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Old 04-17-2018, 03:11 AM   #71
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The design of the gun is more important in the authenticity of a "Russian AKM" than the country of manufacture. An AKM put together with Polish parts, a Russian marked Childers receiver and a Russian stock set is a lot closer to being the "real thing" than an SGL-21with an AKM stock set. It's like an FE pattern engine built with a Robert Pond or Shelby block is a whole lot closer to being a real 427 Ford Sideoiler than either a 460 big block or a 427 Windsor even though they were actually built by Ford whereas an engine with an aftermarket FE block was not.
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Old 04-17-2018, 05:27 AM   #72
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I've done the Polish AKM build thing too. It was a lot of fun. I'll be interested to learn what the OP ends up going with and doing, so please do update us, cheers.
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Old 04-17-2018, 06:30 PM   #73
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Thanks Mishaco. Love your you tube vids too...
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Old 04-18-2018, 09:45 AM   #74
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Old 04-18-2018, 09:25 PM   #75
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That's a sweet RPKS you have on GB!
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Old 04-19-2018, 03:39 AM   #76
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Does anyone know if these even came into the country? If they did, any idea what one would cost?
Let me be the first to answer your question
Russian AKM does not exist. When they were made in 1960s they were Soviet AKM. Soviets quit making AKM sometimes in 1970s. They were never imported into USA, you will never own one legally in the USA.
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Old 04-19-2018, 06:22 AM   #77
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I figured as such......
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Old 04-20-2018, 02:11 AM   #78
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While we’re on the topic, can anyone tell me what’s so special about this “Russian ak” other than being a dressed up sgl-21
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/764802403
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Old 04-20-2018, 02:16 AM   #79
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I came across this one too. Is this another dressed up sgl + swapped gas block? Did any Saiga receivers come in with selector markings?
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Old 04-20-2018, 02:34 AM   #80
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While we’re on the topic, can anyone tell me what’s so special about this “Russian ak” other than being a dressed up sgl-21
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/764802403
It’s not even an SGL, it’s a Saiga. People are going stupid over Saigas on Gunbroker IMO. The extra trigger holes/rivets ruin it for me personally and there are prebans that are less than what that one is going for.
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Old 04-20-2018, 07:42 AM   #81
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Old 04-20-2018, 08:48 AM   #82
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The Saiga Line of sporter AK variant rifles in the standard calibers of 5.56/ .223 and 7.62X39) have AK-74 receivers. I would trust them as well as any AK-74 military rifle out of the factory, and own quite a few.

The MADI, manufactured in Egypt on Russian supplied AKM mfg equipment certainly is the closest to a production Russian AKM that was imported into the USA, in my opinion.

For a more expert take on the Saiga and a range of AKM makes contact DGS Manufacturing in Ft Myers FL - his shop is on the internet. (Donald Quinell is the owner and builder.) He used to convert Saiga rifles in large quantities and electro coat the finish. Has built AKM's and other AK types for the Feds, and many for commercial sale off of parts kits in past years. He built the second Saiga 5.56 rifle in the USA (Before the .223 Saiga rifles were ever imported) for me by converting a 7.62X39 Saiga to a 5.56 rifle. ( Remember the receiver is an AK 74 receiver without dimples) He has built MP5's and numerous other types.
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Old 04-20-2018, 05:14 PM   #83
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This is my legit Russian 1977 AKMS original receiver & barrel LEGALLY rewelded as a semi-auto.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4529/3...b19fc503_b.jpg


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Old 04-24-2018, 07:07 PM   #84
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OK guys, I decided to buy one of the Russian parts kits from R Guns and paid the extra $100 for the numbered for arm. I got it and it looked terrific and all parts match. So off it went to the builder in Tucson! I'll let everyone know how it comes out. We are using Polish barrels directly from Radom Chrome lined and not predrilled for the gas escape. The pre drilled barrels can cause a problem in assembly. Should not take long to come together. The other issue I came in to was the fact that I want to have a heat treated receiver. Chliders' receivers are heat treated. I'll follow up soon....
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Old 04-24-2018, 08:38 PM   #85
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Ummm All AKM/AK74 receivers are...or rather should be...heat treated. And good on using the FB barrel. That was what i ended up doing as i said earlier, and you can't tell a difference from an original Soviet-Russian piece. BTW:, i did once own a Russian AKM built from a 1971 PLO import kit with original barrel. I sold it though when someone valued that barrel more than I did. He was happy with it and i was happy with the money from the deal. In time I did my current build done by Legion-USA with parts i supplied. I am happy with it and it cost me less than what i sold the first one with orig barrel for. All around a good experience.
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Old 04-24-2018, 08:53 PM   #86
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If the receiver and barrel weren't made in Russia, it's not a Russian rifle as far as I'm concerned.
Same opinion.

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While we’re on the topic, can anyone tell me what’s so special about this “Russian ak” other than being a dressed up sgl-21
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/764802403
Nothing......except the fact of whom did the work, and if the work was done right.

SGL's were done by Legion/Arsenal here in the USA
SAIGA"s are modified by "Someone" here in the USA

the only discernable difference is a manufacturer did the SGL and you have to guess who converted the SAIGA.
As long as it's a qualified AK gunsmith, at the end of the day they're both equal.
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Old 06-06-2018, 04:10 PM   #87
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So what about this one? Worth $2500?
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Old 06-06-2018, 10:51 PM   #88
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With that one? Someone took an AK103 based Saiga hunter, and stripped it down to a barreled action.
Then they rebuilt it witha Soviet era AKM parts kit.


So all parts are Russian, though the receiver and barrel are modern production style rather than 1960s traditional.

Neat concept, but worth $2,500+$45 shipping?
I think that is a personal call.
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There’s a way to get receivers from deactivated real Russian AKMs ... there’s a guy on the other forum that done it.
That and pay dearly for a real barrel .......
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Old 06-07-2018, 12:05 AM   #90
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This would have been so doable if Molot or Izmash had sent "thumbhole" or "sporter" rifles based on AKM barreled receivers. Then the importers could have put in the 6 US parts to make the government happy and we would have been very very happy.
On another note, the Bulgarian SLR 108 would be a real bell ringer, but that's probably never gonna happen either unfortunately.
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Old 06-07-2018, 12:50 AM   #91
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SLR108 is very very dead. That thing was axed a decade ago. The SLR107R is as close as we'll get.

Molot and Izhmash didn't send over thumbhole stock AKM sporters, because neither factory makes the AKM.

Molot makes the RPK, and we did get a thumbhole version in the form of the VEPR FM-47-11/21 series. We even got a 23" version with bipod as the VEPR 1V.
Izhmash makes the AK100 series, and we got the SGL21 for a thumbholed AK103, and SGL31 for an AK74M.

Both factories sent us versions of their current production rifles, neutered enough to make the ATF happy. Also there's the complication of the Russian gov't being very picky as to what comes over here.


It would have been nice if someone in Russia had done something like Cugir did in Romania with the WASR10/63.
As in take original military guns, strip them down, rebuild on a new semi-only receiver, add a new barrel, and ship to the USA.
I suspect that either no one was interested in making AKM receivers in Russia or that the Russian gov't wouldn't allow it...or probably; both.

Look on the bright side, at least we got ...something. The SGL and VEPR-FM were great rifles, and both lasted for a decent period of time. They came in in larger numbers than other imports, so hopefully people can still find examples on the secondary market for years to come.


Personally, while we're wishing, a true Russian built AK Type III..or hell, Type I why not? would have been amazing too.

I know Russian AKs aren't any more reliable or accurate than others, and that they don't really have the best fit + finish either....still there is just something about an original huh?
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^^^ Yep, exactly mischaco. There is indeed just something about an original.
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