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Old 04-15-2018, 12:04 PM   #36
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A power tailgate?
Sounds retarded. I'll fully admit I like the drop assist on my Titan, but I'm not sure fucking pussy and I can lift a damn tailgate.
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Power locking tailgates have been around for a while. Tailgate dampers to gently lower them have too, and for those that don't come with them companies like DeeZee make them. Power opening and closing seems kind of unnecessary, but if people want it they can pay for it
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Power locking tailgates have been around for a while. Tailgate dampers to gently lower them have too, and for those that don't come with them companies like DeeZee make them. Power opening and closing seems kind of unnecessary, but if people want it they can pay for it
Power locking and lowering assist are great. If it's power up like a window I'm not sure why that's even a thing. Like they had some engineering apprentices with a bunch of time and they went to town. That's how some of the most useless projects at the company I work for start.
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Yeah I don't even really care for power open and close on minivan and SUV hatches
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Diesel engine was a decent engine back in the day. When turbo was added it actually came quite good. Then came all the environmental crap and all those EGR, different sensors etc were added and it made the engine crappier. Just think about the old diesels, after you start it you basically don't need any electrical power to keep it running. Nowadays, some sensor failure and the damn thing goes into limp mode.

I owned back in Europe sometime mid 2000s a 2,0L turbodiesel station wagon. It was reasonably fast and good torque. Great mileage also. Engine was mechanically great but then with the age of the car came the electrical troubles. And those didn't make any sense. Like one glow plug went bad. That meant that SES light came on and engine went to limp mode, no turbo boost etc. Sucked big time. My buddy had a Land Rover at the time. That was a great setup, it was old enough so everything was mechanical, no throttle by wire BS etc and no EGR crap. Still it was new enough to have turbo. Good power and no electrical problems.
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Not sure why more light truck makers don't follow Dodge's lead and use the smaller commercial diesel engines in their trucks, instead of trying to reinvent the wheel.

exactly

- a 4bt cummins would be plenty of power for a 1/2 ton chebby
or even a 4 cylinder perkins

of course a 24 valve 6 cyl turbo diesel would be even better
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Old 04-15-2018, 12:57 PM   #42
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I owned back in Europe sometime mid 2000s a 2,0L turbodiesel station wagon. It was reasonably fast and good torque. Great mileage also. Engine was mechanically great but then with the age of the car came the electrical troubles. And those didn't make any sense. Like one glow plug went bad. That meant that SES light came on and engine went to limp mode, no turbo boost etc. Sucked big time. My buddy had a Land Rover at the time. That was a great setup, it was old enough so everything was mechanical, no throttle by wire BS etc and no EGR crap. Still it was new enough to have turbo. Good power and no electrical problems.
Well, there's your problem.

It wasn't a "real" diesel engine.
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Well, there's your problem.

It wasn't a "real" diesel engine.
Your definition of "real diesel" would be one that uses a grid heater then?
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Stupid expensive and ugly, I will keep my base model 94 F150 with 300 6 cyl., 5 speed and my 80 K3500 GMC.
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I'll keep my 99 Cummins. It's a 24 valve, I wish it was a 12 valve.


1994-2002 was the sweet spot for diesel motors (chevy-2001-2005). Everything since has to be fixed, patched or a make do.
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Well, there's your problem.

It wasn't a "real" diesel engine.
Your definition of "real diesel" would be one that uses a grid heater then?
Rudolf didn't include glow plugs in his engine design.
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exactly

- a 4bt cummins would be plenty of power for a 1/2 ton chebby
or even a 4 cylinder perkins

of course a 24 valve 6 cyl turbo diesel would be even better
Thruthflly pick up truck diesels should be 4 cyl diesels like in some of the jap can forward trucks, just drop in the Isuzu, hino, mitsu fuso engines they are proven to work in these little cab over box trucks for many years.

The 4bt is a good engine problem with it is shakes too much I think they don’t have s counterbalancer in them. Cummins 4bt engines are always mounted in equipment with these huge rubber isolators when some other industrial motors are just straight bolted up to their mount. A friend use to swap the 4bt from bread truck to Jeeps years ago at a Jeep custom shop and they would shake terribly.
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Rudolf didn't include glow plugs in his engine design.
I wonder how he expected to warm the intake charge in cold temps then. Block heaters warm the bottom end and are for the fluids.
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I wonder how he expected to warm the intake charge in cold temps then. Block heaters warm the bottom end and are for the fluids.
Simple make a decompression lever like some old diesels had, I use to own a tractor with one. Pull the lever it would crank real fast for 10 seconds or so then push in the lever it would get it to fire up. The tractor was equipped with a intake heater or glow plugs but I never used it
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Thruthflly pick up truck diesels should be 4 cyl diesels like in some of the jap can forward trucks, just drop in the Isuzu, hino, mitsu fuso engines they are proven to work in these little cab over box trucks for many years.

The 4bt is a good engine problem with it is shakes too much I think they don’t have s counterbalancer in them. Cummins 4bt engines are always mounted in equipment with these huge rubber isolators when some other industrial motors are just straight bolted up to their mount. A friend use to swap the 4bt from bread truck to Jeeps years ago at a Jeep custom shop and they would shake terribly.
good point, the 4bt is a rough idling engine

the perkins 3 cylinder diesel used in many industrial applications is very smooth by comparison, I would love to have one with a turbo in a small car/truck.

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good point, the 4bt is a rough idling engine

the perkins 3 cylinder diesel used in many industrial applications is very smooth by comparison, I would love to have one with a turbo in a small car/truck.

Own 2 cat/perk 4cyl diesels they are ok but my favorite 3cyl is the Yanmar line easy starting even when cold out. Have 2 Kubotas too one 3cyl and a 4cyl the one only has a little over 100 hrs just bought it a few months ago
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Cummins engines are great but they shake to death everything that's powered by them. Company I used to work for have many brush chipper powered with cummins and they would self destruct because of the vibrations. I personally had a chipper with a 200 hp cummins that didn't shake very badly and was an excellent engine. I have a 2000 3500 4x4 dodge with a cummins ( 57k) I purchased new. It's been a good engine also, no oil consumption that I can tell. I ordered the thing with the nicest cab I could get at the time, no crew cab. I can't hardly hear the radio inside it's so dang loud. Got a kubota on a mini skidsteer but as was mentioned above I think my favorite is a yanmar I have in a John Deere skidsteer.
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You only have 57k on a truck you bought in 2000?
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Yep, it's only been used for work. I first was going to drive it like a pickup truck but it also has a small dump on it which makes it pretty heavy. I stopped doing that and only used it to tow or haul. Wife has begged me to sell it over the years but I know how hard it would be to replace.

I paid 26k (employee pricing, brother in law worked for freight liner) for it brand new, ordered the closest I could to what I wanted. The options weren't as great in 2000 as they are now. I'm pretty much the only person to have driven it, wife has a very small amount.

What would that truck cost me now? Dully cab chassis, cummins, 6 speed hi output, 4x4 fully loaded, single cab?
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Yep, it's only been used for work. I first was going to drive it like a pickup truck but it also has a small dump on it which makes it pretty heavy. I stopped doing that and only used it to tow or haul. Wife has begged me to sell it over the years but I know how hard it would be to replace.

I paid 26k (employee pricing, brother in law worked for freight liner) for it brand new, ordered the closest I could to what I wanted. The options weren't as great in 2000 as they are now. I'm pretty much the only person to have driven it, wife has a very small amount.

What would that truck cost me now? Dully cab chassis, cummins, 6 speed hi output, 4x4 fully loaded, single cab?
Around 60k+ My dad has a 2016 fully optioned 2500 Dodge with the cummins. I have an 03 3500 Dodge dually with the 24 valve cummins that was a December built one so it was the early common rail, and it has only 135k for miles. The original owner barely put anything on it and when he sold it to guy I bought it from it had 30k miles, but the guys friend borrowed it for a year and put 80k on it. The only thing I have done to it is put on a steering gear and checked valve lash.
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Oh I dont know, this one looks it has a shit ton of potential to me

That is one FUGLY truck.

We have an '18 Silverado (blech) loaner, temporarily as an idiot pulled out in front of my wife and her grill is getting replaced.

It is an unresponsive piece of shit with NO bottom end torque. Seriously, the lag between throttle imput and engine reaction is worse than our old Hyundai. It also feels flimsy and has the turning radius of a freight train. Fuck a GM vehicle. Especially their rev happy worthless trucks.
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I'll stick with my '93 F-150, than you.

-300 6 Cyl
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-Manual shift transfer case
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-No power windows
-No power door locks
-Bench seat
-Vinyl floor cover instead of carpet

Most of the new trucks I've looked at have more electronics in them than my home computer. Too much crap to go poof, and takes a technician to fix it properly. No thanks. I can fix mine with a $20 code reader and a basic socket set
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Yep, it's only been used for work. I first was going to drive it like a pickup truck but it also has a small dump on it which makes it pretty heavy. I stopped doing that and only used it to tow or haul. Wife has begged me to sell it over the years but I know how hard it would be to replace.

I paid 26k (employee pricing, brother in law worked for freight liner) for it brand new, ordered the closest I could to what I wanted. The options weren't as great in 2000 as they are now. I'm pretty much the only person to have driven it, wife has a very small amount.

What would that truck cost me now? Dully cab chassis, cummins, 6 speed hi output, 4x4 fully loaded, single cab?
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That is one FUGLY truck.

We have an '18 Silverado (blech) loaner, temporarily as an idiot pulled out in front of my wife and her grill is getting replaced.

It is an unresponsive piece of shit with NO bottom end torque. Seriously, the lag between throttle imput and engine reaction is worse than our old Hyundai. It also feels flimsy and has the turning radius of a freight train. Fuck a GM vehicle. Especially their rev happy worthless trucks.
Bet it had the 3.08 rear.

Still better than the 1st gen Titan's 2.94
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At least the Trailboss with the Z71 Off-Road Package comes with a locking rear differential, something my Tundra doesn't have. May have to pick one of these up for the wife.

Where does one get non-biased automotive reviews nowadays? seems like everyone pimps those who pay
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Honestly, internet forums are a good place to get information. Sure you have to understand the perspective and that many join for help with problems, but you can get a feel for the likes and dislikes of a majority of actual owners with actual experience.

That way you don't deal with magazines who get paid by manufacturers, or have a personal bias against the vehicle they're reviewing
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I checked the 2018's at the local dealer and they must have a hard time selling them,

Right now they have huge discounts.

I think the Colorado must eating into 1500 sales.
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Bet it had the 3.08 rear.

Still better than the 1st gen Titan's 2.94
Probably. I just don't care for it at all. From the ridiculous turning radius to the lack of feedback in the electric assist steerinng the pitiful approach angle, the lag in throttle imputs, the problematic cylinder shut down system and the fact it has to rev to the moon to get any power out of it.

Yes it's fast when empty, but put any kind of load on it and it struggles miserably to climb a hill without red lining itself and sucking fuel like a drunk. Long story short, It's everything I don't want in a truck. It runs like a car. All peak HP with no uasable torque.

Now for their 1/2 ton diesel? Not interested. It would still come wrapped in a Silverado.
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I checked the 2018's at the local dealer and they must have a hard time selling them,

Right now they have huge discounts.

I think the Colorado must eating into 1500 sales.
They've been losing a good amount of market share to Ram, who outsold them 3 months last year
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At least the Trailboss with the Z71 Off-Road Package comes with a locking rear differential, something my Tundra doesn't have. May have to pick one of these up for the wife.

Where does one get non-biased automotive reviews nowadays? seems like everyone pimps those who pay
I've installed quite a few lockers in Tundras.

The factory electronic lockers switch off the traction control and stability control when switched on.

I don't know the best solution for that in the Tundra but I have come up with a work arounds to disable the traction control full time.

With an air locker, the traction control can be switched off when the air locker is on.
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I'll stick with my '93 F-150, than you.

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-No A/C
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-Bench seat
-Vinyl floor cover instead of carpet

Most of the new trucks I've looked at have more electronics in them than my home computer. Too much crap to go poof, and takes a technician to fix it properly. No thanks. I can fix mine with a $20 code reader and a basic socket set
Hard to find one of those around here anymore, most of the trucks have rusted off from under the 300 6s here.
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I've installed quite a few lockers in Tundras.

The factory electronic lockers switch off the traction control and stability control when switched on.

I don't know the best solution for that in the Tundra but I have come up with a work arounds to disable the traction control full time.

With an air locker, the traction control can be switched off when the air locker is on.
You can also put your ABS on a relay to fully disable it when you want
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I checked the 2018's at the local dealer and they must have a hard time selling them,

Right now they have huge discounts.

I think the Colorado must eating into 1500 sales.
The outgoing year body style of any manufacturer ALWAYS tanks in sales.

2014 F150's that were the final steel body years also had huge discounts to move them.
C7 Corvette's sales are way down because GM just announced the Mid-engine C8.

However, the 2019 Chevy is god awful fugly and I can't imagine people NOT buying
teh 2018's to save for the 2019's. I thought 2014-2015 were ugly but the
2016-2018 were waaaaaay better looking, and the 2019 is a mutant Oriental face

I'm curious how the RAM 1500 sales are doing with the new remodel coming out as well.
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Recently bought a 2010 F250 king ranch 6.4. You guys are making me feel bad lol
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Old 04-16-2018, 09:26 PM   #69
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I'd much rather have one of these..
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I'd take one of these red neck limo's before the 2019 screaming china man.

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