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Old 02-17-2017, 01:22 AM   #1
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Default New Tula 8M3 problems feeding

I recently bought a case of this ammo to test out. Today I shot about 400rds using my Draco and VEPR. It choked both rifles. Every 2-3rds out of surplus steel mags caused a misfeed or double feed. I had to strip the mag and work the bolt to clear the rifles.

The circle 10 mags seemed to do better but would still get frequent hang ups.

Anyways. I just wanted to share a data point.
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Old 02-17-2017, 01:40 AM   #2
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Sounds like your Draco doesn't like it. My SGL 21-61 and M92 eat it like candy.
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Old 02-17-2017, 01:45 AM   #3
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VEPR neither. Ha guess I was born lucky
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Old 02-17-2017, 02:08 AM   #4
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I ran the new 8m3 ammo through a bunch of AKs a few weeks ago.
1 Draco had problems with it at first. Everybody else seemed happy to eat it up.
After the Draco saw how much everybody else liked it, then he started eating it just fine as well.

My advise is to fire the 8m3 through multiple different AKs in the presence of your problematic Draco and VEPR. Seemed to do the trick for me.

p.s. this was a brand new Draco by the way.
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Compare the length of it to FMJ ammo. It is likely shorter and this can cause feeding problems.
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Old 02-17-2017, 01:38 PM   #6
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If you want to off-load the rest of the ammo, I'll pay a fair price for it. PM me.
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Old 02-18-2017, 12:02 PM   #7
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Some folks say the HPs and SPs give them fits.
I still haven't found any of this Tula 8M3 local, and gun shows around these parts are few and far between if I want to drive less than 75 miles one way. LGS told me he had some Tula HPs last week......but I'm wondering if it was actually the 8M3.
All of my AKs run the Wolf 124gr HPs just fine. I wouldn't buy a whole case of the 8M3 until I knew the stuff ran fine in at least one of my AKs though. 160-240 rounds of that ammo would be a good test batch to my thinking. Hell.....might even give up some of my Norinco yellow box or GT for a sample.
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Old 02-18-2017, 06:48 PM   #8
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Some folks say the HPs and SPs give them fits.
I still haven't found any of this Tula 8M3 local, and gun shows around these parts are few and far between if I want to drive less than 75 miles one way. LGS told me he had some Tula HPs last week......but I'm wondering if it was actually the 8M3.
All of my AKs run the Wolf 124gr HPs just fine. I wouldn't buy a whole case of the 8M3 until I knew the stuff ran fine in at least one of my AKs though. 160-240 rounds of that ammo would be a good test batch to my thinking. Hell.....might even give up some of my Norinco yellow box or GT for a sample.
Thats because this is a special run between SGAmmo and the importer.
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Thats because this is a special run between SGAmmo and the importer.
I reckon that splains some things.
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Old 02-19-2017, 12:40 PM   #10
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Thats because this is a special run between SGAmmo and the importer.
Which is revealing an increasingly common problem.

Contract ammo with Russian factories producing custom ammo might not be the best idea.
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Old 02-19-2017, 01:50 PM   #11
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Which is revealing an increasingly common problem.

Contract ammo with Russian factories producing custom ammo might not be the best idea.
I don't see the problem.

Option A: SGA get's a special run of 8M3.

Option B: Nobody get's 8M3.

In what universe is option B better?
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Old 02-19-2017, 03:54 PM   #12
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It runs fine in my rifles. I've struck a deal with OP to take the rest off his hands.

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It runs find in my rifles. I've struck a deal with OP to take the rest off his hands.
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Old 02-21-2017, 02:06 AM   #14
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I was able to get out and shoot this round today in both my Draco (11.5") and SLR107-FR and had no issues. I put about 60 rounds through each.

*Edit to add: I was using 30rd Circle 10 mags.

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Old 02-23-2017, 01:14 PM   #15
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I have an UF Romie that doesn't like HP,

It has a single feed bolt. I'm trying to get a Dbl feed bolt(and headspace it of course) to check out my theory. Anything as slight as this, although we ALL know single feed bolts do work on dbl feed systems, can affect this.

Good recovery on ammo. I did something similar and traded all the HP with 2toedsnapper for FMJ, "symptom" solved.

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Old 02-23-2017, 05:29 PM   #16
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Try plastic mag's, they are typically tighter fitting. P-Mag or Tapco

OR try the same combination of gun / mag / ammo and pull the magazine in towards your self when you fire the rifle. If you have some slack in the rear locking lug of the magazine, your rounds will be just a bit lower and not feed correctly with JHP.

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I GOT 2000 ROUNDS THEY HAVE RUN THROUGH MY SAIGA GREAT USED EVERYTHING FROM TAPCO MAGS TO AN AK103 MAG NOT ONE PROBLEM OUT OF 300 ROUNDS FIRED ALREADY
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Compare the length of it to FMJ ammo. It is likely shorter and this can cause feeding problems.
THEY ARE THE SAME
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Old 03-15-2017, 03:05 PM   #19
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Sounds like your Draco doesn't like it. My SGL 21-61 and M92 eat it like candy.
YEP MY SAIGA LOVES IT
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Old 03-16-2017, 10:00 AM   #20
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Whats with all the yelling man? ^^^
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Whats with all the yelling man? ^^^
Maybe he's Samuel L Jackson?
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Old 03-16-2017, 10:48 AM   #22
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Whats with all the yelling man? ^^^
Hes not yelling, he's just speaking in "all caps"......

LoOk aT tHe BrIgHt SiDe He CoUlD bE tYpInG lIkE tHiS.....
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maybe he is from the VIC-20 days,,,,
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M92 has eaten 100 rounds of it, no issues.
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Some rifles have feeding problems with HP ammo.
Mine had a problem with SP. Pmags solved it with the 154 grain SP. HP has fed and functioned with everything from Pmags to the Korean,IIRC, production magazines that everyone loves to hate on.
Trying new magazines is a start, but in the end, some rifles will not play well with some ammo.
Hope it works out for you.
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I have yet to pick up a case of the new 8m3 mostly because I still have a few cases of the old 8m3 stashed away. I have ran many mags of the old 8m3 through my SLR-107CR SBR and it works like a champ. That is what I keep in my mags for when my pistol just won't convince somebody to get off my lawn.

I may order a case of the new stuff just to compare.
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I shot a case of the new 8m3 yesterday, 100 rounds. No problems. Not the MOST accurate (or inaccurate) x39 that exists... but the point of it isn't accuracy, it's the massive expansion capability or "8m3 effect".

I will say, it's just as dirty as everything else Tula though. It's like they stuff their ammo with dirt prior to sealing.
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My Mak is the only ak that I own that will not feed hollow points.
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YEP MY SAIGA LOVES IT
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A few mags through my SLR107R without a malfunction, though I did note that the trigger felt "off" as the bolt was cycling. It was "off" to the point where I assumed a malfunction but upon inspection, found nothing and the next round fired/cycled without incident. I'm going to try 8M3 in PMags next time out for the heck of it, testing was done with Croat/Yugos.

No issues with the 8M3 in my WASR.
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