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Old 02-12-2018, 07:41 PM   #1
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My 14 year old grandson has been saving to buy a shotgun and is ready. He asked me for advice. I know very little current about shotguns. He has decided to get a 12 gauge at least 3 inch magnum for versatility. He is a husky strong kid, linebacker. Primarily he will hunt waterfowl in the PNW, maybe a few grouse and pheasant, and fairly likely to hunt deer with it. He has a .22, killed his first deer a few weeks ago with his bow and is part of a family that hunts hard and well, though none are shotgunners.

I think he has about $300-350 saved. Basic entry level shotgun with the main criteria that it is ruggedly reliable and works rain or shine. Used or new. I think that he likes pumps and has looked at Remington, Winchester, an old Ithaca 37, asked about Mossberg.

I told him that I would ask some folks who know more than I do. Brand? Model? What to avoid?
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Stay away from new remingtons as their QC went to shit unless its a police model

Id say either a used 870 police , mossberg 500 / 590, or a IAC Hawk 982 / 981...........theres no going wrong with any of those
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How about this one.
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Old 02-12-2018, 08:42 PM   #6
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Stay away from new remingtons as their QC went to shit unless its a police model

Id say either a used 870 police , mossberg 500 / 590, or a IAC Hawk 982 / 981...........theres no going wrong with any of those
Thanks for the lowdown but what’s wrong with the new Remington?
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Old 02-12-2018, 09:43 PM   #8
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I’d pick up and old 870. Still plenty of them around.
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Thanks for the lowdown but what’s wrong with the new Remington?
Long story short they are giant piles of steaming shit. I know anything made within the last 5 years is a turd for sure and I think the hard number might be 2007 and newer but not 100%

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$300-350 puts you quite firmly in the mossberg 500 price range which is a good boomstick with plenty of aftermarket barrels and accessories.

For used you can always look for Remington 870’s but it seems like used shotgun prices have slowly been creeping up but keep an eye on classifieds.
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Old 02-13-2018, 12:00 AM   #10
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The first thing you change with any current day 870 is the ejector and the follower. The ejector will have to be changed by a gunsmith and not just any gun smith will tackle the job because of the rivets. The parts are easily ordered from Midway though. The finish is also bad on them as they are prone to rusting so you might want to dip them. I have 4 870’s and only one is new. I bought it knowing what I was getting and I only paid $264 for it but I’ve also had it dipped and done the two upgrades to it, now it runs like any of my others. It’s my beater gun though, that’s why I bought it because I don’t care what happens to it. It goes years without being cleaned.
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500. Still have and use mine purchased 33 years ago.
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New England Firearms break action is a great starter gun.
As much as I love my Remington 870, I can't recommend them. As much as I dislike the Mossbergs, I must recommend them.
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Old 02-13-2018, 07:30 AM   #13
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Long story short they are giant piles of steaming shit. I know anything made within the last 5 years is a turd for sure and I think the hard number might be 2007 and newer but not 100%



^^^thanks to these guys

$300-350 puts you quite firmly in the mossberg 500 price range which is a good boomstick with plenty of aftermarket barrels and accessories.

For used you can always look for Remington 870’s but it seems like used shotgun prices have slowly been creeping up but keep an eye on classifieds.

Thanks for the advice partner, I hear Remington are filing for bankruptcy. Shitty guns and low sales.
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My view is an older Remington 870 is a good choice.

If you can find one, a Winchester 1200, I have a Sears model 200 my parents gave me over 40 years ago that I still have and runs today like it did when I first got it.
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grabbed a mossberg 590A1 used from Cabela's years ago for 300.
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Big 5 is having a sale on the Mossberg Maverick 88 12 Gauge Combo - with 2 barrels, 28" field and 18.5" security for $239.99

Best of both worlds
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Big 5 is having a sale on the Mossberg Maverick 88 12 Gauge Combo - with 2 barrels, 28" field and 18.5" security for $239.99

Best of both worlds
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The Maverick 88 is a fine little shotgun and those barrels will work on a 500 too.

Or you can get the 500 Combo for around 380 these days. Either will give him years of service.
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For a first time shotgun based on the info, I wouldn't rule out a 20 gauge.

Or both 12 and 20
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When I was 14 my first shotgun was a 12 gauge Ithaca model 37 pump, alas they don't make them any more. Get a nice Mossberg 500 or 590 combo pack, you can't go wrong with that!
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Mossberg 500, a great shot gun to start. Very versatile, easy to change barrels, stocks, etc. near bullit proof.
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This. Simple to start, and cost under $100 last I knew. If a pump, a simple Maverick 88, Mossy 500 or (as said) older used 870.
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In helping him choose be sure that he handles any model that he is considering. In regards to the Remington 870 vs Mossberg 500, I prefer the Mossberg due the position of the safety. I cannot speak for the other models/brands suggested.
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Here’s a good price on a 500, might wanna use the extra cash saved for a hunting barrel
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Hawk 982 w ghost ring sights; someone posted a link to Buds and they had them for about $200. They are easily worth twice that. Built like a tank, handles great and is an 870 clone. It is a little heavier than the Mossberg 500, but that isn't the worst thing for a kids first 12GA
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My first was a Moss 500 with slug barrel and shot barrel, its a great starter gun that one is not afraid to haul through the bush. There is nothing wrong with the 870's, they are actually smoother than the mossy's, but look for an older one as they seem more solid. My 2 cents
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I'd sure enough go this route, I posted this DEAL sometime back.. It's a better built 870 clone..
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get the young man a good used Remington 1100! and yes you can find one for 350-400 bucks. its the best shotgun ever made and he will use it for his entire life and always thank you for it! in that price range nothing can compare! as far as the idiot that said stay away from Remington is because he never had one! now, stay away from the 11-87! (that must have been what he had!) trust me on this. 30 inch full choke vent rib barrel, and if you have to one with screw in chokes, but make sure its factory. RED
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I've got several Remingtons and I suggest you look into an 870P(Police) model if you're going for a late model Remington. Also in terms of being exposed to the elements/rust, there are marine models.



I know you want to keep your son safe, and I bring this up not to discourage you folks, but in the spirit of keeping a healthy respect for shotguns, and safety, which is the issue of shotguns and inertia discharge.

Some shotguns like the Remington have a cross bolt safety which immobilizes the trigger but doesn't immobilize the firing pin. The force of dropping some shotguns can cause the shotgun to fire due to inertia discharge.

Here's a link where this is discussed in specifics, in what I think is one of most illuminating discussions about inertia discharge.

https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=333080



Your son doesn't sound like a "fumblefingers" whose constantly dropping things, but I brought this issue up because no one else has.

I keep my Remingtons for the range, and HD.

I don't hunt, so my guns are kept w/the chamber empty, loaded mags, with the hammer down.



Some folks don't like the idea of having to rack a shotgun and alerting somebody whose broken into your house, and of course that isn't going to do much for the element of surprise when it comes to hunting, but at least now you're aware of the inertia discharge issue.

Good luck w/your final choice.

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Stoeger 3500 semi auto is a great one for water fowl (although I usually use my Browning 10 ga.). I got my nephews Stoeger 2500 and 3500 12 ga shotguns for Christmas gifts over the years and they slay lots of ducks and geese. Another decent low cost choice being a Legacy 12 ga.
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My first shotgun at age 18 was a model 37 Ithaca in 20 gauge, then a model 37 in 12 gauge soon after. My favorite pump gun! Get a model 87 or later model 37 for 3" chamber. I currently have an model 87 with a screw in choke and deer slayer barrels and a model 37 DSPS 7+1. Look for cracks in the stock though.
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Evidently, some didn't read this.

Primarily he will hunt waterfowl in the PNW, maybe a few grouse and pheasant, and fairly likely to hunt deer with it.

Mossberg 500 or Remington 870, Combo. Effective, fits his budget and will do all he intends to and then some. Lots of aftermarket goodies available for both.

Personally I'd go with the Mossberg. A used 835 ultimag fits the budget, 3 1/2 inch chamber may be a plus for waterfowl.
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Another vote for the Mosberg 500. Used is fine as well as new. Most gunshops have a rack or a trash can in the corner filled with shotgun bbls, about a month after a hunting season ends you can often find rifled slug bbls (deer season) and longer screw in choke bbls (waterfowl, rabbit, etc. season) for cheap and only used once! Aftermarket bbls new are also fairly cheap for this model. Thumb safety is quick and easy with the original stock.
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The Mossberg 500 is a good choice.

The plastic safety button can break but there are aftermarket metal replacement ones available.

The Mossberg Maverick is cheaper, but can still use most the 500 barrels.

Maybe look for the best deal on a 500, but if that is still too much, the Maverick should be alright.

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I'll put my 2 cents in on the Winchester 1200 as a reliable and affordable pump gun. I hunted lots of ducks, geese and doves with one and even bagged a couple of coyotes, before switching to a double.

Generally they come with three screw in chokes, and there are a lot of barrels, used and aftermarket available for them including slug barrels. Accessories and barrels are usually cheaper than Remington and even Mossberg.

If you can find a used Ranger model in good shape they are usually a real good bargain. They even made some with a cool laminated green dyed camo stock, but those are a bit higher than the basic ones.
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