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Old 10-13-2017, 09:58 AM   #1
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Default What info can be legally scrubbed off a firearm?

Specifically an imported rifle. Obviously the manufacturer info and serial number are no-go. Can the importer info, caliber, model number, etc... be legally scrubbed?
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Old 10-13-2017, 10:47 AM   #2
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Depending on your state & local laws, everything but the serial number.

INCLUDING the manufacturer's info.
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Here is what I've found for Illinois http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs...072000050K24-5

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****(720 ILCS 5/24-5)*(from Ch. 38, par. 24-5)*
****Sec. 24-5.*Defacing identification marks of firearms.*
****(a) Any person who shall knowingly or intentionally change, alter, remove or obliterate the name of the importer's or manufacturer's serial number of any firearm commits a Class 2 felony.*
****(b) A person who possesses any firearm upon which any such importer's or manufacturer's serial number has been changed, altered, removed or obliterated commits a Class 3 felony.*
****(c) Nothing in this Section shall prevent a person from making repairs, replacement of parts, or other changes to a firearm if those repairs, replacement of parts, or changes cause the removal of the name of the maker, model, or other marks of identification other than the serial number on the firearm's frame or receiver.
****(d) A prosecution for a violation of this Section may be commenced within 6 years after the commission of the offense.*
(Source: P.A. 93-906, eff. 8-11-04.)
The part in bold is very ambiguous, IMO.
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Old 10-13-2017, 01:13 PM   #4
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Yes indeed it is... I would interpret that to mean all manufacturers and importers stamping sand engravings are to be left alone as is the serial number. Judge and jury may say otherwise, but when it comes to the law I think it’s always safer to assume the stricter interpretation is what was meant.
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Old 10-13-2017, 04:03 PM   #5
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US Gov't has required the text of the manufacturer/importer city, state, serial, and caliber to be clearly marked on the receiver or barrel since 1968.

I Know that it is a felony to remove the serial number, so that would include all 50 states.

I have never removed any of the other required info either to be honest.
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US Gov't has required the text of the manufacturer/importer city, state, serial, and caliber to be clearly marked on the receiver or barrel since 1968.

I Know that it is a felony to remove the serial number, so that would include all 50 states.

I have never removed any of the other required info either to be honest.
You're only half right there. They require the manufacturer and importer to mark the direarm with that information. There is no law that states it is illegal to remove that information, except the serial number.
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Old 10-13-2017, 05:40 PM   #7
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I didn't say that it was.
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I didn't say that it was.
Well, as that's the question the OP is asking . . .
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I didn't say that it was.
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If you say so.
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Old 10-14-2017, 07:30 AM   #11
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This is certainly not a legal statement, but of the 3 builders I communicated with over my Draco AIMR conversion, none would remove that info. They are likely just CYA'ing for all the different state differences as Nalioth mentioned.
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Federal regulations require not removing the serial number.

Some firearms have all info except the serial number on removal / replaceable parts of the firearm, such as the barrel, rear sight block, pistol slide, etc.

Note that Many STATES have laws prohibiting removal of, "any" identifying marks, "such as maker, model, importer, cartridge, serial number, etc."

Check the state laws!
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The crime of*Defacing Identification Marks of Firearms in Illinois is defined by*720 ILCS 5/24-5 as follows:

(a) Any person who shall knowingly or intentionally change, alter, remove or obliterate the name of the importer’s or manufacturer’s serial number of any firearm commits a Class 2 felony.

(b) A person who possesses any firearm upon which any such importer’s or manufacturer’s serial number has been changed, altered, removed or obliterated commits a Class 3 felony.

(c) Nothing in this Section shall prevent a person from making repairs, replacement of parts, or other changes to a firearm if those repairs, replacement of parts, or changes cause the removal of the name of the maker, model, or other marks of identification other than the serial number on the firearm’s frame or receiver.

(d) A prosecution for a violation of this Section may be commenced within 6 years after the commission of the offense.
(Source: P.A. 93-906, eff. 8-11-04.)

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs...072000050K24-5

http://ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilc...eqEnd=71400000

https://www.puryearlaw.com/2016/01/0...s-in-illinois/

http://www.payonklaw.com/weapons/ill...-serial-number
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If the weapon ever changes hands the caliber info could prevent an accident.
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If the weapon ever changes hands the caliber info could prevent an accident.
In my case, that's all the more reason to scrub the caliber marking. I have 1 rifle that's marked 5.56 but has been rebarrelled in 5.45.
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So basically both legal quotes above state that only the removal of the serial number is a crime.
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So basically both legal quotes above state that only the removal of the serial number is a crime.
That's how I read them as well. The problem is our laws aren't written in proper English, and don't follow the rules we know and love. Legalese has it's own rules and syntax.
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