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Old 02-14-2018, 02:19 PM   #36
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Durability is certainly part of the equation, but it's not everything. Same goes for appearances.

To me it comes down to function. Is there a brace whose function meets or exceeds that of a proper stock on a particular rifle? In many cases there is not.

For example, on an AKS-74U, rhere is no combination of braces and buffer tubes that will fold flat and latch, stow a cleaning kit, have the sling swivel in the correct location, have the correct length of pull, etc... on top of that they all look like fuck.
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No form needed. No trust needed. Brace setup cost me $200 total (tailhook, folding adapter, SB Tactical AK buffer tube adapter and buffer tube). If I ever sell it, No hassle.




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If you think that ^^^^ is even remotely comparable to this, you are delusional.









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Some super sexy AK's in here.

I personally feel like the braces look a whole lot better on ARs.

Can not bring myself to brace an AK.

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For those saying a "brace" CANT replace a stock in terms of durability, explain to me the difference between the Gear Head tailhook mod 2 and a polymer stock without storage like magpul CTR, B5 bravo, etc?
The Gearhead works stuff is absolutely the best for a brace's durability and why I am switching to them and SB only for braces. Otherwise, BEHOLD, the result of a KAK brace'd .300 blk 10.5" AR slipping off the back of a couch and landing 2 1/2ft(or 3 1/2 or something. Idk, I didn't bust out a ruler.) brace first. (Note was June 2016 so I don't have this in front of me anymore)

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Durability is certainly part of the equation, but it's not everything. Same goes for appearances.

To me it comes down to function. Is there a brace whose function meets or exceeds that of a proper stock on a particular rifle? In many cases there is not.

For example, on an AKS-74U, rhere is no combination of braces and buffer tubes that will fold flat and latch, stow a cleaning kit, have the sling swivel in the correct location, have the correct length of pull, etc... on top of that they all look like fuck.
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I wasnt under the impression this thread was specifically about folders, or correct stocks for storing cleaning kits, etc. Its obvious it is not based on OP talking about the KAK brace

So yea.........an AR or AK pistol with a non folding Magpul CTR is really NO different than an AR or AK pistol with a non folding tailhook 2........therefore, making an SBR with those kind of setups (AR style stocks) pretty close to irrelevant

Obviously if its a triangle folder your after, or something else appearance wise thats NOT an AR stock, it would be different for you
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It seems like a lot of BS and hoops to jump through, Setting up a trust, the hassle if you ever want to resell it. What happens if I die, who gets the SBR.

It seems that a pistol and a kak blade has made the SBR irrelevant.
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I wasnt under the impression this thread was specifically about folders, or correct stocks for storing cleaning kits, etc. Its obvious it is not based on OP talking about the KAK brace

So yea.........an AR or AK pistol with a non folding Magpul CTR is really NO different than an AR or AK pistol with a non folding tailhook 2........therefore, making an SBR with those kind of setups (AR style stocks) pretty close to irrelevant

Obviously if its a triangle folder your after, or something else appearance wise thats NOT an AR stock, it would be different for you
No. He made a blanket statwment that braces make SBRs irrelevant. Myself and many others have made the case tgat SBRs are still VERY relevant for a multitude of reasons.

What is obsolete, and needs done away with, is the NFA.
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What is obsolete, and needs done away with, is the NFA.
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If you think that ^^^^ is even remotely comparable to this, you are delusional.

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I see the usual shoveling of bullshit in progress.

A pistol arm brace is no substitute for a butt stock, and if you are purchasing one to bypass the NFA, you are committing a federal felony.

Intentionally shouldering an arm brace is a federal felony ( evading tax laws )



I honestly don't know why this keeps popping up. It is absolutely bullshit.

You fill out form 5320.20 using the following values:

• Item 3: From: Today's date To: Today's date - 364 days from now ( one year, get it? )

• Item 5: Reason for transportation: All lawful purposes

• Item 7: Transporting to: ( List all NFA-friendly states you may remotely intend to visit within the next year [ If you list states where NFA weps are illegal, you will be getting a rejected form and/or a visit ])

You can list all your NFA weapons on this form ( the gov already knows you have them, right? )

You do not have to wait for a reply from the batflyers when sending this form to them.

Make sure you mark your calendar for 11 months from "today's date" so you can submit your form 20 for the next year ( yes, the form is valid for up to 12 months )


Should you travel to a non-NFA state with your NFA item, your ass is grass, of course.
Tax evasion? Really? I didn’t realize the “T” in ATF stood for “tax”

The scales are trending towards irrelevant:

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Fellows, let's keep the admissions of felonious intent down a bit, 'kay?

To reiterate, pistol arm braces cannot be intentionally shouldered. Such constitutes a federal felony.

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Tax evasion? Really? I didn’t realize the “T” in ATF stood for “tax”

The scales are trending towards irrelevant:
While the "T" doesn't stand for "tax", the batflyers were formed as the "tax police" for the items in their acronym.
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If you think that ^^^^ is even remotely comparable to this, you are delusional.

https://i.imgur.com/HvSM7Mbh.jpg
The SBR is better, but not by much. And thats the point of the thread.

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The SBR is better, but not by much. And thats the point of the thread.
I guess it all comes down to ones preferences, ones opinions.

In my opinion, braces aren't even in the same league.
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Fellows, let's keep the admissions of felonious intent down a bit, 'kay?

To reiterate, pistol arm braces cannot be intentionally shouldered. Such constitutes a federal felony.

While the "T" doesn't stand for "tax", the batflyers were formed as the "tax police" for the items in their acronym.
I'm confused, please educate me.

https://www.sigsauer.com/press-relea...lizing-braces/

The following passage from the letter acknowledges the confusion surrounding the January 2015 “Open Letter on the Redesign of ‘Stabilizing Braces’”, and clarifies that ATF does not consider shouldering a PSB-equipped firearm, in and of itself, to render it an SBR.
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I guess it all comes down to ones preferences, ones opinions.

In my opinion, braces aren't even in the same league.
Like real titties and breast implants.
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Like real titties and breast implants.
No. At least in that example one is a facsimile of the other.

A brace more akin to stuffing your bra, you aren't fooling anyone.
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https://www.sigsauer.com/press-relea...lizing-braces/

The following passage from the letter acknowledges the confusion surrounding the January 2015 “Open Letter on the Redesign of ‘Stabilizing Braces’”, and clarifies that ATF does not consider shouldering a PSB-equipped firearm, in and of itself, to render it an SBR.
In the U.S. Code, it has a section on tax evasion.

If you buy & intend to use your arm braced pistol as a rifle, you are in violation of the tax codes ( a federal felony )

The batflyers "clarification" was about "accidental, incidental or occasional" shouldering - not "IMA SAVE $200 DOLLAHS EVERY DAY"


Not sure why you're linking to Sig-Sauer - we've discussed the everlovin' shit outta that "clarification" here.
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If you can call this irreverent... Well then
There's just something special about having things the way God intended them!
It may very well be irreverent, but it sure ain't irrelevant!

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No. At least in that example one is a facsimile of the other.

A brace more akin to stuffing your bra, you aren't fooling anyone.
Or camel toe underwear...
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Use a sling on your pistols, no brace, no intent to shoulder.

I’ve got an mp5 clone, I love the A3 stocks, when things settle down a bit, I’m getting rid of that sb tactical brace crap it came with (I bought the last one my LGS came with, it came from the manufacturer braced) getting it stamped and buying the first A3 style stock I can find.
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To put things into perspective, the National Firearms Act was imposed by the Federal Government, hand in hand with liberal / "Progressive" politics and policy -- imposed on the people of the United States as a response to the limited, but hysterically publicized gun violence that occurred due to gang wars over the black market for booze -- that was created as a result of another unpopular Federal overreach -- Prohibition -- the largest and greatest failure of mass social engineering in US history. Note that the NFA was adopted in 1934 AFTER Prohibition had been repealed, as if that makes any sense, which it doesn't. Also note that Prohibition created the black market that was instrumental in creating the Mafia and other organized criminal associations that had not existed previously, which after Prohibition turned their attention to supplying the public with drugs, prostitutes and other forbidden fruit that the government sought to "protect" us from -- not to mention corruption in government, labor unions, and other institutions that the tentacles of organized crime, with their newfound money and power, infiltrated after they'd made huge fortunes off the black market during Prohibition.

Prior to 1934, one could purchase or order a Thompson submachine gun or a BAR from his local hardware store, no questions asked. There were no mass shootings from SSRI crazed lunatics during that time (another "benefit" from the liberals after our lock down mental health institutions were gutted and shut down beginning in the 1960s). Not to mention that over the past 50+ years, libtards have been grossly overpopulating the violent criminal underclass by paying welfare baby mamas to breed multiple fatherless offspring for generations -- yet decry the fact that we have the largest prison populations in the Western world.

Of course, Prohibition would never have passed if women had not been given the right to vote: yet another example of the results of bird-brained feminization of our society. Another example of the (supposedly) unintended consequences of Prohibition (and Women's Suffrage) was the grand imposition of the Federal Income Tax to make up for revenues lost during Prohibition from Federal liquor taxes -- and the subsequent exponential growth of the Federal Government and the implementation of large scale liberal policy to erode individual Constitutional Rights in order to "improve" all of our lives.

So, as you can see, the Road to Hell, as usual, is paved with "good" intentions.

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It seems like a lot of BS and hoops to jump through, Setting up a trust, the hassle if you ever want to resell it. What happens if I die, who gets the SBR.

It seems that a pistol and a kak blade has made the SBR irrelevant.
From my perspective....yes

Too many hoops to jump thru , and the Pistol is legal without the hoops
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No form needed. No trust needed. Brace setup cost me $200 total (tailhook, folding adapter, SB Tactical AK buffer tube adapter and buffer tube). If I ever sell it, No hassle.



Agreed.

Way nicer and simpler. Not a big brace guy myself, but they work
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Well, SBRs are great, but pistols with braces are too. I like both and both have advantages over the other. Crossing state lines without applying for permission is a very strong selling point for someone who might move around a bit shooting or for work. Saving $200 bucks and being able to sell the thing anytime you want are nice perks too.
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Well, SBRs are great, but pistols with braces are too. I like both and both have advantages over the other. Crossing state lines without applying for permission is a very strong selling point for someone who might move around a bit shooting or for work. Saving $200 bucks and being able to sell the thing anytime you want are nice perks too.
That's not an excuse, and hasn't been for decades . .

P.S. The form 20 isn't "applying for permission" = it's a "notification of travel" ( you don't need to wait for a response from the gub )

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As much as I applaud and use some of the Brace options, there is no way in heck they replace a true stocked SBR. Especially for folks w longer arms or taller etc.

That super short LOP on the Braces (by design pursuant to ATF guidance) sucks to shoulder and is supposed to suck.

I am looking forward to getting some SBR, SBS, and Suppressor action going up in here soon.
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Agreed.

Way nicer and simpler. Not a big brace guy myself, but they work
Train with what you have for CQB and you are fine.
That's a great looking rig Aces who made the brace adapter CNC Warrior?
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"There were no mass shootings from SSRI crazed lunatics during that time..."

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Opinions on comparable can say yes, but in the looks catagory not even close as a setup like yours is on a whole different level. I will have one of these one day, badass in every way.
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To put things into perspective, the National Firearms Act was imposed by the Federal Government, hand in hand with liberal / "Progressive" politics and policy -- imposed on the people of the United States as a response to the limited, but hysterically publicized gun violence that occurred due to gang wars over the black market for booze -- that was created as a result of another unpopular Federal overreach -- Prohibition -- the largest and greatest failure of mass social engineering in US history. Note that the NFA was adopted in 1934 AFTER Prohibition had been repealed, as if that makes any sense, which it doesn't. Also note that Prohibition created the black market that was instrumental in creating the Mafia and other organized criminal associations that had not existed previously, which after Prohibition turned their attention to supplying the public with drugs, prostitutes and other forbidden fruit that the government sought to "protect" us from -- not to mention corruption in government, labor unions, and other institutions that the tentacles of organized crime, with their newfound money and power, infiltrated after they'd made huge fortunes off the black market during Prohibition.

Prior to 1934, one could purchase or order a Thompson submachine gun or a BAR from his local hardware store, no questions asked. There were no mass shootings from SSRI crazed lunatics during that time (another "benefit" from the liberals after our lock down mental health institutions were gutted and shut down beginning in the 1960s). Not to mention that over the past 50+ years, libtards have been grossly overpopulating the violent criminal underclass by paying welfare baby mamas to breed multiple fatherless offspring for generations -- yet decry the fact that we have the largest prison populations in the Western world.

Of course, Prohibition would never have passed if women had not been given the right to vote: yet another example of the results of bird-brained feminization of our society. Another example of the (supposedly) unintended consequences of Prohibition (and Women's Suffrage) was the grand imposition of the Federal Income Tax to make up for revenues lost during Prohibition from Federal liquor taxes -- and the subsequent exponential growth of the Federal Government and the implementation of large scale liberal policy to erode individual Constitutional Rights in order to "improve" all of our lives.

So, as you can see, the Road to Hell, as usual, is paved with "good" intentions.

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No form needed. No trust needed. Brace setup cost me $200 total (tailhook, folding adapter, SB Tactical AK buffer tube adapter and buffer tube). If I ever sell it, No hassle.



This is nice. Not worth the mumbo jumbo with SBRs.

This is my 2nd krink and I think i'll go modern with this one when the SBA3 5 position adjustable brace come out in March that use standard ar buffer tubes. I think I'll also add zenitco accessories which I never thought I'd be interested in but they look good on krinks.

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