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Old 12-28-2017, 05:14 PM   #106
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Digging the Ruger PC9!

As I already have SR mags, plan to add a Security 9 to the collection, so I can use those mags as well, and I have a bunch of Glock mags that I use in my AR9. All can be used in the PC9!

That's a smart move by Ruger!

It's a breakdown design which is also cool.

Only thing I don't care for are the sights.
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Hopefully Ruger will release a version with a threaded barrel. If not I'm sure the aftermarket will.
The blog author is sad you didn't read what they wrote . . . .

( threaded barrel is standard on the "free state" edition )
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The blog author is sad you didn't read what they wrote . . . .

( threaded barrel is standard on the "free state" edition )
I'm sad you didn't see my corrected post before you added your uneccassary drivel.

But thanks...
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I'm sad you didn't see my corrected post before you added your uneccassary drivel.

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Kinda hard to see things from an edit window :/
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Kinda hard to see things from an edit window :/
Then maybe you shouldn't be so quick to try and mock someone?
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PC Carbine™ chambered in 9mm Luger from Ruger

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A carbine in 5.7 is an interesting idea. Much more expensive than my 9mm, but would definitely consider if I already had a FN 5.7.
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Not a big fan of pistol caliber carbines myself. They don't solve any real problems or fill any real needs imo. They are fun for the range or if you needed some sort of small take down gun to backpack and shoot varmints with. But they don't really excel at anything when it comes to defense or hunting.
If we could get full auto stuff then I would change my mind but in semi auto you're better off blasting intermediate or full sized rifle rounds every time you pull the trigger on something labeled a "carbine".
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A carbine in 5.7 is an interesting idea. Much more expensive than my 9mm, but would definitely consider if I already had a FN 5.7.
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The Ruger PC9 kinda reminds me of a revamped camp carbine.

Not a bad thing if it is.
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Not a big fan of pistol caliber carbines myself. They don't solve any real problems or fill any real needs imo. They are fun for the range or if you needed some sort of small take down gun to backpack and shoot varmints with. But they don't really excel at anything when it comes to defense or hunting.
If we could get full auto stuff then I would change my mind but in semi auto you're better off blasting intermediate or full sized rifle rounds every time you pull the trigger on something labeled a "carbine".
The argument is that they are more more accurate and less recoil...
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The argument is that they are more more accurate and less recoil...
Yep. I can triple tap the head fast with a PCC vs being off target by the 2nd shot in the same time with a SBR at about 20 yards.
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Those masterpiece arms carbines are crazy.

We had one in the shop for cleaning. Customer complained it was "going full auto".

The trigger is stupid light and it bump fired 10 rounds from the shoulder into my test fire bin before I could blink.

So for cheap thrills, MPA ftw.
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Do most ranges allow pistol caliber carbines on their handgun ranges or no?
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Do most ranges allow pistol caliber carbines on their handgun ranges or no?
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But it’s only a 9mm...

You know, like a paintball gun, but less deadly.



While some of you are planing on the gun fight at the end of the world, I plan on more likely, real life self defense scenarios...

Ones where I have to drop the hammer at a 21 feet or less, not 300 meters.

You know, based on current, real life situations and my home’s floor plan.

The problem with pistol calibers isn't that they don't work it's that they're slow to work. In most self defense and police shootings I see pistol calibers are taking 3-7 rounds to subdue the threat. The limitations of the pistol round force that many rounds to be fired to accelerate the speed at which the treat is stopped. The question is, is it faster to use a braced rifle caliber chambered pistol due to lower amount of hits needed and if so how important is that speed given that there could more than one threat and unlike police and military legally armed civilians are most often alone in aiding their defense when forced to shoot.

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Not a big fan of pistol caliber carbines myself. They don't solve any real problems or fill any real needs imo. They are fun for the range or if you needed some sort of small take down gun to backpack and shoot varmints with. But they don't really excel at anything when it comes to defense or hunting.
If we could get full auto stuff then I would change my mind but in semi auto you're better off blasting intermediate or full sized rifle rounds every time you pull the trigger on something labeled a "carbine".
Please show me a full size rifle that is 5lbs or less and can fit in a 20" backpack without being disassembled

My sub 2000 loaded with 33 HST 147+p is plenty sufficient for anything short of a Russian invasion and fits those criteria.

I can carry it all day in a pack with 200 rounds on loaded mags comfortably, and all it takes is to unfold it and it is ready. With a sound forwarder I can shoot it comfortably without hearing protection if need be.

With a rifle I would need either a "pistol" with a brace (really loud, fireballs, bad ballistics) or one that needs assembly before use. Plus the ammo for most rifles weighs considerably more meaning I cannot carry nearly as much comfortably
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Please show me a full size rifle that is 5lbs or less and can fit in a 20" backpack without being disassembled

My sub 2000 loaded with 33 HST 147+p is plenty sufficient for anything short of a Russian invasion and fits those criteria.

I can carry it all day in a pack with 200 rounds on loaded mags comfortably, and all it takes is to unfold it and it is ready. With a sound forwarder I can shoot it comfortably without hearing protection if need be.

With a rifle I would need either a "pistol" with a brace (really loud, fireballs, bad ballistics) or one that needs assembly before use. Plus the ammo for most rifles weighs considerably more meaning I cannot carry nearly as much comfortably


It fits in a backpack, law tactical folding stock adapter check em out they rock! You'd have to strip it down to irons only and QD off the blast diffuser and that would get it down to under 6lbs but then again it does have a Noveske heavy barrel.

You're aware that 147gr 9mm (0.4oz/ea) weighs more than 62gr 556 (0.35oz/ea) right?? Talking about how much the loaded rounds weigh just to be clear.

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Do most ranges allow pistol caliber carbines on their handgun ranges or no?
Depends on the range.

If you have one run by one of those guys wot believes the extra 6" of barrel will produce enough extra energy to blow out the back wall or evacuate a new sump pit down range, "no".
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Takes glock mags. They're smart. Hopefully it gets popular enough that it gets plenty of aftermarket support. Integral suppressed barrel. Magpul hunter stock. And Its called PC. I like it. Sign me up.
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The argument is that they are more more accurate and less recoil...
More accurate because of less recoil yes. Also has less effective terminal ballistics and a shorter effective range.
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Please show me a full size rifle that is 5lbs or less and can fit in a 20" backpack without being disassembled

My sub 2000 loaded with 33 HST 147+p is plenty sufficient for anything short of a Russian invasion and fits those criteria.

I can carry it all day in a pack with 200 rounds on loaded mags comfortably, and all it takes is to unfold it and it is ready. With a sound forwarder I can shoot it comfortably without hearing protection if need be.

With a rifle I would need either a "pistol" with a brace (really loud, fireballs, bad ballistics) or one that needs assembly before use. Plus the ammo for most rifles weighs considerably more meaning I cannot carry nearly as much comfortably
Nobodies talking about full sized rifles though, I'm talking about what I call "carbines" and what most people more accurately would call a PDW these days. Any PDW sized firearm needs to be taken down, folded up or otherwise be made more compact in order to fit into a backpack. Plenty of designs in many calibers exist though lucky for us.

Its good you are confident in what you're carrying and that it also feels comfortable for you to carry.
The 9mm ammo isn't really any lighter than some intermediate rifle rounds though. For example a 124 gr 9mm round is heavier than most 5.56 loadings. So you can already carry the same load out but more terminally effective at around the same size, weight and cost.
And even if you did have heavier ammo why do you need 200 rounds of it ? You said you weren't fighting Russians right ? Just carry a little less to make up for a weight difference. Or get stronger.
Same thing with the ears, you can carry anything from cheap plugs to sonic plugs and everything in between. If the Russians show up who gives a crap about a little less noise and muzzle blast, there's fucking Russians in them trees over there trying to kill us man. Put them on when you get to cover.
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Please show me a full size rifle that is 5lbs or less and can fit in a 20" backpack without being disassembled

My sub 2000 loaded with 33 HST 147+p is plenty sufficient for anything short of a Russian invasion and fits those criteria.

I can carry it all day in a pack with 200 rounds on loaded mags comfortably, and all it takes is to unfold it and it is ready. With a sound forwarder I can shoot it comfortably without hearing protection if need be.

With a rifle I would need either a "pistol" with a brace (really loud, fireballs, bad ballistics) or one that needs assembly before use. Plus the ammo for most rifles weighs considerably more meaning I cannot carry nearly as much comfortably
Amen mine has and will continue to serve me well.Hides under a jacket also.
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Nobodies talking about full sized rifles though, I'm talking about what I call "carbines" and what most people more accurately would call a PDW these days. Any PDW sized firearm needs to be taken down, folded up or otherwise be made more compact in order to fit into a backpack. Plenty of designs in many calibers exist though lucky for us.

Its good you are confident in what you're carrying and that it also feels comfortable for you to carry.
The 9mm ammo isn't really any lighter than some intermediate rifle rounds though. For example a 124 gr 9mm round is heavier than most 5.56 loadings. So you can already carry the same load out but more terminally effective at around the same size, weight and cost.
And even if you did have heavier ammo why do you need 200 rounds of it ? You said you weren't fighting Russians right ? Just carry a little less to make up for a weight difference. Or get stronger.
Same thing with the ears, you can carry anything from cheap plugs to sonic plugs and everything in between. If the Russians show up who gives a crap about a little less noise and muzzle blast, there's fucking Russians in them trees over there trying to kill us man. Put them on when you get to cover.
When and if they show up,could be moslems,chinese who knows. I know one thing 2/3 of the country will submit like a sheep in a slaughter house,guaranteed.
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Saw where the Ruger PC9's were going on pre-order for $519. If anyone is interested.

I expect they'll be shipping by/around shotshow timeframe.
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Can't really call it a carbine, but I picked up this FX-9 for a cheap range toy and I really like it. Its light, accurate and uses glock mags. Its amazingly quiet with subsonic ammo. I added the Holosun510C, Hogue grip and sling.

I see plenty of utility in this thing at close range. I shot it at an indoor range yesterday (20 yds) and it's an attention whore.

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That Ruger looks pretty cool; I don't have a Glock, but the availability of Glock mags (especially 33 rounders) makes that a definite plus.

Probably have to see ti in person to know whether I could like the sights or not though.


ETA: Actually I have an Aimpoint Micro H-1 laying around so I don't really care if I like the sights

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You seem to be forgetting elementary physics . .

Even if the 147 grains don't penetrate, it's still gonna leave a mark.

OH WAIT! Your 9mm carbine uses 32 round mags?

WHAT? Shoot until the target is neutralized?


Some of you guys get so twisted over penetration and forget all about blunt force trauma . .


Didn't read much ( if any ) of this thread, eh?
read enough.
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Can't really call it a carbine, but I picked up this FX-9 for a cheap range toy and I really like it. Its light, accurate and uses glock mags. Its amazingly quiet with subsonic ammo. I added the Holosun510C, Hogue grip and sling.

I see plenty of utility in this thing at close range. I shot it at an indoor range yesterday (20 yds) and it's an attention whore.


Actually the Freedom Ordnance FX-9 is considered a carbine. Good looking one IMHO too.
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Well I really like mine(kind of a carbine). All but the damn strike industries flat wire spring fitting so tight on the cmmg buffer that it got stuck and wouldn't extend. No problem because I just swapped it out for my cmmg spring and it ran like a top.
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Actually the Freedom Ordnance FX-9 is considered a carbine. Good looking one IMHO too.
Not in that pistol configuration with brace.
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