? About adding sn#'s

Sneakers1971 · 02-04-2012, 03:10 PM

I wanted to know if you need to or should add sn#'s to
a virgin m92 kit?
Im building it as a side folder, so originality is not a concern.

Sweersa · 02-04-2012, 04:04 PM

Only the receiver needs a serial number if I'm not mistaken.

I think you can build from a flat without a serial number too, but that is only if you plan on keeping it and not building it to sell.

Petro · 02-04-2012, 04:09 PM

If doing an SBR, it will need aserial number and other info.

Sneakers1971 · 02-04-2012, 04:48 PM

Thanks, im aware of the serial #'s from the reciver and it needs to be etched for sbr.
Im talking about front trunion, my fault should have been more clear on that.
Do I need to add or have any engraved on the front trunion, or just leave it virgin.

nalioth · 02-04-2012, 06:46 PM

In the USA, only a commercial receiver requires a serial number.

If you're building the gun for your own personal use, no serial number is required. If you're building it for your own personal use and want a serial number, it must go on the receiver (but you can have a serial number on every stinkin' part if you want - so long as the receiver has one).

As noted, NFA law may have other marking requirements.

KernelKrink · 02-04-2012, 07:55 PM

The front trunnion is not the receiver, nothing needs marked on it.

Sneakers1971 · 02-04-2012, 08:43 PM

Thanks everyone! I just was not shure about it.

motorhead · 02-05-2012, 10:50 PM

on a homebuild, only if you sell it. name, city and caliber too iirc. this is one reason many return them to kits for sale.

Jones · 02-05-2012, 11:36 PM

Two good arguments for S/N (or some unique identifying marks) are:
Less questions/excitement from LEOs if they're busy admiring it.
Easier to get it back if lost or stolen.

motorhead's got a good point too; if sold as a kit you can side-step a lot of future liability headaches-- cause we all know how sue-happy people are these days.

Sneakers1971 · 02-06-2012, 09:20 PM

Jones are you saying that I might benifit from putting sn#'s on the front trunion.
What #'s would I use? Or where to find them?
I don't think I would want a number that was used already, would I?
Maby use the reciver #'s If I would do it I would think I would want a Yugo #.
Sorry to sound dumb, but I have looked around and have not found much info on this
except for someone who had custom # ingraved for zombie's or something?

nalioth · 02-06-2012, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sneakers1971

Jones are you saying that I might benifit from putting sn#'s on the front trunion.
What #'s would I use? Or where to find them?
I don't think I would want a number that was used already, would I?
Maby use the reciver #'s If I would do it I would think I would want a Yugo #.
Sorry to sound dumb, but I have looked around and have not found much info on this
except for someone who had custom # ingraved for zombie's or something?

Jones didn't say bupkus about a front trunnion serial number.

The factory marks the front trunnion with the serial number, but not the receiver.

Here in the USA, it's the receiver (not the barrel trunnion) that the serial number is legally required to be inscribed upon.

KernelKrink · 02-06-2012, 10:12 PM

Jones is referring to home made receivers, such as bent flats. On those, non-NFA rifles do not need any markings if it remains in your possession. However, putting a number on it is a good idea from the standpoint of ID should it get stolen. Also most cops are not going to know it doesn't need any markings, and the lack thereof might cause them to think you removed it.

A receiver made by a licensed manufacturer and obtained through an FFL will already have a serial number on it. NFA builds will either use that existing serial number, or if on a flat, you would have to make one up and engrave it in. You cannot make 3 SBRs from flats and number them all 001, they each need a unique number. Unique to you, you don't need to worry about what anyone else used as a number.

Again, a trunnion is not a receiver on a US made rifle. The only reason there are markings there on foreign made rifles is that's where they decided to place their serial numbers. You don't have to put anything there unless you want to.

Sneakers1971 · 02-06-2012, 10:20 PM

Got ya! Yes im using a Nodak reciver, and realize that it has it's own #.
Just was not shure how it was stated, it sounded like I might benifit from additional markings
on the front trunion.
Im clear now, thank you!

Jones · 02-07-2012, 12:27 AM

Sneakers,
The Kernel makes a good point and to clarify further; it is possible to have the same serial number show up on different guns, IF they are by different makers. IF the receiver you're using is already numbered, go with that. Extra numbers would only add to the confusion.

You as the maker wouldn't want to build three previously unnumbered AKs with the same number but beyond that the number you choose/assign is up to you. i.e. AK-762-01, AK-762-02 and AK-762-03. Or S1971-01, S1971-02, and S1971-03 for a more personal touch.

02-04-2012, 03:10 PM	#1
Sneakers1971 Curio & Relic AKaholic #: 157433 Join Date: May 2011 Location: US, Pennsylvania, Roaring Spring PA. Posts: 2,137	? About adding sn#'s I wanted to know if you need to or should add sn#'s to a virgin m92 kit? Im building it as a side folder, so originality is not a concern. __________________ "There are no good guns. There are no bad guns. Any gun in the hands of a bad man is a bad thing. Any gun in the hands of a decent person is no threat to anybody.........except bad people." -Charleton Heston "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not" -Thomas Jefferson

02-04-2012, 04:48 PM	#4
Sneakers1971 Curio & Relic AKaholic #: 157433 Join Date: May 2011 Location: US, Pennsylvania, Roaring Spring PA. Posts: 2,137	Thanks, im aware of the serial #'s from the reciver and it needs to be etched for sbr. Im talking about front trunion, my fault should have been more clear on that. Do I need to add or have any engraved on the front trunion, or just leave it virgin. __________________ "There are no good guns. There are no bad guns. Any gun in the hands of a bad man is a bad thing. Any gun in the hands of a decent person is no threat to anybody.........except bad people." -Charleton Heston "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not" -Thomas Jefferson

02-04-2012, 06:46 PM	#5
nalioth Devil's Advocate AKaholic #: 5678 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 13,247	In the USA, only a commercial receiver requires a serial number. If you're building the gun for your own personal use, no serial number is required. If you're building it for your own personal use and want a serial number, it must go on the receiver (but you can have a serial number on every stinkin' part if you want - so long as the receiver has one). As noted, NFA law may have other marking requirements. __________________ I make custom signature images - click for more info "Tactical" is a mindset, not an equipment list. Home \| Forum \| Blog \| PicPaste \| ♠ ImgDump \| ☎ Nalioth

02-04-2012, 08:43 PM	#7
Sneakers1971 Curio & Relic AKaholic #: 157433 Join Date: May 2011 Location: US, Pennsylvania, Roaring Spring PA. Posts: 2,137	Thanks everyone! I just was not shure about it. __________________ "There are no good guns. There are no bad guns. Any gun in the hands of a bad man is a bad thing. Any gun in the hands of a decent person is no threat to anybody.........except bad people." -Charleton Heston "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not" -Thomas Jefferson

02-05-2012, 10:50 PM	#8
motorhead EVIL GENIUS AKaholic #: 6093 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: peoples republik of kalifornia Posts: 14,186	on a homebuild, only if you sell it. name, city and caliber too iirc. this is one reason many return them to kits for sale. __________________ Causing reproductive damage for over 40 years.

02-04-2012, 04:04 PM	#2
Sweersa Curio & Relic AKaholic #: 157316 Join Date: May 2011 Location: USA MI Posts: 4,894	Only the receiver needs a serial number if I'm not mistaken. I think you can build from a flat without a serial number too, but that is only if you plan on keeping it and not building it to sell.

02-04-2012, 04:09 PM	#3
Petro Veteran Member AKaholic #: 6097 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: CT Posts: 1,392	If doing an SBR, it will need aserial number and other info.

02-04-2012, 07:55 PM	#6
KernelKrink Curio & Relic AKaholic #: 2036 Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 7,533	The front trunnion is not the receiver, nothing needs marked on it.

02-05-2012, 11:36 PM	#9
Jones Senior Member AKaholic #: 157926 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: U. S. A. Posts: 534	Two good arguments for S/N (or some unique identifying marks) are: Less questions/excitement from LEOs if they're busy admiring it. Easier to get it back if lost or stolen. motorhead's got a good point too; if sold as a kit you can side-step a lot of future liability headaches-- cause we all know how sue-happy people are these days. __________________ Jones Sacramento, Cal. MIRACLE MACHINE WORKS "If it's a good part, it's a Miracle".

02-06-2012, 09:20 PM	#10
Sneakers1971 Curio & Relic AKaholic #: 157433 Join Date: May 2011 Location: US, Pennsylvania, Roaring Spring PA. Posts: 2,137	Jones are you saying that I might benifit from putting sn#'s on the front trunion. What #'s would I use? Or where to find them? I don't think I would want a number that was used already, would I? Maby use the reciver #'s If I would do it I would think I would want a Yugo #. Sorry to sound dumb, but I have looked around and have not found much info on this except for someone who had custom # ingraved for zombie's or something? __________________ "There are no good guns. There are no bad guns. Any gun in the hands of a bad man is a bad thing. Any gun in the hands of a decent person is no threat to anybody.........except bad people." -Charleton Heston "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not" -Thomas Jefferson

02-06-2012, 10:12 PM	#12
KernelKrink Curio & Relic AKaholic #: 2036 Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 7,533	Jones is referring to home made receivers, such as bent flats. On those, non-NFA rifles do not need any markings if it remains in your possession. However, putting a number on it is a good idea from the standpoint of ID should it get stolen. Also most cops are not going to know it doesn't need any markings, and the lack thereof might cause them to think you removed it. A receiver made by a licensed manufacturer and obtained through an FFL will already have a serial number on it. NFA builds will either use that existing serial number, or if on a flat, you would have to make one up and engrave it in. You cannot make 3 SBRs from flats and number them all 001, they each need a unique number. Unique to you, you don't need to worry about what anyone else used as a number. Again, a trunnion is not a receiver on a US made rifle. The only reason there are markings there on foreign made rifles is that's where they decided to place their serial numbers. You don't have to put anything there unless you want to.

02-06-2012, 10:20 PM	#13
Sneakers1971 Curio & Relic AKaholic #: 157433 Join Date: May 2011 Location: US, Pennsylvania, Roaring Spring PA. Posts: 2,137	Got ya! Yes im using a Nodak reciver, and realize that it has it's own #. Just was not shure how it was stated, it sounded like I might benifit from additional markings on the front trunion. Im clear now, thank you! __________________ "There are no good guns. There are no bad guns. Any gun in the hands of a bad man is a bad thing. Any gun in the hands of a decent person is no threat to anybody.........except bad people." -Charleton Heston "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not" -Thomas Jefferson

02-07-2012, 12:27 AM	#14
Jones Senior Member AKaholic #: 157926 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: U. S. A. Posts: 534	Sneakers, The Kernel makes a good point and to clarify further; it is possible to have the same serial number show up on different guns, IF they are by different makers. IF the receiver you're using is already numbered, go with that. Extra numbers would only add to the confusion. You as the maker wouldn't want to build three previously unnumbered AKs with the same number but beyond that the number you choose/assign is up to you. i.e. AK-762-01, AK-762-02 and AK-762-03. Or S1971-01, S1971-02, and S1971-03 for a more personal touch. __________________ Jones Sacramento, Cal. MIRACLE MACHINE WORKS "If it's a good part, it's a Miracle". Last edited by Jones; 02-07-2012 at 12:35 AM.

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