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Old 11-17-2017, 03:16 PM   #1
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Default Hazardous, Restricted, and Perishable Mail - US Postal Service

Summary of Changes
Publication 52,

Hazardous, Restricted, and Perishable Mail
Publication 52,

Hazardous, Restricted, and Perishable Mail,
has been updated, effective November 10, 2016,
with the following changes:

https://pe.usps.com/cpim/ftp/pubs/pub52/pub52.pdf

It looks like firearms begin on page 97 of the PDF.
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Old 11-17-2017, 09:07 PM   #2
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So, now mailing long guns requires signature service.

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Other than that, it's the same ol' thing . .
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Old 11-18-2017, 12:18 AM   #3
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One thing to note is, the US Postal Service may have regulations in addition to those of the ATF when mailing firearms.

Just because laws or ATF regulations don't mention certain requirements about mailing firearms, the USPS may have its own addirional requirements about mailing firearms.

It's usually unlawful to violate postal regulations, even if they aren't written as laws.

Federal law requires following postal regulations.
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Old 11-18-2017, 12:20 AM   #4
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One thing to note is, the US Postal Service may have regulations in addition to those of the ATF when mailing firearms.

Just because laws or ATF regulations don't mention certain requirements about mailing firearms, the USPS may have its own addirional requirements about mailing firearms.

It's usually unlawful to violate postal regulations, even if they aren't written as laws.

Federal law requires following postal regulations.
. . . this thread is about the USPS regs, no?

If not, what did you link to?
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Old 11-18-2017, 12:26 AM   #5
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. . . this thread is about the USPS regs, no?

If not, what did you link to?
Yes, USPS.

There are more to them than just what federal law and ATF have to say about them.
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For several years when mailing any kind of parcel, I was always asked if the package contained a firearm, hazardous or restricted items.

These days they have a screen on the counter with that question on it that I have to answer.

I'm pretty sure trying to deceive the postal clerk would be a violation.

Firearms are not prohibited, but are restricted items for the mail.
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Yes, USPS.

There are more to them than just what federal law and ATF have to say about them.
Mmmm, yeah.

Isn't that what this thread is about?

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For several years when mailing any kind of parcel, I was always asked if the package contained a firearm, hazardous or restricted items.
It's illegal for the USPS to ask you if you're shipping firearms. Sounds like you're been subject to an antigun counter agent or manager.

"Fragile, hazardous or liquid" is all they can ask.

The local post offices all have posters everywhere of stuff you can't mail, but none of them mention firearms at all.
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Mmmm, yeah.

Isn't that what this thread is about?

It's illegal for the USPS to ask you if you're shipping firearms. Sounds like you're been subject to an antigun counter agent or manager.

"Fragile, hazardous or liquid" is all they can ask.

The local post offices all have posters everywhere of stuff you can't mail, but none of them mention firearms at all.
They ALWAYS ask if there are any, "restricted" items.

According to postal regulations, firearms are restricted items.

Before they had the conformation screens on the counter, they always asked me if the package contained a firearm.
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Publication 52, Hazardous, Restricted, and Perishable Mail

https://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/welcome.htm

4 Restricted Matter

https://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c4_001.htm

41 General
42 Intoxicating Liquors
43 Firearms
44 Knives and Sharp Instruments
45 Other Restricted Materials
46 Animal-Fighting Ventures
47 Cigarettes and Smokeless Tobacco


https://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c4_008.htm
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Publication 52, Hazardous, Restricted, and Perishable Mail

https://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/welcome.htm

4 Restricted Matter

https://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c4_001.htm

41 General
42 Intoxicating Liquors
43 Firearms
44 Knives and Sharp Instruments
45 Other Restricted Materials
46 Animal-Fighting Ventures
47 Cigarettes and Smokeless Tobacco


https://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c4_008.htm
You know you keep linking to the same regulations, right?
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You know you keep linking to the same regulations, right?
Pointing that out to someone who obviously ignores the button is kind of useless don't you think?
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You know you keep linking to the same regulations, right?
The links come up different for me.

Maybe different ways to access the same regulations, but they are there.

Apparently when somebody at the post office ask if there are any restricted items, that includes firearms.

So there is no difference in that question or asking if there are firearms.
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The links come up different for me.

Maybe different ways to access the same regulations, but they are there.

Apparently when somebody at the post office ask if there are any restricted items, that includes firearms.

So there is no difference in that question or asking if there are firearms.
\\ cue refrain \\

. . . except my local post offices doesn't ask anything about "restricted".

They ask "Is there anything perishable, hazardous or liquid?"
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\\ cue refrain \\

. . . except my local post offices doesn't ask anything about "restricted".

They ask "Is there anything perishable, hazardous or liquid?"
These days they just point at the screen on the counter and tell me to answer the question on it.
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I accidentally hit the "YES" button last Friday when mailing out a pair of Israeli FAL handguards. The clerk waived it off and said "Don't worry about it."
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