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Old 04-15-2019, 12:07 PM   #1
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Wondering how they are
https://www.centerfiresystems.com/p-...condition.aspx
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Old 04-15-2019, 12:10 PM   #2
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Stuff from IO/RTI, I believe
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Old 04-15-2019, 12:14 PM   #3
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Looks like a solid deal assuming all polish parts.
Nicer if it was less and without the shit furniture
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Old 04-15-2019, 12:17 PM   #4
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This...
https://armsofamerica.com/polishmode...ure-2-1-2.aspx
Or this...
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Old 04-15-2019, 10:27 PM   #6
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Old 04-15-2019, 10:50 PM   #7
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Yes they are Polish parts.. however they are Polish parts only in that they are made in Poland by the shitty company that IO partnered with to build some AKs a few years back where they used the barrel as a bucking bar for the front trunnion rivets among many other issues.. what was that companies name? Something like Frontier or something like that?
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Yes they are Polish parts.. however they are Polish parts only in that they are made in Poland by the shitty company that IO partnered with to build some AKs a few years back where they used the barrel as a bucking bar for the front trunnion rivets among many other issues.. what was that companies name? Something like Frontier or something like that?
Pioneer (RUN...). In Radom but not the quality of WBP or FB...
https://www.pioneer-pac.com/
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Pioneer (RUN...). In Radom but not the quality of WBP or FB...
https://www.pioneer-pac.com/
^^^^ was just going to say likely Pioneer.
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Old 04-16-2019, 08:53 AM   #10
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Thanks for the feedback. I was planning on ordering a kit but was wondering why they weren't flying off the shelf with a factory barrel
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Old 04-16-2019, 09:40 AM   #11
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When you purposely don't list a manufacturer, but in the FAQ say you're contacting the MFG to ask questions
Red Flag. My guess it's Pioneer garbage, like the others already guessed.

This is also why I gave AKGuy's "New Romanian Parts" AK offering a serious scrutiny because
he didn't specifically say Cugir Romania, and that means it could be any new commercial company
in Romanian making them.

People have to very careful and ask these questions, and if not advertised, it's a red flag to me.
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Here is my question, if AOA advertises by WBP in Poland, are you guys then saying this kits parts are absolutely not?

https://armsofamerica.com/polishmode...e-2-1-2-1.aspx
“We take all of the guess work out of assembling brand new virgin parts by properly profiling your bolt and headspacing it to a high end Polish Hammer Forged Chrome lined barrel! All of the major gunsmithing work has already been completed! These new sporter replacement kits are 100% Brand new Polish production AKM-47 Parts kit utilizing the original Military forged trunnion w/ Polish chrome lined forged barrel *minus buttstock* MFG in Rogow, Poland by WBP These parts kits feature a 100% fully machined bolt & bolt carrier fully heat treated w/ finish. Unlike any other new production AK bolts currently being sold WBP checks these bolts for 58 proper dimensions using the Zeiss CMM

This parts kit includes everything minus furniture, receiver, and rivets/trigger parts.


These parts kits survived extensive torture testing from AKOU”
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Here is my question, if AOA advertises by WBP in Poland, are you guys then saying this kits parts are absolutely not?

https://armsofamerica.com/polishmode...e-2-1-2-1.aspx
“We take all of the guess work out of assembling brand new virgin parts by properly profiling your bolt and headspacing it to a high end Polish Hammer Forged Chrome lined barrel! All of the major gunsmithing work has already been completed! These new sporter replacement kits are 100% Brand new Polish production AKM-47 Parts kit utilizing the original Military forged trunnion w/ Polish chrome lined forged barrel *minus buttstock* MFG in Rogow, Poland by WBP These parts kits feature a 100% fully machined bolt & bolt carrier fully heat treated w/ finish. Unlike any other new production AK bolts currently being sold WBP checks these bolts for 58 proper dimensions using the Zeiss CMM

This parts kit includes everything minus furniture, receiver, and rivets/trigger parts.


These parts kits survived extensive torture testing from AKOU”
IO has been peddling Pioneer for awhile from what I recall. Not sure but once heard they may own it. Dont quote me but cant confirm. Highly unlikely that kit is an WBP. That stock alone is something I've seen on IO rifles for several years.
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Old 04-16-2019, 10:05 PM   #14
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When you purposely don't list a manufacturer, but in the FAQ say you're contacting the MFG to ask questions
Red Flag. My guess it's Pioneer garbage, like the others already guessed.

This is also why I gave AKGuy's "New Romanian Parts" AK offering a serious scrutiny because
he didn't specifically say Cugir Romania, and that means it could be any new commercial company
in Romanian making them.

People have to very careful and ask these questions, and if not advertised, it's a red flag to me.
And it has been over a YEAR since asked and they haven't answered whether the barrel is chrome lined or not.
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Old 04-16-2019, 10:33 PM   #15
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IO has been peddling Pioneer for awhile from what I recall. Not sure but once heard they may own it. Dont quote me but cant confirm. Highly unlikely that kit is an WBP. That stock alone is something I've seen on IO rifles for several years.
The post#4 in this thread by Unit28 has 2 different kits.

The first kit definitely appears to be the IO stock.
https://armsofamerica.com/polishmode...ure-2-1-2.aspx

The kit I referred to is the one with the description as original WBP parts.
https://armsofamerica.com/polishmode...e-2-1-2-1.aspx

If it’s false advertising then as soon as they mail the kit that’s not original WBP parts, if assuming what some are saying is correct, then that would be fraud.

I didn’t know AoA had a reputation of misrepresentation, if that’s what it is.

Can anyone verify that in fact this #2 kit is not true WBP?
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The post#4 in this thread by Unit28 has 2 different kits.

The first kit definitely appears to be the IO stock.
https://armsofamerica.com/polishmode...ure-2-1-2.aspx

The kit I referred to is the one with the description as original WBP parts.
https://armsofamerica.com/polishmode...e-2-1-2-1.aspx

If it’s false advertising then as soon as they mail the kit that’s not original WBP parts, if assuming what some are saying is correct, then that would be fraud.

I didn’t know AoA had a reputation of misrepresentation, if that’s what it is.

Can anyone verify that in fact this #2 kit is not true WBP?
My post was referring to original Centerfire kit shown in first post. Cant speak to AoA, never looked at those kits.
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Regarding the item at the link in OP's post, I see some parts that are unique to I.O. - the buttstock and the pistol grip - but the remainder of parts could be from anyone. The barrel appears to have been installed. One might suspect this is an assembly destroyed due to warranty return, failure at final inspection, or just unsold inventory.

My best guess? These kits are from rifles made by Pioneer - a former I.O. supplier in Radom, Poland who filed for bankruptcy a couple years ago. Video from that shop showed questionable riveting practice and these may well be some of those arms manufactured there.

Not to be confused of course with the premium manufacturers Fabryka Broni (Radom, Poland) or Wytwornia Broni Jacek Popinski (WBP) (Rogow, Poland).
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Here is my question, if AOA advertises by WBP in Poland, are you guys then saying this kits parts are absolutely not?

https://armsofamerica.com/polishmode...e-2-1-2-1.aspx
“We take all of the guess work out of assembling brand new virgin parts by properly profiling your bolt and headspacing it to a high end Polish Hammer Forged Chrome lined barrel! All of the major gunsmithing work has already been completed! These new sporter replacement kits are 100% Brand new Polish production AKM-47 Parts kit utilizing the original Military forged trunnion w/ Polish chrome lined forged barrel *minus buttstock* MFG in Rogow, Poland by WBP These parts kits feature a 100% fully machined bolt & bolt carrier fully heat treated w/ finish. Unlike any other new production AK bolts currently being sold WBP checks these bolts for 58 proper dimensions using the Zeiss CMM

This parts kit includes everything minus furniture, receiver, and rivets/trigger parts.


These parts kits survived extensive torture testing from AKOU”
If AoA says they are WBP kits they are WBP kits. The kit in the OP (original post) sold by centerfire Has IO Inc parts attached to it so it is an IO Inc rifle made by Pioneer in Poland that has been parted out. Its junk. Also, if you read the questions being asked on the centerfire website on the FAQ page they are being deceptive by only replying that the parts are made in Poland, they know where they got the parts from.
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Sorry guys, my bad.

Was operating on low sleep yesterday, missed it.
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