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Old 12-03-2017, 06:23 PM   #1
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Default 223 Vepr mags in a Bulgarian 5.56 build?

Looking at getting some 5.56 mags that are in the marketplace, and they are unmodified original .223/5.56 Vepr factory mags. I've never had them in hand before to check, and search isn't coming up with much, so I figured I would ask here...

Will the Vepr .223REM mags work in a Bulgarian AK74 kit built for 5.56? I don't want to spend a gorillion dollars on Beryl or Arsenal 5.56 mags just to have to block them down to 10rds each, so figured I would just grab some lower capacity mags and save a few bucks. From what I understand these should fit the magwell just fine, but will need the front top edge trimmed to clear the bullet guide in the AK74 (or in a converted Vepr) but should be usable...



Alternatively, any sources on cheap 10rd 223/5.56 mags would be helpful. I'm not spending $50+ per mag just to drill holes in and rivet them, when I can just spend a couple minutes filing on cheap mags...




Not interested in messing with converting 5.45 mags unless you have some already working with 5.56 you are wanting to unload cheap, sorry...
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Old 12-03-2017, 07:29 PM   #2
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oh, Orlite Galil mags occasionally pop up on GunBroker for around $25 each, just need a 10-second mod to function in converted Saiga 223's, so should function in your Bulgy build
Don't the 223 Saigas have an AKM magwell though? If so, the AK74 magwell on my Bulgarian wouldn't work for them...
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Old 12-04-2017, 11:01 AM   #3
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Russian pattern 223, Bulgarian and Polish are the same, so I assumed since ((10)) 223 mags function in both Saiga 223 and the Bulgarian SLR106, therefore Galil-Orlite / Saiga 223 mags also fit other Bulgarian 223 patter rifles.. your build.

Never previously tried it but I will dig out one my Galil-Orlite mags and function test it in my SLR106 tomorrow.

Galil-Orlite mags are slightly loose fitting in my Saiga 223 but has functioned at the range fine.
The 223 Saiga is different from the AK-101 and AK02.

The Russian military magazine is like the Bulgarian.

The Polish magazine is narrower and the follower is higher.

The 223 Saiga has a wider, 7.62x39 size magazine.

The 223 Verpr seems more like the military magazine, but with a feed guide extension on it.

Remember the rear tab on the Russian civilian magazines is thinner also.
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The 223 Saiga is different from the AK-101 and AK02.

The Russian military magazine is like the Bulgarian.

The Polish magazine is narrower and the follower is higher.

The 223 Saiga has a wider, 7.62x39 size magazine.

The 223 Verpr seems more like the military magazine, but with a feed guide extension on it.

Remember the rear tab on the Russian civilian magazines is thinner also.
Do you think the Vepr mags would work in my build with the leading edge modified to not foul the bullet guide?
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Do you think the Vepr mags would work in my build with the leading edge modified to not foul the bullet guide?
I'm not sure about the Vepr magazines.

I think removing, reshaping the lip at the bullet guide should work.

Not the front tab, but the lip above it that replaces the missing bullet guide.

The 223 Saiga magazines are wider than Bulgarian 5.56 magazines at the widest center and in the front trunnion.

The 223 Saiga uses a 7.62x39 receiver and trunnion.

The 5.45 Saiga does not.

The 223 Vepr may be dedicated 5.56 parts, which would be closer to the Bulgarian 5.56 specs.
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Old 12-04-2017, 04:22 PM   #6
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Can try steel pap m85 mags there are 10, 30 rounders
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Old 12-04-2017, 06:53 PM   #7
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Thanks for the schooling but it's somewhat depressing about the Saiga AK47magwell/trunnion. I need to re-evaluate having a full conversion plus AK100 style folding stock added to my Saiga 223 sporter because although the Galil-Orlite mags function, I didn't consider them "serious" mags due to their loose fitment.
It's pretty close.

The AK74M magwell is 24.5 mm wide.

The AK-103 magwell is 26.0 mm wide.

The AK-101 magwell is 25.0 mm wide.

The 223 Saiga does have the correct ejector rail.

Most 223 Saiga's have different barrels from AK-101's.

Some might come with the military barrels.

The 223 Saiga bolt has a raised bolt face.

The 223 Vepr bolt has a plain bolt face.

Some Yugo 5.56 AK's have raised bolt faces, some do not.

That may be a way of using a tight chamber while allowing additional case expansion.
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Have to get back to you on this. Modded a Pmag to fit Vepr. Will do more cross checking when time permits.
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Here you go. Vepr 223 mags are ~1.1" wide which is similar to the regular 47 mag. The 5.45 (74) mags are ~0.95". In addition the Vepr 223 mag needs shaving to lock into a Bulgy 74 front trunnion.

Something to think about. This on the "build" list if ever get caught up with other "duties".
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I use 10rd 5.45 Saiga mags in both my Vepr .223 and my .223 Saiga. I did need to remove the bump and fit for the bullet guide.
Tapco mags are pretty cheap and readily available if Saiga mags cannot be sourced. Just thought I would toss out another option. The Bulgarians made 5 and 10 rd mags for the .223 rifles.
Vepr .223 mags are thinned at the rear mag ,so they will be loose and may not function.

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Looking at getting some 5.56 mags that are in the marketplace, and they are unmodified original .223/5.56 Vepr factory mags. I've never had them in hand before to check, and search isn't coming up with much, so I figured I would ask here...

Will the Vepr .223REM mags work in a Bulgarian AK74 kit built for 5.56? I don't want to spend a gorillion dollars on Beryl or Arsenal 5.56 mags just to have to block them down to 10rds each, so figured I would just grab some lower capacity mags and save a few bucks. From what I understand these should fit the magwell just fine, but will need the front top edge trimmed to clear the bullet guide in the AK74 (or in a converted Vepr) but should be usable...



Alternatively, any sources on cheap 10rd 223/5.56 mags would be helpful. I'm not spending $50+ per mag just to drill holes in and rivet them, when I can just spend a couple minutes filing on cheap mags...




Not interested in messing with converting 5.45 mags unless you have some already working with 5.56 you are wanting to unload cheap, sorry...
Use $10 Tapco AK74 magazines. Or Arsenal .223 5/10 round mags.
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Use $10 Tapco AK74 magazines. Or Arsenal .223 5/10 round mags.
You mean that Tapco 5.45 mags will run in Bulgarian/Russian profile 5.56 rifles?
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You mean that Tapco 5.45 mags will run in Bulgarian/Russian profile 5.56 rifles?
10 rd mags, yes they will.
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You mean that Tapco 5.45 mags will run in Bulgarian/Russian profile 5.56 rifles?
I use them without any problems. I typically load 20 rounds but a full mag works. I think they fill up at 28 rounds.
I also just picked up a 20 round circle 10 from Grab A Gun
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