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Old 03-13-2018, 01:52 PM   #141
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We never had a rockets explode or shuttle or two fall apart?

As to Chernobyl, it had nothing to do with inferior technology and everything to do with stupid individuals disabling all the back up safeties.
Knowing the event itself or the actual cause is what makes an intelligent conversation.
It's more than one rocket exploding. Back in the 1960's we had a race with the CCCP to the Moon. The N1 Rocket was the Russian equivalent to the U.S Saturn 5, it was a spectacular failure. Because of that the Russians gave up never made it to the moon and most likely never will in the foreseeable future.

Any reactor design that lets stupid technicians disable backup safeties is a stupid design. In the U.S. we would never build such a stupid design without a proper containment vessel.

https://www.nei.org/resources/fact-s...s-consequences

The truth.

The historical truth is Russia and Russian people have a very large inferiority complex and have had to overcompensate for this feeling by building the worlds largest Aircraft/ Ship/ Tank / Gun/ Missile/ Reactor/ Submarine/ Whatever.

When it comes to technology the Russians will always be playing catchup with the West, what they can't develop on their own they will steel.
Just like they have done for the last 300 years. Every important scientific development over the last 150 years came from the West not Russia.
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It's more than one rocket exploding. Back in the 1960's we had a race with the CCCP to the Moon. The N1 Rocket was the Russian equivalent to the U.S Saturn 5, it was a spectacular failure. Because of that the Russians gave up never made it to the moon and most likely never will in the foreseeable future.
Watch the video on Soviet rockets posted earlier in the thread.
Soviets had the most efficient and reliable rockets, even we bought and used them and paid Russians to shuttle us into space when our Shuttle was canned.



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Any reactor design that lets stupid technicians disable backup safeties is a stupid design. In the U.S. we would never build such a stupid design without a proper containment vessel.

https://www.nei.org/resources/fact-s...s-consequences
Nonetheless, human error was the cause, not the reactor isellf.
Are you aware that the other 3 reactors ran just fine afterwards and were operational till the the last one was shut down (decommissioned) in 2000?
When you don't do unacceptable-unsafe experiments it worked as it was designed to.


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The truth.

The historical truth is Russia and Russian people have a very large inferiority complex and have had to overcompensate for this feeling by building the worlds largest Aircraft/ Ship/ Tank / Gun/ Missile/ Reactor/ Submarine/ Whatever.

When it comes to technology the Russians will always be playing catchup with the west, what they can't develop on their own they will steel.
Just like they have done for the last 300 years.
The truth is, your opinion on the matter is idiotic at best.
Russia always had large number of scientist and inventions. It was Russians who came up with Periodic Time table, a platform for industrial and scientific filed.
As to building the largest, why is that we rent/pay them to use their Mi-26 to transport stuff? For the same reason they build it. It has everything to do with efficiency and need and nothing with "inferiority complex", only an idiot would claim a highly successful aircraft was build out of ego. Same goes for An-124. 225 etc.
Do you know where our best and most expensive fighter got it's VTOL idea from? Yes, Russians didn't play catch up when they developed that design in Yak-141. Or having turbine in a Tank prior to us, or underwater rocket (Skval), best SAM's in the world, trust vectoring AA missile that took us 12 years to field after them, man-portable fuel air launchers that took us over 20 years to field after they perfected it in number of different delivery systems inducing miniatures or even largest fuel-air bomb (yes ours is bigger then theirs but 3 to 4 times less powerful)......How's that for playing catch up?

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Nothing extraordinary or special about it.....
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Watch the video on Soviet rockets posted earlier in the thread.
Soviets had the most efficient and reliable rockets, even we bought and used them and paid Russians to shuttle us into space when our Shuttle was canned.





Nonetheless, human error was the cause, not the reactor isellf.
Are you aware that the other 3 reactors ran just fine afterwards and were operational till the the last one was shut down (decommissioned) in 2000?
When you don't do unacceptable-unsafe experiments it worked as it was designed to.




The truth is, your opinion on the matter is idiotic at best.
Russia always had large number of scientist and inventions. It was Russians who came up with Periodic Time table, a platform for industrial and scientific filed.
As to building the largest, why is that we rent/pay them to use their Mi-26 to transport stuff? For the same reason they build it. It has everything to do with efficiency and need and nothing with "inferiority complex", only an idiot would claim a highly successful aircraft was build out of ego. Same goes for An-124. 225 etc.
Do you know where our best and most expensive fighter got it's VTOL idea from? Yes, Russians didn't play catch up when they developed that design in Yak-141. Or having turbine in a Tank prior to us, or underwater rocket (Skval), best SAM's in the world, trust vectoring AA missile that took us 12 years to field after them, man-portable fuel air launchers that took us over 20 years to field after they perfected it in number of different delivery systems inducing miniatures or even largest fuel-air bomb (yes ours is bigger then theirs but 3 to 4 times less powerful)......How's that for playing catch up?
I actually have respect for the Russian people but this Myth you continually push about Russian superiority is ridiculous. They seem to sway from one despotic form of Government to another, shame really. Just seems the Russians can never get their act together.
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I actually have respect for the Russian people but this Myth you continually push about Russian superiority is ridicules. They seem to sway from one despotic form of Government to another, shame really. Just seems the Russians can never get their act together.
Like out going presidents using the intelligence agencies to spy on the incoming president of a opposing party using a court that has 98 percent approval rating knowingly using intel from a foreign government paid for by the losing party...just saying a lot of baby boomers and solely Fox news watchers on here obviously do not read or follow current events or even history from around the world on a daily bases.

Its like the crimea argument when we invaded Iraq on a lie and disrupted the ME for the next 1000 years but the russians need to be brought to trial over crimea
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I actually have respect for the Russian people but this Myth you continually push about Russian superiority is ridiculous. They seem to sway from one despotic form of Government to another, shame really. Just seems the Russians can never get their act together.
I never claimed that superiority........ My original point is, it's hard for people to give credit when its due since it's not their country's achievement or first.
A shame really. Just take a look at this thread from the beginning and see how much speculations and dislike there is.
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Watch the video on Soviet rockets posted earlier in the thread.
Soviets had the most efficient and reliable rockets, even we bought and used them and paid Russians to shuttle us into space when our Shuttle was canned.





Nonetheless, human error was the cause, not the reactor isellf.
Are you aware that the other 3 reactors ran just fine afterwards and were operational till the the last one was shut down (decommissioned) in 2000?
When you don't do unacceptable-unsafe experiments it worked as it was designed to.




The truth is, your opinion on the matter is idiotic at best.
Russia always had large number of scientist and inventions. It was Russians who came up with Periodic Time table, a platform for industrial and scientific filed.
As to building the largest, why is that we rent/pay them to use their Mi-26 to transport stuff? For the same reason they build it. It has everything to do with efficiency and need and nothing with "inferiority complex", only an idiot would claim a highly successful aircraft was build out of ego. Same goes for An-124. 225 etc.
Do you know where our best and most expensive fighter got it's VTOL idea from? Yes, Russians didn't play catch up when they developed that design in Yak-141. Or having turbine in a Tank prior to us, or underwater rocket (Skval), best SAM's in the world, trust vectoring AA missile that took us 12 years to field after them, man-portable fuel air launchers that took us over 20 years to field after they perfected it in number of different delivery systems inducing miniatures or even largest fuel-air bomb (yes ours is bigger then theirs but 3 to 4 times less powerful)......How's that for playing catch up?
All you do is cheerlead for the communists bro.

Photo opportunities and paperwork is all the russians are good at. Ive seen those idiots operate in real life, them and their equipment is inferior. And no I don't give a shit about a tank or your opinion. You are the resident Russia is better guy in every thread. Kiss my American ass.

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There you go, my point is proven. A product of our superior education system with a hint of MSM cool aid.
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There you go, my point is proven. A product of our superior education system with a hint of MSM cool aid.
LOL "Ive seen those idiots operate in real life, them and their equipment is inferior"

And where in the wide world of sports would you have seen them with them own two eyes "operate"? Bosnia during a peace keeping operation?
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LOL "Ive seen those idiots operate in real life, them and their equipment is inferior"

And where in the wide world of sports would you have seen them with them own two eyes "operate"? Bosnia during a peace keeping operation?
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Here's one in Middle East, operating "them" inferior technology.
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Here's one in Middle East, operating "them" inferior technology.
You lack comprehension. I said inferior to reference compared to we the United States, I did not say to what degree. As far as the world goes they are doing ok for themselves. As far as being up to speed with us yes they are inferior. They have real means to project conventional power like we can, not even close. Truth be told a lot of the Russians stuff isn't serviceable, the old stuff is barely going, and they don't have enough new stuff to compete. War far exceeds ground work.

Enjoy your day I'm going to push some metal plates and beat my dick. The Russian tea party will have to continue without me.
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Like out going presidents using the intelligence agencies to spy on the incoming president of a opposing party using a court that has 98 percent approval rating knowingly using intel from a foreign government paid for by the losing party...just saying a lot of baby boomers and solely Fox news watchers on here obviously do not read or follow current events or even history from around the world on a daily bases.

Its like the crimea argument when we invaded Iraq on a lie and disrupted the ME for the next 1000 years but the russians need to be brought to trial over crimea
I never stated the USA is perfect far from it. But I would rather be here in the good old USA than Russia any day. Now that we have Trump it's getting better all the time.
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You lack comprehension. I said inferior to reference compared to we the United States, I did not say to what degree. As far as the world goes they are doing ok for themselves. As far as being up to speed with us yes they are inferior. They have real means to project conventional power like we can, not even close. Truth be told a lot of the Russians stuff isn't serviceable, the old stuff is barely going, and they don't have enough new stuff to compete. War far exceeds ground work.

Enjoy your day I'm going to push some metal plates and beat my dick. The Russian tea party will continue without me.
Utter and complete nonsense.
Since 2005, they have put 3 different attack helicopters in production. 6 New armored vehicle (including new tank) in mass production. New 5'th gen fighter, Developed and build new rockets including new nuclear powered version. Fielded 3 top of the line SAM systems, Developed new hyper sonic ship missile , Building and fielding new subs, etc etc......and all that with almost no national debt (compared to us).

Wake up, this is not 1994.http://www.russiadefence.net/t2824-e...ment-in-russia
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Utter and complete nonsense.
Since 2005, they have put 3 different attack helicopters in production. 6 New armored vehicle (including new tank) in mass production.
If they keep things going at that rate, they might get it right yet.
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Ever noticed how some of these pro Russia guys are desperately trying to keep the Obama era anti American rhetoric alive?

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"Just like they have done for the last 300 years. Every important scientific development over the last 150 years came from the West not Russia."

Utter uneducated moron. Go take a physics or math class & you'll find out about Russian brilliance.

"Ever noticed how some of these pro Russia guys are desperately trying to keep the Obama era anti American rhetoric alive?"

Not a god damn thing to do with Obongo. Just appalled at the ignorance of the red neck right wingers.
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"Just like they have done for the last 300 years. Every important scientific development over the last 150 years came from the West not Russia."

Utter uneducated moron. Go take a physics or math class & you'll find out about Russian brilliance.

"Ever noticed how some of the
se pro Russia guys are desperately trying to keep the Obama era anti American rhetoric alive?"

Not a god damn thing to do with Obongo. Just appalled at the ignorance of the red neck right wingers.
Yes they were so advanced with physics & math they had to steel the plans for the Atom Bomb. Why did the Russians have one of the largest most effective spy networks ever? A. Because they never had the means or brains to keep up with the West.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it Moron.
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Yes they were so advanced with physics & math they had to steel the plans for the Atom Bomb. Why did the Russians have one of the largest most effective spy networks ever? A. Because they never had the means or brains to keep up with the West.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it Moron.
And we didn't?

U2 and SR-71 were design to monitor and study weather.
CIA only spied on Russian spy's in the U.S

German nationalists/scientist helped us build the A-bomb.
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And we didn't?

U2 and SR-71 were design to monitor and study weather.
CIA only spied on Russian spy's in the U.S
You can't be serious, it is well known they were spy planes, there is no reason to have a mach 3 aircraft that was untouchable by any defenses to study a thunderstorm. This is on the same argument that 1 flight is more successful than 135 operational ones. You have no legitimacy at this point.
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You can't be serious, it is well known they were spy planes, there is no reason to have a mach 3 aircraft that was untouchable by any defenses to study a thunderstorm. This is on the same argument that 1 flight is more successful than 135 operational ones. You have no legitimacy at this point.
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Yes, I think you might take another shot at it. We made the Soviets our wet whore with those planes, we never had a Soviet overflight.
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Yes, I think you might take another shot at it. We made the Soviets our wet whore with those planes, we never had a Soviet overflight.
Because they knew we had a lot of them and did't bother.

They made Garry Powers a public display whore and SR-71 were to scared to fly directly over their airspace, all of their mission were skimming the borders (international air space) with angled cameras.
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Because they knew we had a lot of them and did't bother.

They made Garry Powers a public display whore and SR-71 were to scared to fly directly over their airspace, all of their mission were skimming the borders (international air space) with angled cameras.
Nice try, you have nothing and we flew where we pleased. You have no argument here except Soviet Russia great, dude we owned it. You absolutely had no defense against the blackbird and it went right through the center, not your propaganda. Dude we put our aircraft over your territory, you couldn't.
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Nice try, you have nothing and we flew where we pleased. You have no argument here except Soviet Russia great, dude we owned it. You absolutely had no defense against the blackbird and it went right through the center, not your propaganda. Dude we put our aircraft over your territory, you couldn't.
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And we didn't?

U2 and SR-71 were design to monitor and study weather.
CIA only spied on Russian spy's in the U.S

German nationalists/scientist helped us build the A-bomb.

Case in point, Soviet TU4 Bomber. Suppose you tell us all about the development process of this so called Russian designed Tupolev Bomber of 1946.

This was the Great Russian post War Bomber that influenced all Russian bombers of the Cold War period.



Oh look it looks just like the American B29 Bomber that was developed in 1942 by the Americans, what a coincidence. LOL



God knows all of the Brilliant Russian math & science that went into the Clone/Copy process. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.......HAHA......................... ..LOL

Whenever the Russians need something they can't domestically develop they STEEL IT! and it still goes on today just like it did in 1945.
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Case in point, Soviet TU4 Bomber. Suppose you tell us all about the development process of this so called Russian designed Tupolev Bomber of 1946.

This was the Great Russian post War Bomber that influenced all Russian bombers of the Cold War period.



Oh look it looks just like the American B29 Bomber that was developed in 1942 by the Americans, what a coincidence. LOL

They went as far as replicated the bullet hole patches, lol
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Case in point, Soviet TU4 Bomber. Suppose you tell us all about the development process of this so called Russian designed Tupolev Bomber of 1946.

This was the Great Russian post War Bomber that influenced all Russian bombers of the Cold War period.



Oh look it looks just like the American B29 Bomber that was developed in 1942 by the Americans, what a coincidence. LOL

Yes, it is well documented that Soviets copied B-29, but they didn't have to spy to get it, it literally fell in their lap.
A good aircraft is a good aircraft, I'm not going to deny that. We made many great aircraft in our aviation's history.
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Don't try, we enjoyed freedom of operation over your country. The Soviets never did, just don't embarrass yourself.
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Old 03-13-2018, 11:59 PM   #172
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So, maybe..........one time. So back to soviets operating over US airspace. Oh nothing? Well they must be superior because they saw US spy planes operating over their airspace freely. No Blackbird was stopped or shot down, that is fact. No Soviet aircraft overflew the USA without permission
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So, maybe..........one time. So back to soviets operating over US airspace. Oh nothing? Well they must be superior because they saw US spy planes operating over their airspace freely. No Blackbird was stopped or shot down, that is fact. No Soviet aircraft overflew the USA without permission
Again, when Mig-31 became operational so was beginning of the end of SR-71 "freedoms".

Soviets had no need or desire to fly over U.S, they never even attempted to build such aircraft, it was never even contemplated. They always saw those types of operations as embarrassment......It's like openly looking at your neighbors wife by the pool from your second story house and have no shame in it when you are caught looking by her husband.

This thread turn was made by him stating how Soviets had the largest spy network but fails to see that it was us who flew spy planes and not them. Our CIA was just if not more involved in spying then the Soviets did.
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Again, when Mig-31 became operational so was beginning of the end of SR-71 "freedoms".

Soviets had no need or desire to fly over U.S, they never even attempted to build such aircraft, it was never even contemplated. They always saw those types of operations as embarrassment......It's like openly looking at your neighbors wife by the pool from your second story house and have no shame in it when you are caught looking by her husband.

This thread turn was made by him stating how Soviets had the largest spy network but fails to see that it was us who flew spy planes and not them. Our CIA was just if not more involved in spying then the Soviets did.
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Lol, our women don’t who’re themselves out as mail orders
You mean a popular scam that was meant to lure losers, take them to the cleaners and disappear. LOL, good one. Criminals/scams come in many forms.

And Russian man wouldn't put up with our feminist entitled modern women anyway, if it was the other way around.
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