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Old 02-14-2018, 05:58 PM   #1
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Default 300 more rounds through the PSA Triangle Folder. Issues.....

Well, if anyone was following the PSA thread on here I said I'd run 300rnds through it before I contacted PSA.

It was a nice day today(almost 50) so I grabbed a couple ARs, miscellaneous rifles and the PSA.

I was shooting the PSA off and on. My main objective was sighting in my rifles. I got done with the 5th magazine and went to fold the stock and bump a 30rnd mag When I discovered the stock was broken. Yes, apparently my shoulder was so strong the weld completely broke on one side and split halfway on the other. Along with two of the spot welds broken on the bottom and the 2 spot welds are broken on top as well. I stood there looking at it in disbelief. I have never seen a stock break like that just from shoulder firing. I have even mortared ar15s with polymer stocks not breaking them. I was forced to fire the remaining rounds like a towel head.

Well I went home and inspected the internals. The bolt still looks pretty much the same. Bolt carrier tail is still mushrooming from the hammer. But, it appears I have a tiny chip in the trunnion now. It's definitely a nail catcher and doesn't appear to have been there in my photo from before.

Before the other 300rnds.
https://m.imgur.com/a/5ms1e

After plus broken stock.
https://imgur.com/a/uQfh0

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Old 02-14-2018, 06:33 PM   #2
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Old 02-14-2018, 06:40 PM   #3
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Jesus America really sucks at making AK's
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Old 02-14-2018, 06:57 PM   #4
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Embarrassing. The weld wasn't even where it needed to be. Who does the quality control? Was this a blemish bargain bin gun?
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Old 02-14-2018, 07:04 PM   #5
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Was this a blemish bargain bin gun?
They are all "Blems" it was $630 so I wouldn't really call it a bargain.
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Old 02-14-2018, 07:32 PM   #6
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DDI folding stock did the same thing...
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Old 02-14-2018, 08:01 PM   #7
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Jesus America really sucks at making AK's
Yep...they need to just stop, its just not working out.
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:16 PM   #8
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Are these folding stocks for Airsoft..?

FWIW, I have slightly over 2000rds through my AMD65 kit build with its AK Builder Side-folder and Zero Issues on this stock.


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Old 02-14-2018, 09:59 PM   #9
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I just sent you a PM for resolution.

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Old 02-14-2018, 10:10 PM   #10
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I love PSA, but that trunnion looks eerily similar to all the C39V2’s that have issues with the right locking lug. I will never buy an American AK.
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Stop enabling these companies by supporting them and giving them business, they have no intentions of fixing their product.



They will swap in another $12 trunnion they bought wholesale from the cheapest Korean/U.S contractor they could find and call it a day.
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Old 02-14-2018, 10:25 PM   #12
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They will swap in another $12 trunnion they bought wholesale from the cheapest Korean/U.S contractor they could find and call it a day.
I'm kind of afraid of the "repair" work when I send it back. In all honesty I'd rather have my money back.
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I'm kind of afraid of the "repair" work when I send it back. In all honesty I'd rather have my money back.
that would be the way to go, request your money back and if they refuse dispute the charge with your credit card for defective merchandise. (if you payed with a credit card).
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Old 02-14-2018, 10:39 PM   #14
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More POS 47 mystery metallurgy. Crumble like Oreo cookie
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I'm kind of afraid of the "repair" work when I send it back. In all honesty I'd rather have my money back.
...make a YouTube video about it and you will get your money back.
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...make a YouTube video about it, post it on their Facebook and you will get your money back.
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Sounds like you have a junk rifle to me.
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Old 02-14-2018, 11:30 PM   #18
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Looks like a first grader put that thing together.
That's not Ak!
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Old 02-15-2018, 01:14 AM   #19
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It's just going to do it again.

I take it that this is a "billet" trunnion?
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Old 02-15-2018, 01:21 AM   #20
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...make a YouTube video about it and you will get your money back.
Lol that's great.
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Old 02-15-2018, 01:52 AM   #21
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Stock looks like an easy fix if you can weld...

The trunnion looks iffy...

Maybe rework the hammer a little and save the tail on the carrier? It put in a different FCG.

It seems salvageable but I’d watch that trunnion for more wear. I know some guys freak... but sometimes things just wear in a little like that and stop. Look at cam pin drag in AR15’s... it gets to a certain point after a couple hundred rounds and it stays there for thousands to come.
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Old 02-15-2018, 09:34 AM   #22
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airsoft parts. im convinced all the "american made" parts are actually made in china and just stamped US here. especially a stock like that. i want a US manufacture to do a complete video showing the manufacturing process of all the AK components. you know what? none of them will.
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All of the parts on our AK's are manufactured in the US, not just stamped here.

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I just sent you a PM for resolution.

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We have contancted @logan09, and sent him a UPS call tag to send it back for repairs. We have an Unlimited Lifetime Warranty on all of our firearms. We stand behind our firearms 100%.

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All of the parts on our AK's are manufactured in the US, not just stamped here.

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post a video of an employee actually fabricating the stock. from US sourced steel and components...
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post a video of an employee actually fabricating the stock. from US sourced steel and components...
I've made videos like your asking for and people insisted that we just dubed over the Chinese workers.

I took mine back down because I figured I'm probably violating some obscure osha rule.. Which is why few US manufacturers are going to post videos.

The broken spot welds look like a shunting issue.. Best way to solve shunting is to use a larger spot welder if using a 20kva go to a 50kva. And possibly doing all the welds on one side in a single hit.

The bead of weld looks like a grounding issue. The ground needs to be on the inner part to draw the weld onto the part otherwise the bead won't stick.. Also the inner part is cast or billet and may need to be preheated and post heated to prevent cracking.

Often times the issues like the above are the result of minor details of manufacturing.
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To answer a few questions. Yes, it's supposed to be All billet.

As far as them "making" everything I have my doubts. For instance, the stock appears to be Phosphated. Every other piece on the rifle seems to be a(what I would call) Paint.
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I'm not shilling for PSA, but it appears that they are being responsive with their customer service and trying to make things right with their warranty work. I don't own any American AKs, myself, so I don't have a personal dog in this fight. With that being said, maybe the nature of the repairs that PSA does with their warranty work will inform their engineers as to how to make design tweaks that will keep the rifles from having to come back for repairs in the first place.

I, for one, would like to see them succeed at that. Maybe they'll be the ones to bring a truly durable US-made AK to the market, and we won't end up being entirely beholden to an inconsistent import supply.

In the interim, we can at least be polite to them when they take the time and effort to fix things for their customers.
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I'm not shilling for PSA, but it appears that they are being responsive with their customer service and trying to make things right with their warranty work. I don't own any American AKs, myself, so I don't have a personal dog in this fight. With that being said, maybe the nature of the repairs that PSA does with their warranty work will inform their engineers as to how to make design tweaks that will keep the rifles from having to come back for repairs in the first place.

I, for one, would like to see them succeed at that. Maybe they'll be the ones to bring a truly durable US-made AK to the market, and we won't end up being entirely beholden to an inconsistent import supply.

In the interim, we can at least be polite to them when they take the time and effort to fix things for their customers.
I agree completely. They're owning up to their shortcomings and remedying them. There's always going to be teething with a new product, and hopefully getting rifles back with clear and concise issues will help them avoid them in the future by finding the issues in manufacturing.
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I sent it back to PSA today. I'll update when I hear back from them.

Josiah(PSA) has been fast to respond to me and so far their customer service has been top notch. I just wish I didn't have to deal with this.
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I hope that this works out for you. It would be great to see their product become the decent alternative when the imports go through their scarce phases.
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