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Old 02-12-2018, 06:49 PM   #1
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It seems like a lot of BS and hoops to jump through, Setting up a trust, the hassle if you ever want to resell it. What happens if I die, who gets the SBR.

It seems that a pistol and a kak blade has made the SBR irrelevant.
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It seems like a lot of BS and hoops to jump through, Setting up a trust, the hassle if you ever want to resell it. What happens if I die, who gets the SBR.

It seems that a pistol and a kak blade has made the SBR irrelevant.
It's a lot of hassle with the trust and all the new BS that goes with it when submitting a Form 1. But hey, I LOVE SBR's and I don't intend to sell any of mine. Plus, all of my SBR's will be passed on to my daughter when I'm gone.
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Old 02-12-2018, 07:15 PM   #3
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It seems like a lot of BS and hoops to jump through, Setting up a trust, the hassle if you ever want to resell it. What happens if I die, who gets the SBR.

It seems that a pistol and a kak blade has made the SBR irrelevant.
You list in order on the trust, the persons that the SBR gets passed on to. I much prefer a stock to a brace, so I jump through them stinking hoops!
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Just curious. How much is a trust and attorney fees
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No trust, or the extra cost that goes with one here. A brace is not, and will never be a stock. They're not as comfortable, or as prwctical as a stock. They also aren't correct if you're trying to clone something, like an AKS-74U.

So, no SBRs are not irrelevant.

SBR laws on the other hand are obsolete. They should be done away with.
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No trust, or the extra cost that goes with one here. A brace is not, and will never be a stock. They're not as comfortable, or as prwctical as a stock. They also aren't correct if you're trying to clone something, like an AKS-74U.

So, no SBRs are not irrelevant.

SBR laws on the other hand are obsolete. They should be done away with.
Agree with all, the Arm Brace effectively eliminated the need for the SBR registration by pointing out how pointless that law is

But Washington and the ATF are full of morons
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Not Irrelevant.
But there are some damn fine braces out there...
And I can cross state lines with a song in my heart and a smile on my face


My Suchka brace is less aesthetically pleasing.
But works fine for me...

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Once you sbr, it eliminates concealment capabilities of pistol in many states. I like the ability to travel with it loaded in front seat next to me so sbr is not going to cut it. I have sbr but don’t want to sbr all my pistols hence the brace.
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Once you sbr, it eliminates concealment capabilities of pistol in many states. I like the ability to travel with it loaded in front seat next to me so sbr is not going to cut it. I have sbr but don’t want to sbr all my pistols hence the brace.
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It seems like a lot of BS and hoops to jump through, Setting up a trust, the hassle if you ever want to resell it. What happens if I die, who gets the SBR.

It seems that a pistol and a kak blade has made the SBR irrelevant.
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I’d say the pistol route is way better than the SBR if you’re just looking to have something fun to shoot at the range or for defensive purposes.
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I SBR’d my 104UR because it’s only right. Stock form is just ridiculous. I can fit it in some of my day packs if I remove the booster, works fine without it, and it’s a pretty mean weapon as small as it is.
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It seems that a pistol and a TAILHOOK MOD 2 has made the SBR irrelevant.
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Kak blade is thin and has hardly anything to it for your cheek or if you accidently shoulder it......Tailhook mod 2 is the closest thing to a stock there is being all polymer (not rubber) with a cheek weld, wide surface at the end similar to the width of a buttpad, and is collapsible / multi position
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It seems like a lot of BS and hoops to jump through, Setting up a trust, the hassle if you ever want to resell it. What happens if I die, who gets the SBR.

It seems that a pistol and a kak blade has made the SBR irrelevant.
1. You don't have to set up a trust.

2. What happens "if" you die?

Well that depends a lot on what you do between now and that time.

If you have a will, like most adults, you can give it to anyone you want and who is allowed to own it. And it transfers to them tax free too.

3. How do you believe a kak blade has made the sbr irrelevant? It's still illegal to use them as shoulder fired weapons. Federal law is quite clear on that. Despite what opinion letters and idiocy that you read on the internet.

Federal law still applies.

18 U.S. Code § 921

(7) The term “rifle” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.

(8) The term “short-barreled rifle” means a rifle having one or more barrels less than sixteen inches in length and any weapon made from a rifle (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if such weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches.

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I used both the rifle definition and sbr legal definition above just to put it into correct context and I put in bold as emphasis.
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I don't have any SBR's.....yet. But I have a big hunch that once you have one, you'll want more. The brace is convenient in the fact that you don't have restrictions on where your allowed to travel with it. I think as it was stated above, a brace will never be as good as a stock.
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take an SBR and mortar it like you are trying to get a stuck case out of your action. Now do the same thing with a Kak brace'd pistol. SBR's are still relevant. they will never be replaced by a brace. The only thing that truly does give the same rigidity and stability of a stock is what gear head works is offering. Full on aluminum and polymer braces that can take a hit or two. They're tits. While other guy's like matrix and SB do make awesome braces, rubber will not ever replace the real deal and I love my SB PDW brace'd 11.5. Also not to mention how fugly my sten would look with a brace. just...fuck no..
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This AC-556F clone would be impossible without a stamp
Not all SBRs start life as a pistol.

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Once you sbr, it eliminates concealment capabilities of pistol in many states. I like the ability to travel with it loaded in front seat next to me so sbr is not going to cut it. I have sbr but don’t want to sbr all my pistols hence the brace.
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Noted. Dependent on state. Many do still allow a loaded 'firearm' in the vehicle or on a person.
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A pistol with a blade can't hold a candle to this:



And, those "hoops" of which you speak are only some paperwork and some time.

No big deal.

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And, those "hoops" of which you speak are only some paperwork and some time.

No big deal.

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^ This. If you can fill out a 1040 tax return, you can file a form 1.
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It's a lot of hassle with the trust and all the new BS that goes with it when submitting a Form 1. But hey, I LOVE SBR's and I don't intend to sell any of mine. Plus, all of my SBR's will be passed on to my daughter when I'm gone.
Filing a form 1 as an individual is a snap since the new responsible persons change. Removal of CLEO signature requirement makes it a no brainer for me

Islandfocus- I totally agree w/ you. If I had kids, the trust would be my preference

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Building a pistol with a brace with the intent to defraud the US of tax income is a serious crime.

I suggest folks be careful of their wording here.

Feds are lurking on this site. It's been well documented. Members have been arrested, harassed, and their lives destroyed.

Take it for what it's worth.
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I had a shockwave blade on my Draco-C, after looking at that hideous thing for a few weeks, I decided to SBR it.

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I see the usual shoveling of bullshit in progress.

A pistol arm brace is no substitute for a butt stock, and if you are purchasing one to bypass the NFA, you are committing a federal felony.

Intentionally shouldering an arm brace is a federal felony ( evading tax laws )

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Ya caint travel with it 'crosst state lines
I honestly don't know why this keeps popping up. It is absolutely bullshit.

You fill out form 5320.20 using the following values:

• Item 3: From: Today's date To: Today's date - 364 days from now ( one year, get it? )

• Item 5: Reason for transportation: All lawful purposes

• Item 7: Transporting to: ( List all NFA-friendly states you may remotely intend to visit within the next year [ If you list states where NFA weps are illegal, you will be getting a rejected form and/or a visit ])

You can list all your NFA weapons on this form ( the gov already knows you have them, right? )

You do not have to wait for a reply from the batflyers when sending this form to them.

Make sure you mark your calendar for 11 months from "today's date" so you can submit your form 20 for the next year ( yes, the form is valid for up to 12 months )


Should you travel to a non-NFA state with your NFA item, your ass is grass, of course.
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What? You think that plastic looks out of place?

Seriously though, I couldn't agree more.

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The braces wobble off and they suck. Some guns, like HK’s, AR’s, and Scorpions are easy to SBR. The AK is one of the most difficult. The 200$ it takes is annoying as shit.

Neckbeard braces are a crappy substitute but some people do not like playing and paying the out of control deep state.
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I don't have any SBR's.....yet. But I have a big hunch that once you have one, you'll want more. The brace is convenient in the fact that you don't have restrictions on where your allowed to travel with it. I think as it was stated above, a brace will never be as good as a stock.
You are absolutely right! The SLR104UR was my first SBR. It became a sickness after that and now I have 4 SBR's!

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And, those "hoops" of which you speak are only some paperwork and some time.

No big deal.

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I see the usual shoveling of bullshit in progress.

A pistol arm brace is no substitute for a butt stock, and if you are purchasing one to bypass the NFA, you are committing a federal felony.

Intentionally shouldering an arm brace is a federal felony ( evading tax laws )



I honestly don't know why this keeps popping up. It is absolutely bullshit.

You fill out form 5320.20 using the following values:

• Item 3: From: Today's date To: Today's date - 364 days from now ( one year, get it? )

• Item 5: Reason for transportation: All lawful purposes

• Item 7: Transporting to: ( List all NFA-friendly states you may remotely intend to visit within the next year [ If you list states where NFA weps are illegal, you will be getting a rejected form and/or a visit ])

You can list all your NFA weapons on this form ( the gov already knows you have them, right? )

You do not have to wait for a reply from the batflyers when sending this form to them.

Make sure you mark your calendar for 11 months from "today's date" so you can submit your form 20 for the next year ( yes, the form is valid for up to 12 months )


Should you travel to a non-NFA state with your NFA item, your ass is grass, of course.
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If you can call this irreverent... Well then
There's just something special about having things the way God intended them!

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For those saying a "brace" CANT replace a stock in terms of durability, explain to me the difference between the Gear Head tailhook mod 2 and a polymer stock without storage like magpul CTR, B5 bravo, etc?
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For those saying a "brace" CANT replace a stock in terms of durability, explain to me the difference between the Gear Head tailhook mod 2 and a polymer stock without storage like magpul CTR, B5 bravo, etc?
While I agree about durability with the Tailhook from Geargead the difference in comfort is there for sure.
I think in summation braces are a great alternative to SBR's for most common uses. But for those that want the original look of something or to clone, braces don't cut it. There are many nice braces that fill many different rolls but all in all almost all who go through the process getting a SBR will tell you there is something inherently different then a brace. I've had three braced AR's and sold all three yet my two SBR's are still here. They got shot the most, looked at the most and are the ones who most often leave the safe on "field-trips".
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While I agree about durability with the Tailhook from Geargead the difference in comfort is there for sure.
The gear head has a wider cheek weld, or at least the same, as most non storage stocks and the end of it is just as wide as a stocks buttpad. Definitely dont see a difference in terms of comfort other than a stock has a rubber buttpad where as the brace does not..........but then again, neither do any of these triangle stocks or underfolders

That being said, the Mod 2 costs as much as the stamp
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