 and the SA93 and the SLR100 to the best of my knowledge are currently only
available on the secondary market and hence are not "currently on the market" per the OP question.

[zeme05]

I own 3 milled Arsenals two were made here (SAM 7, SAS M7 "Classic") and one in Bulgaria ( SA 93). I paid $650 for one and $700ea for the other two. All are great shooters. That being said I think the bulgarian may have a slight edge. I owned a Poly Tech for a short time but it was just too nice for me. I want a shooter not a safe queen. I did make $600 on the deal though! Keep an I out at local gun stores and pawn shops, that's where I found mine. Check out Gunbroker.com and Auction arms.com

[nalioth]

Originally Posted by zeme05

I own 3 milled Arsenals two were made here (SAM 7, SAS M7 "Classic") and one in Bulgaria ( SA 93).

None were made here.

All Arsenal rifles & shotguns are imported from Arsenal of Bulgaria (or Russia) in "neutered" form, and the folks in Las Vegas make them 922r-compliant and able to accept milsurp mags.

This is the same procedure that is performed on the WASR, SSR-85C, Vz58, and probably others I can't think of right now.

[HWI]

Originally Posted by nalioth

None were made here.

All Arsenal rifles & shotguns are imported from Arsenal of Bulgaria (or Russia) in "neutered" form, and the folks in Las Vegas make them 922r-compliant and able to accept milsurp mags.

This is the same procedure that is performed on the WASR, SSR-85C, Vz58, and probably others I can't think of right now.

That's not true, Arsenal does make milled receivers in Las Vegas. You can go to their web site and see that on some of the milled guns it says the receivers are U.S. made.

[nalioth]

Originally Posted by HWI

That's not true, Arsenal does make milled receivers in Las Vegas. You can go to their web site and see that on some of the milled guns it says the receivers are U.S. made.

Got a link to a picture?


The 922r law allows folks to advertise their guns as "U.S. made" so long as they're 922r compliant (no matter how many parts are actually foreign made). This is the law that Arsenal is using to increase their business (by misleading folks into "buying American).

Their receivers aren't U.S. made.

[beefjerkly]

I've heard arsenal at SHOT talk about how they make their own receivers now. They no longer import the bulgarian milled guns. All USA made. (I think they get their barrels from those bulgarian ssr rifles...not sure though)

[HWI]

Originally Posted by nalioth

Got a link to a picture?


The 922r law allows folks to advertise their guns as "U.S. made" so long as they're 922r compliant (no matter how many parts are actually foreign made). This is the law that Arsenal is using to increase their business (by misleading folks into "buying American).

Their receivers aren't U.S. made.

Here's a pic I found online, the receiver doesn't have any foreign markings on it, just the Arsenal ones.


Also, in one of the Nutnfancy videos he goes shooting in Nevada with someone from Arsenal and the guy says in that video that they make milled receivers at their place in Vegas.

I didn't realize that they can advertise their guns as made in the U.S. if it is 922r compliant, but I am pretty sure some of the Arsenal milled receivers are made in Vegas.

[nalioth]

Originally Posted by HWI

Here's a pic I found online, the receiver doesn't have any foreign markings on it, just the Arsenal ones.
http://i.imgur.com/Eg0YE.jpg

Yep, those are what are called "import markings". The company that imports the firearm has to mark it with their info.

None of Arsenal's AK rifles or shotguns are manufactured in the USA.

[beefjerkly]

but notice how it doesnt say "made in bulgaria". They mill them at their factory in vegas. Call and ask them to verify. Here Walker from arsenal confirms it...

skip to 3:55

http://www.youtube.com/nutnfancy#p/search/3/ru44_rc-tSc

and skip to 12:30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shlDingkrZk

[HWI]

Originally Posted by nalioth

Yep, those are what are called "import markings". The company that imports the firearm has to mark it with their info.

None of Arsenal's AK rifles or shotguns are manufactured in the USA.

All the AK receivers I have seen have the country of origin on them, this one only has Arsenal markings on it. Why do you think it came from another country?

[nalioth]

Originally Posted by HWI

All the AK receivers I have seen have the country of origin on them, this one only has Arsenal markings on it. Why do you think it came from another country?

Because Arsenal, Inc was incorporated to be the United States sales arm of Arsenal of Bulgaria?

"Country of origin" markings aren't required on imported guns - just the importer's markings.

[HWI]

I thought Arsenal Inc and Arsenal of Bulgaria were two different companies that just did business with one another, but I may be wrong. Though, Arsenal's SGL line of rifles have the Russian and Legion markings in addition to the Arsenal markings, where as some of their milled rifles only have the Arsenal markings with no out of country markings. In addition, there are a couple youtube videos where an Arsenal employee states that they make milled receivers in Vegas. So I am still pretty sure that Arsenal does make some of their own milled receivers. I guess you could just call or email them and ask.

[nalioth]

Originally Posted by HWI

In addition, there are a couple youtube videos where an Arsenal employee states that they make milled receivers in Vegas. So I am still pretty sure that Arsenal does make some of their own milled receivers. I guess you could just call or email them and ask.

Wouldn't be the first time Arsenal lied, er, stretched the truth to sell more guns.

[zeme05]

Since I started all this let me tell you what I read, the forgeings are made in Bulgaria and sent to the US for milling. Makes sense to me. Also like Nalioth said Arsenal of US is a wholey owned susidary of Arsenal of Bulgaria.

[John Fritz]

Originally Posted by zeme05

Since I started all this let me tell you what I read, the forgeings are made in Bulgaria and sent to the US for milling. Makes sense to me. Also like Nalioth said Arsenal of US is a wholey owned susidary of Arsenal of Bulgaria.

Plenty of handgun guys do stuff like that.

[Enraged Gecko]

Arsenal USA is an importer for Arsenal Bulgaria. They are separate companies, though like SIG Sauer, most people have extreme difficulty discerning where one company ends and the other begins.

[nalioth]

Originally Posted by Enraged Gecko

Arsenal USA is an importer for Arsenal Bulgaria. They are separate companies, though like SIG Sauer, most people have extreme difficulty discerning where one company ends and the other begins.

Arsenal USA (Houston, Texas) has been out of business for years.

Arsenal, Inc (Las Vegas) was created with the ¢ooperation of Ar$enal of Bulgaria. While they may be "separate companies", they're separate like Bushmaster and Remington are.

[Scott7891]

Foreign made ones are the best, Polytech Legends and Bulgarian milled variants. I have an SLR-100H that is wonderful plus converted by Vector so i can use the bayonet lug and threaded barrel.

For domestic receivers Firing Line is also good (but I hate the stupid American Eagle they engrave on the side of the receiver which to me ruins the aesthetics of a non-American gun to begin with, why couldn't they put their info underneath the receiver like NoDak Spud does?)

For those who don't want that stupid billboard sticking out CNC Warrior is also a good alternative and offer a variety of cloned milled receivers from different countries that built them.

[zeme05]

Got an email today from Kvar they are now stocking the SAS M 7 "Classic" again going for $1999. Picked mine up out of a pawn shop a few years ago for $699 OTD

[Sneakers1971]

Originally Posted by zeme05

Got an email today from Kvar they are now stocking the SAS M 7 "Classic" again going for $1999. Picked mine up out of a pawn shop a few years ago for $699 OTD

It gives ya that warm fuzzy feeling doesn't it?

[Tomfoolery]

Best milled AK variant in the 1k-1.2k range???

Yugo M76.

[insider]

Try to find an SA-93 they are the best Bulgarian milled AK's using all Bulgarian parts.

[Enraged Gecko]

I'd rather get a pair of PTR-91s for what a new milled arsenal costs. got mine for $850 in '06, but there's no way in hell I'm dropping $2000 on an AK

[adamg01]

Originally Posted by Enraged Gecko

I'd rather get a pair of PTR-91s for what a new milled arsenal costs. got mine for $850 in '06, but there's no way in hell I'm dropping $2000 on an AK

Yeah, I agree. The best deal is to find an SA93 or 95 and covert it. You would probably have just under a $1,000 in the whole thing.

[Southeast Offroad]

Milled MAK-90. I have (2) of them.

[nitrous_bob]

Originally Posted by RealSeat

Polytech Legend

but he said $1000-1500

NOT $3000

id NEVER buy a legend...... and if you gave it to me...id trade it for 3 mak90's

+1 on the MAK

[Enraged Gecko]

For the same price as a Polytech Legend, you can buy an FN SCAR 17s. The AK was designed to be unreasonably reliable, easy to operate and INEXPENSIVE...... $3000 isn't inexpensive

[Jaimenv]

Collectability makes some items get crazy expensive, even when they are no better than the currently made ones.

This is why the Polytech NM Legend milled receiver rifles command a premium.

[zeme05]

I bought a Polytech Legend LNIB for $1300 last month and then turned it for $1900 took the money and bought a Saiga and a TGI AMD. It was a nice rifle but maybe too nice for me. I want a gun I can laydown on the shooting bench and not worry about deminishing the value by $200 if it gets a scratch. It really shot/handled no better than my Arsenal SA 93. I think there are alot of people worshiping at the Polytech alter these days.

[dontlitethat]

It's been 7 years since I last posted.. Couldn't hold back after today.. I had a misr-90 egypt ,When I first got the gun it was starting to egg out where the trigger pin is, and the lovely trigger snap..I had the hole for the trigger pin oversized and a trigger pin made then secured with retainer clips and tack welded in place to stop any movement. shot many of thousands of rounds and plenty of bump firing fun' I never and any other serious problems..I did notice the areas where the bolt slides on the reciver needs to cleaned of debris and make sure the bolt groove is free of any nics or burrs and proberly maintained or the sheet metal will wear faster than you think...have heard guys tell me they bent the pin into a banana shape and wear the stamped receiver out.. I sold the rifle to a fiend and ask him often how it's operating, he loves it....I start to think I should of kept it...I will see if I can dig up some pics I have.
Love the ak47'
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Rob.M