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Old 03-12-2018, 04:34 PM   #1
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Default Build a 223 Wylde upper

What would you purchase as a unit, or what parts would you assemble.
Debated a PSA 18" 4150 upper all weekend for $369 with BcG and CH.

However I prefer a Toolcraft nitride or NiB BCG, but its the barrel I cant decide on.....
18"+ preferred. It wont be for shooting competitions, but good MOA expectations.

Not sure what I wanna do....already have a few adjustable gas blocks and Mlok handguard
All I really need is the gas tube and barrel, and upper itself ....which will be Anderson probably
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I'd look for a 416 stainless barrel myself as I assume this isn't going to be a run and gun rifle. Faxon and Ballistic Advantage make really nice barrels for the money. If you are looking to spend under $300 I think those two are the best bang for the buck in terms of barrels.

Proof Research and Krieger barrels are also very nice if you want to increase the amount you spend on your barrel.

Get a nice $99 LaRue MBT-2S trigger too.
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Aceshigh - I have viewed that PSA offering off and on for several weeks. I have been acquiring various BCG from other vendors, and saw a fully chromed Daniel Defence BCG at a Supply House (Monmouth Reloading) for $185.00. Putting a first class BCG - either a Daniel Defence or a BCM BCG would be a plus I would think, to have in that offering, and take the provided one out to utilize as an extra. If I get that offering from PSA in the near future - and good chance I will then that is the direction I am going in. Of course I am not a expert on AR rifles - just a Novice still. I do however have obtained extra high quality BCG and seven lowers and two complete rifles from PSA and AR Pistol and an Armalite Eagle with wylde chamder and heavy barrel - any of which I can switch out the BCG in.
So I would go with the PSA.
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I got the psa 18" stainless barrel with m lok handguard. I don't remember if I got the bcg separate or upgraded to the NIB one but so far I'm liking it. Quite accurate, pinging 6" plates out of a dueling tree at 100 yds no problem. Then again, I'm using 4X sight.
After using NIB bcg, it's hard to come back using the nitride or military grade/ style coating.
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I got a 18" SS PSA wylde a few years ago. Didnt come with bcg so i put in a toolcraft nib. Shoots well.
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I'd go with a Faxon 18in 1x8 barrel gunner profile, super relative arms adjustable gas block, MI Mlok 15in free float rail, BCM extended charging handle, PWS mod 1 FSC556 compensator, and a FailZero BCG. That is just me though.
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After using NIB bcg, it's hard to come back using the nitride or military grade/ style coating.
What makes NIB so good? I've only used the nitride and won't go back to reg mil spec.
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Anyone tried the AR Stoner barrels Midway sells???

Seen a lot of good feedback on YouTube and they are being cleared out
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I got a 18" SS PSA wylde a few years ago. Didnt come with bcg so i put in a toolcraft nib. Shoots well.
I am itching to just get the upper with their FA bcg, and 416r and keep CH &BCG as a backup.

Put the nib tool craft in it.......just not sure about PSA barrel accuracy vs competitors

The 16" I have hasn't been MOA shooting yet for results, just chk'd for good function.which is perfect..
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For the price range, Green Mountain is also an option. Their 223 wylde 416r, GM-M18 and GM-M20, have positive reviews.

I had good experience with the M20 for the build.
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I totally forgot about Green Mountain. I know they did AK barrels for DDI.

That was the first I heard of them, but they looked accurate.
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There are plenty of quality .223 Wylde barrels available in the AR market. Just decide what your price range is, what you want it made from (416-R stainless, 4150...etc.) and what kind of treatment you want done to the barrel.

The fact that you are looking for a .223 Wylde barrel + "but good MOA expectations" tells me you are looking for accuracy and mostly shooting from a bench. Just spend the little extra and get a 416-R stainless barrel and be done with it. They aren't cost prohibitive at all.
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I'm lining my thoughts on the limitations of 416R with say steel core ammunition wearing it down much faster
Maybe I'm getting over-analysis paralysis. I look for "better MOA" but not super sniper expectations.

I'm just debating, should I go 4150 and the tighter 223 Wylde chamber will balance the equation out for me for better longevity.
I'm thinking long term here, but in truth, I doubt I'll ever shoot out a single 416R barrel. LOL

Too many toys in the hobby to contend with for that to EVER happen.
Probably going to end up with another 416R ......

I don't have any 4150 CMV nitrided barrels in 223......hence why I'm debating it.
I have a few in 7.62x39 tho in AR builds.
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My thinking is if you want accuracy and are thinking .223 Wydle, then you might as go for accuracy and get a 416-R barrel and optimize things.

If you are thinking longevity and barrel life, just get a FN CHF CL 5.56 barrel for $200 and have something that will last +20,000 rounds.

For the steel core ammo, are you talking about M855? If you are going to be shooting a lot of steel care ammo, I would personally just go with a FN CHF CL barrel.
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I've had good luck with anything Faxon, and have 4 of their barrels 2 in 223/556,and 2 in 762x39. When I do a Wylde 223 it will be a Faxon.
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I've had good luck with anything Faxon, and have 4 of their barrels 2 in 223/556,and 2 in 762x39. When I do a Wylde 223 it will be a Faxon.
I'd agree. Faxon is probably my favorite barrel manufacturer right now for the money (I know there are others that are "better" in terms of accuracy but they cost significantly more). Got three Faxon barrels. They are fantastic. I'll probably add one of their 6.5 Creedmoor barrels eventually.
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Think I'm going to wait and see what prices drop to for the St Patty's weekend.

Usually any Holiday you see special prices

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I grabbed one of the $250 complete uppers from PSA a while back.
18" barrel 1/7 twist, threw in one of the NIB bolt carriers as well for under $100 shipped.
http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-1...516444560.html

Lower is just an Anderson with a 2 stage trigger from RRA.
It currently has a 1-6 vortex on it as well.

Not gonna lie, it's the most impressive sub $700 rifle I have ever shot/used/owned.

It's under 8lbs and shoots extremely soft. I cannot believe the recoil impulse with the rifle length gas block.

All said and done, with some crazy simple handloads and off the shelf brass cased Wolf, I have been shooting sub MOA out to 400 yards.


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THANK YOU !!!! For the feedback
This is what I'm after, and yes I'm going to wait for St Patty's Day sale and hopefully grab a deal.

I'm a FIRM believer in just using a reputable Mil-Spec lower & upper
and putting the $$$ into the barrel, BCG, and optics, & Triggers are good for precision shooters also.

Now that I know the PSA barrels are capable of shooting sub-MOA I'll be looking for it
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I have a PSA 18" with a .223 Wylde chamber, and so does my buddy. Both guns hate steel case ammo, in case that matters to you. Maybe they don't all hate it, but my experience is two for two.
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No issues on my end.
I have ran about 300 or so rounds of the barnaul 55gr FMJ through it from SG. Pretty accurate stuff as well.
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My thinking is if you want accuracy and are thinking .223 Wydle, then you might as go for accuracy and get a 416-R barrel and optimize things.

If you are thinking longevity and barrel life, just get a FN CHF CL 5.56 barrel for $200 and have something that will last +20,000 rounds.

For the steel core ammo, are you talking about M855? If you are going to be shooting a lot of steel care ammo, I would personally just go with a FN CHF CL barrel.
100% agree with the above.

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1. my fucking FN CHF barrels better last more than 20k, my WASR is capable of 100K.

2. My oldest AR upper has around 10k, all on a cheapie parked C158/8620 standard BCG I got for under 70 bucks, zero issues, and now it's slick as any new NiB BCG. Hype'll cost ya, but doesn't really add much.

3. Rifle length gas is smoooooooooth shooting.

4. Anderson fucking rocks, I have two lowers and 3 uppers now and the fit is outstanding, i've actually replaced two PSA uppers with Andersons because the uppers themselves were sloppy fitting with nasty gaps, the Andersons fit perfect on all my lowers and vice versa.

5. PSA is usually worth it because it's cheap and shoots straight enough for most folks, if the upper portion itself fits sloppy, see note #4

6. It's seriously easy to actually build the upper yourself, and you may come in cheaper and still use better parts, barrel etc., even if you have to buy the vice block and wrench.
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I've got one of the 18 inch Stainless barrel uppers from PSA with the 223 wylde chamber and mine shoots very nice. Mine will not cycle tulammo, but it does okay with monarch and wolf steel cased ammo.
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https://gun.deals/product/psa-18-rif...-33999-shipped

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OP you ever make a decision?
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OP you ever make a decision?
I bought 3 AR Stoner 223 Wylde 5R stainless 416R fluted barrels with midlength gas....
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/22...tainless-steel



Midway USA had them stupid cheap with reviews and sub MOA pics as proof.
First one was $75, and then following week they dropped to $64 ea and bought 2 more.
They redid the listing and theyre back to $139 now, 135 reviews got wiped out I guess

I put one MLOK upper rifle together with all nickel boron LPK & BCG, Raptor style CH
I am doing a Daniel Defense Keymod setup tonight in dark bronze Like legos...lol
Anderson uppers and lowers have been PERFECT fitting for me.

I will post pics later after I get back from my sons Muay thai
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Excellent, way to go balls deep.

I'll be out at buffalo Rock this weekend sighting in my wylde setup with some extra magnification, gonna swap over my nightforce 4-14. Just loaded up a bunch of 77OTM's. Really interested in what they will do.

Shooting 500 yards on Sunday out in forreston on some family land, should get a good idea on potential with these cheap barrels.
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Final two 223 Wylde setups will be top in MLOK & FDE

Bottom is a 7.62x39 build in Daniel Defense gear, but same exact setup for the other AR stoner barrel.
I was just at Buffalo Rock a month or two ago sighting my 308 rifles in. Haven't been there in 12+ years.

It's a 90 minute drive for me, which is why I haven't been there in so long.
I shoot on private property most of the time, but for distance I might be going to Wisconsin more.

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