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Old 10-12-2017, 09:11 AM   #1
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Old 10-12-2017, 02:41 PM   #2
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Old 10-12-2017, 04:45 PM   #3
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Man I am so glad I got my Tigers early on before the price hikes!
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That's actually a good price considering most are bringing $5000 now.
Thanks the two assholes on gunbroker who keep buying dragunovs for fair prices and then listing them for $9-20,000.. They control the market because they have the money to buy everything up.

Ticks me off, wanted an NDM and 2 years ago they were $3500 for a .308 and $5000-6000 for a 54r but now thanks to the few dipshits on gunbroker who buy them on there and relist them for double the price I doubt we'll see them in the fair price range again.

Big problem is not even the dipshits. It's the people who go to sell theirs, see those two dipshits prices and assume theirs is worth that and they list them.

Thank goodness nobody is buying them.
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^^^ This. I have seen those auctions. I have been hit up by those types as well. They try to brow-beat you down "I'm a dealer, and I'd never pay you that..." trying to get the item super cheap just to relist it 10x higher.
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Simple cure- I don't ever sell them when I pick them up. Tigers or NDMs got a good collection of them these days
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Saw one buy it now for $3500 not too long ago. Too much money for a rifle.
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They aren't spectacular rifles in any right, artificial market due to stupid low supply.

People want to buy for the look and as a collectible. Better self loading 54R rifles out there and tons better 308 self loaders for the money. Back when AR10s were $2k and a tigr was cheaper it made sense as a shooter. Not now. Let these couple knuckleheads bid themselves out of market prices
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People are attracted to what they cant have or hard to get.....

Fired a guys Tiger at the range when I has a PSL and not overly nuts about either to be honest.
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They aren't spectacular rifles in any right, artificial market due to stupid low supply.

People want to buy for the look and as a collectible. Better self loading 54R rifles out there and tons better 308 self loaders for the money. Back when AR10s were $2k and a tigr was cheaper it made sense as a shooter. Not now. Let these couple knuckleheads bid themselves out of market prices
Not disputing anything about what you are saying about the absurd and artificial price of the Tigr but what semi-auto in 54r is better than the SVD? I can only think of a handful in that caliber... SVT-38, SVT-40, Zastava M-91, PSL, Al-Kadesiah, Vepr are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head and Dragunov's design knocks them out of the water. The Tigr isn't a bad rifle by any means... I agree though if we could get them at European prices and availablity they'd probably be outsold by .308 ARs.
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Love my Tiger. I pieced together the non neutered parts over a few months. It is sleek, streamlined, and pretty capable.
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Comparing the PSL to the Dragunov is like comparing a Lambo to a Mustang GT. Both are awesome cars, but one is much higher quality thoroughbred.

I own both. So this opinion comes from that experience.
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Not disputing anything about what you are saying about the absurd and artificial price of the Tigr but what semi-auto in 54r is better than the SVD? I can only think of a handful in that caliber... SVT-38, SVT-40, Zastava M-91, PSL, Al-Kadesiah, Vepr are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head and Dragunov's design knocks them out of the water. The Tigr isn't a bad rifle by any means... I agree though if we could get them at European prices and availablity they'd probably be outsold by .308 ARs.
I have to agree on the 54r. I would have to say better offerings as 'shooters' for the cost.

I would love to see someone either create a line of SVD clones, or import, thru whatever means a decent quantity of kits and whip up receivers but I do not see that happening at least in the foreseeable future. Heck I would like to see an Al kadesiah clone to at least get something closer for the US market
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Comparing the PSL to the Dragunov is like comparing a Lambo to a Mustang GT. Both are awesome cars, but one is much higher quality thoroughbred.

I own both. So this opinion comes from that experience.
I disagree. People who own SVD tend to praise that rifle more than others just because of it's resale value. Even the Soviet field manual for SVD says that rifle has acceptable accuracy if it shoots a 8cm group at 100m. That is 3 inch group, that is horrible even for DMR. Even Dragunov admitted he was not allowed to make more accurate rifle because soviet army demanded it had to be lightweight.

Believe it or not Ford Mustang is built from higher quality materials that Lamborghini, cheap Italian plastics and fine Italian leather does not do well when car is left in the sun for long.
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I disagree. People who own SVD tend to praise that rifle more than others just because of it's resale value. Even the Soviet field manual for SVD says that rifle has acceptable accuracy if it shoots a 8cm group at 100m. That is 3 inch group, that is horrible even for DMR. Even Dragunov admitted he was not allowed to make more accurate rifle because soviet army demanded it had to be lightweight.

Believe it or not Ford Mustang is built from higher quality materials that Lamborghini, cheap Italian plastics and fine Italian leather does not do well when car is left in the sun for long.
You are one weird person..

I'm guessing you do not own a Dragunov or have held one. The quality difference is apparent. I did not bring up accuracy but I guess you had to try and make them seem like equals somehow.

The only people that seem to try and say the PSL is the same as a dragunov are the people butthurt they cannot afford the latter is seems.

You completely lost me on your car retort.
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I disagree. People who own SVD tend to praise that rifle more than others just because of it's resale value. Even the Soviet field manual for SVD says that rifle has acceptable accuracy if it shoots a 8cm group at 100m. That is 3 inch group, that is horrible even for DMR. Even Dragunov admitted he was not allowed to make more accurate rifle because soviet army demanded it had to be lightweight.

Believe it or not Ford Mustang is built from higher quality materials that Lamborghini, cheap Italian plastics and fine Italian leather does not do well when car is left in the sun for long.
I disagree, I own both and my PSL is a "tack driver" as far as PSL's go. My SVD, night and day above the PSL. It is a far superior rifle
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I’ve owned both, the Dragunov is definitely superior to the PSL. I’ve owned many rifles over the years but very few completely amaze me. the Dragunov does. This has nothing to do with the price and everything to do with performances. Just like my SCAR it’s way more accurate than should be and it amazes me every time I pull the trigger. My PSL was a good rifle but it just wasn’t as good as my Tigr




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I disagree. People who own SVD tend to praise that rifle more than others just because of it's resale value. Even the Soviet field manual for SVD says that rifle has acceptable accuracy if it shoots a 8cm group at 100m. That is 3 inch group, that is horrible even for DMR. Even Dragunov admitted he was not allowed to make more accurate rifle because soviet army demanded it had to be lightweight.

Believe it or not Ford Mustang is built from higher quality materials that Lamborghini, cheap Italian plastics and fine Italian leather does not do well when car is left in the sun for long.
If you ever have shot a dragunov, it is much higher quality than a PSL. It can also shoot heavy ball ammo offering more selection. The rifle is capable of MOA or below depending on the shooters skill and the ammunition quality.
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I’ve owned both, the Dragunov is definitely superior to the PSL.
Superior in a sense of elegance and build quality but in accuracy it is not superior. Both rifles are about 2MOA at best in ideal conditions, so I would argue they are about the same.
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Superior in a sense of elegance and build quality but in accuracy it is not superior. Both rifles are about 2MOA at best in ideal conditions, so I would argue they are about the same.
My Dragunov shoots around 1”, my PSL around 3”.... my Dragunov doesn’t string, my PSL will. My Dragunov is a much better shooter in all areas
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Ive had one for 17 years and only about 1800 rounds down the pipe..love it..every time I think of selling it to fund another project I hold it for 30 seconds and smell the wood and back in the safe she goes...
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My Dragunov shoots around 1”, my PSL around 3”.... my Dragunov doesn’t string, my PSL will. My Dragunov is a much better shooter in all areas
PSL that is imported in USA was made out of left over parts and never tested for any sort of consistency by the factory. I would argue that CIGUR sent the good ones to Iraq and ones that had poor consistency were sold to Century Arms.
There are few videos on Youtube where respected people put both to the test and PSL did very close to what SVD was doing.
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Superior in a sense of elegance and build quality but in accuracy it is not superior. Both rifles are about 2MOA at best in ideal conditions, so I would argue they are about the same.
A trailer compared to a $2,000,000 home does the same thing. Which would you like to live in?
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I have both PSL's and Tigers-

One of my PSL's holds just over 1 MOA (I bought it new) the other about 1.4-1.5 MOA @100y.

One of My tigers holds about 1 MOA while the other holds 1.25 MOA @100y.

Both are adequate for what they are supposed to be for.

The SVD seems to be slightly more accurate but it just depends I guess.

Both string a lot when you fire at a fairly quick cadence.

I think the SVD might be slightly superior to the PSL myself in performance. But the SVD definitely has the looks.

They both have the same max accuracy requirement of 8cm @ 100m
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PSL that is imported in USA was made out of left over parts and never tested for any sort of consistency by the factory. I would argue that CIGUR sent the good ones to Iraq and ones that had poor consistency were sold to Century Arms.
There are few videos on Youtube where respected people put both to the test and PSL did very close to what SVD was doing.
My PSL was all matching numbers and all the parts where in excellent condition. I’ve fired around 7 PSLs over the years none did better than 2” several of my friends fired PSLs in Iraq and said they were no better. Like I’ve said I’ve owned both and fired both. Please elaborate on your personal experience with both the PSL and SVD? I’m assuming you have 1st Hand military experience with both or perhaps you own both?
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A trailer compared to a $2,000,000 home does the same thing. Which would you like to live in?
Well a trailer is what $15-30k so I'd still have $1.9 mill. Then I'd buy a Dragunov......or two.
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Yeah PSL / Tigr pissing contest.

Had two PSls, best they could shoot was around 4moa.

My Tigr would do about 2.5moa with the same ammo. Handloading, it would do around 1.25moa .

Wish I could have found one of those 1moa PSLs, but I didn't. Gave up on them.
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I dig my PSL - might not so much if I wasn't sitting on so much cheap (back in the day)7.62 x 54R Ball.
The $500.00 price was right and it is a blast to shoot (2-3moa @ 100yds)and groups just like my SAKO Finnish M39 w/o glass.
Never had any function issues and would probably shoot even better with good ammo or handloads.

I want an SVD but the likelihood of this is slim thanks to TPTB.

I hate seeing those photos of tracked APC's running over piles of SVD's in Iraq.
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Military arms channel on youtube did a SVD vs. PSL accuracy test, same ammo. PSL did (1 5/8) and SVD did (1 3/8).
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Military arms channel on youtube did a SVD vs. PSL accuracy test, same ammo. PSL did (1 5/8) and SVD did (1 3/8).
So your only experience with both rifles is a YouTube video?
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So your only experience with both rifles is a YouTube video?
Not to mention tims svd is actually an chinese clone, so who knows how the accuracy compares (fantastic, nearly perfect rifle tho, I've handled it personally) it is only a sample size of 1, no way representative of ALL SVDs, ALL PSLs and ALL VEPR rifles.

The only way a true non bias test really could be conducted is if multiple PSLs, multiple SVDs, multiple VEPRs were assembled with a few different types of ammo as well. If anyone wants to volunteer the guns, I'll do a comprehensive test with 5 shot groups.
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