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Old 10-12-2015, 03:50 PM   #1
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Default IZSL-132-A is back

We are proud to offer this old model, built to our new standard of quality. This is a no gimmick rifle that can still be upgraded if the user wishes to do so.
It may look like the common IZ-132-L that you are used to seeing, but our rifle has much more attention to the finer details, fitment, finish, and method of assembly. No plastic plugs, no bolt trigger guards, no screwed in bullet guides, no canted sights, no bs! Let us know what you think.
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I would have gone all the way and do handguard retainer and gas block with bayo lugs.
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1000's $ is pretty high.
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Maybe at $800. For $900 I can get an slr 107. $1000 plus is crazy.
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And the bolt hold open device is still installed.
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Maybe at $800. For $900 I can get an slr 107. $1000 plus is crazy.
Even at $800 the front end should be done.
IZSL-332-L perhaps?
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We do have a model with the complete front end already.
https://www.legionusa.com/legion-ak4...7.62x39mm.html

I'm not sure where you guys are getting these numbers from when the base sporter Saiga sells for $600 these days.
These are quality conversions where we go over the whole rifle, which takes time to complete. Don't look at this as a factory gun, but a custom gun has been upgraded where it counts.
If someone is looking for the cheapest AK looking rifle this may not be for them, but if you value fit, finish, and function this is a great platform to start with.
Here are some differences between our conversion and the IZ-132L.
We use Kvar furniture, not pheonix technologies stock which is not as solid as the Kvar one.
We weld the holes in the receiver, not using plastic plugs.
We rivet the trigger guard, we don't use screws.
We rivet the bullet guide, not tapped and screwed.
We use a retaining plate not that little piece of wire.
We install a new threaded front sight block, IZ-132L does not have this.
Our rifle conversion will not come with canted sights.
Our rifle get a complete repaint besides the bolt and bolt carrier, IZ-132L comes with original factory paint if in not mistaken.
As far as the BHO, it can be removed at customers request.

I do appreciate everybody's input.
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Have to say, I would go with an Arsenal for $100 less...

Not trying to troll you here Legion, I just feel you missed the price point with this rifle.
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Pretty expensive for a less than fully converted IZ. I'm glad I got the tooling, TIG and parts to do my own full conversions.
I'd rather go Arsenal 107 in this case.
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Pretty expensive for a less than fully converted IZ. I'm glad I got the tooling, TIG and parts to do my own full conversions.
I'd rather go Arsenal 107 in this case.
No troll intended ...but what he said^^^
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Old 10-14-2015, 11:13 AM   #12
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No hard feelings at all, I don't see it as trolling. If you have your own tools and the skills to do good work, than of course you may see it as some lost value in this rifle. For the most part people are not welders, or machinists.
Our Saiga rifle builds are for people who are looking for a new turn key Russian AK.
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Even at $800 the front end should be done.
IZSL-332-L perhaps?
They would sell loads.
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Legion, I just now saw your Saiga underfolder, ad says built in Russia, can you tell me if the receiver was imported with the UF "hole" pre-stamped/drilled and the UF type rear trunnion installed ?

I really like this rifle.

What is the story on the (now missing) 4 receiver holes that were previously drilled and used for mounting the Saiga Sporter's rearward-set trigger groups... have you welded them and refinished here after importing, or ? (forgive me if this has been previously asked and answered ).
This is another one of our in house conversions. It started as a sporter Saiga. We weld the old trigger pin holes, and make new one for the underfolder, the rivet in the new trunnion.
We also used a special spacer so you can fold and unfold the stock and it will not scratch the paint off of the receiver like it does on most underfolding stocks.
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The price seems pretty competitive for what it is. In the last month I paid a total of $1100 to convert a saiga, cerakote it, and install a krebs handguard. I also kept the BHO. Its unique as this is the only AK variant with a BHO.

What I need Legion are the Vepr-V carbines you have inbound. I have been saving my money since July for one. Whens the drop?
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I've bought some parts from Legion in the past, I've talked to their customer service on the phone and have always been happy with them. Their rifles look pretty sharp online, but I've never handled one myself, so I can't tell you whether they're worth the money. They should loan one out to a member to do an independant review. If they're looking for a volunteer, I'm in. -Mike
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You're rifles look awesome though. If I had the money I'd buy a few.
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I bought a Legion USA rifle recently and it is freaking beautiful. Definitely a competitive rifle to what Arsenal produces. I bought an "Arsenal" SGL 26 about a year ago and got a "Fime". I couldn't believe those butt heads were advertising it as Arsenal. Anyway, it totally turned me off to Arsenal's Russian rifles because as far as I know they don't sell them anymore. FIME does. With that said, all my Russian AK's will come from Legion. I've got an AK 104 on order with Black Flag Armament and I am so excited about getting it.

Don't mean to bash Arsenal/Fime but when I order a rifle I expect to get what I actually paid for. Not a bait and switch. Just sayin'.
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I can attest to Legion's quality of work. The AKM conversion I got from them was just superb. The fit, finish, quality, and attention to detail is amazing and well worth the price they charge. Can you get any old AK built elsewhere for cheaper, sure, but it won't be as nice Legion's, imo.
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I bought a Legion USA rifle recently and it is freaking beautiful. Definitely a competitive rifle to what Arsenal produces. I bought an "Arsenal" SGL 26 about a year ago and got a "Fime". I couldn't believe those butt heads were advertising it as Arsenal. Anyway, it totally turned me off to Arsenal's Russian rifles because as far as I know they don't sell them anymore. FIME does. With that said, all my Russian AK's will come from Legion. I've got an AK 104 on order with Black Flag Armament and I am so excited about getting it.

Don't mean to bash Arsenal/Fime but when I order a rifle I expect to get what I actually paid for. Not a bait and switch. Just sayin'.
Your rifle is on its way to the FFL. Let us know what you think when you get it, and maybe a range report with the shortened barrel!
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I can attest to Legion's quality of work. The AKM conversion I got from them was just superb. The fit, finish, quality, and attention to detail is amazing and well worth the price they charge. Can you get any old AK built elsewhere for cheaper, sure, but it won't be as nice Legion's, imo.
I still want a green wood set like yours on one of my personal rifles, it is truly unique!
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Your rifle is on its way to the FFL. Let us know what you think when you get it, and maybe a range report with the shortened barrel!
Awesome!!!! Black Flag Armament contacted me and told me that as well! You guys are awesome! I definitely will give you all a range report.

Thank you!
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I still want a green wood set like yours on one of my personal rifles, it is truly unique!
You didn't keep one for yourself?!?! But that's one of the perks of doing what you all do! You get to keep the cool stuff!!

I do love this green AKM. It quickly has become one of my favorite rifles. Thanks for doing them!

... a little revisit for you.... and as you can see, I added an Obzor scope.




....And so I don't get blamed for highjacking a thread, this helps show the great quality of work and attention to detail that that Legion provides.
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I like the rifle with the welded holes and riveted bullet guide and trigger guard. I hate to think of half-assed Saiga conversions when the supply of those guns could dry up in a few years.

As far as the economics go I think it depends on how you look at the rifle. It's a good deal if you are thinking in terms of current 2015 prices for a basic Saiga, parts and labor to convert it to this standard. If you are thinking in terms of prices from a few years ago $1049 is pretty pricey. Around 2012 you could get an SGL21 for $850. I myself got a killer deal on my SGL ($500) during Kvar's "Economic Stimulus Sale" in 2009. That was then and this is now however.

You can get an SLR107FR for $900 right now. It would easily cost close to $2000 to buy one of the new Legion guns and do a complete AK103 conversion to it (including the front end and the front end and a Russian Series 100 side folder) to duplicate the features the SLR comes with standard. If I were to get a Saiga such a conversion would definitely be my ultimate goal for it. You get the cachet of Russian manufacture and the AK74M type improvements. Chief of these are the later style bolt with longer locking lugs and the 5.5mm hinge pin on the side folder trunnion. But it costs over twice the price of a Bulgarian "AKM in AK103's clothing".

If I had a spare $2000 to spend on guns right now I would probably get an SLR107FR and either a Kimber 10mm 1911 or a CMP Special Grade M1 Garand with the change. On the other hand the Russian manufacture and the more up to date design would be worth it to some people. Consider that a lot of bucks up sports car enthusiasts will buy Porsches or Ferraris for two or three times the cost of Corvettes that offer similar performance.

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I bought a Legion USA rifle recently and it is freaking beautiful. Definitely a competitive rifle to what Arsenal produces. I bought an "Arsenal" SGL 26 about a year ago and got a "Fime". I couldn't believe those butt heads were advertising it as Arsenal. Anyway, it totally turned me off to Arsenal's Russian rifles because as far as I know they don't sell them anymore. FIME does. With that said, all my Russian AK's will come from Legion. I've got an AK 104 on order with Black Flag Armament and I am so excited about getting it.

Don't mean to bash Arsenal/Fime but when I order a rifle I expect to get what I actually paid for. Not a bait and switch. Just sayin'.
Do you mean you got a "FIME" import instead of it being marked "Legion"? Most know that Arsenal (US importer) had to start a second company to import the Russian rifles a couple of years ago, as an "Arsenal" rifle is Bulgarian, and "Arsenal" of Bulgaria didn't want their name on the Russian imports. So if you do mean "Arsenal" instead of "Legion", you DID get what you paid for.
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It is marked FIME and that's not what I paid for. It was advertised as an Arsenal SGL26 and just like the other Arsenal's I paid for it should have said Arsenal on it. If you believe it is, try selling the two side by side and see which one sells faster and for the most money.
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It is marked FIME and that's not what I paid for. It was advertised as an Arsenal SGL26 and just like the other Arsenal's I paid for it should have said Arsenal on it. If you believe it is, try selling the two side by side and see which one sells faster and for the most money.
Arsenal USA and FIME Group are the same company. FIME just handles the importation now.
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Arsenal USA and FIME Group are the same company. FIME just handles the importation now.
If they are the same company then the people at Arsenal need to know it. I talked to two people at Arsenal in the customer service department and they said they had no affiliation with FIME. I spoke to someone at K-Var and the "didn't know". Does anyone know for sure out there that works for Arsenal?
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Is this particular Saiga the one with the thicker gauge receiver?
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Is this particular Saiga the one with the thicker gauge receiver?
Those Saigas are called VEPRs.
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If they are the same company then the people at Arsenal need to know it. I talked to two people at Arsenal in the customer service department and they said they had no affiliation with FIME. I spoke to someone at K-Var and the "didn't know". Does anyone know for sure out there that works for Arsenal?
Not the same company, but the same rifles as before the split.

The Arsenal/FIME topic has been beaten to death, and some prefer the rifle to say "Arsenal", where others don't really care. Some say they're worth more and many do sell for more, but for the record - I haven't seen anyone put their money where their mouth is and cut the selling price of an SGL31-94 because it says "FIME" on the side.
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Not the same company, but the same rifles as before the split.

The Arsenal/FIME topic has been beaten to death, and some prefer the rifle to say "Arsenal", where others don't really care. Some say they're worth more and many do sell for more, but for the record - I haven't seen anyone put their money where their mouth is and cut the selling price of an SGL31-94 because it says "FIME" on the side.
I think the reason they aren't cutting the price is because they paid an Arsenal price only fi get an AK with the FIME name. I would not sell it for less what I paid either. I'm surprised there hasn't been any lawsuits regarding the bait and switch that's been going on. If I buy an Escalade I'm expecting a Cadillac not a Chevy Tahoe.
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Those Saigas are called VEPRs.
Actually I was thinking about the 'M' series like the IZ-235 7.62x39
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I think the reason they aren't cutting the price is because they paid an Arsenal price only fi get an AK with the FIME name. I would not sell it for less what I paid either. I'm surprised there hasn't been any lawsuits regarding the bait and switch that's been going on. If I buy an Escalade I'm expecting a Cadillac not a Chevy Tahoe.
I don't know how there could be a "bait and switch", as all Russian SGL rifles (and SGL shotguns) imported since around 2013 have been imported by the FIME Group. K-Var's website mentions "FIME" four times in their first couple of paragraphs concerning SGL31 rifles; Arsenal, Inc. doesn't mention them at all, as they only manufacture and sell Bulgarian - not Russian rifles. Where did you buy your SGL26 from?

Also bear in mind, there is no price difference between an "Arsenal" import and a FIME import; the only difference in price is taking place in resale, not in new sales. As I said, SGLs sold for the last 2 years have been FIME imports of the same rifles as the Arsenal imports at the same price. They're all made by Izhevsk. It's like buying a Corvette from one dealership over another, thinking it's a better car because it was sold by dealership "A" instead of dealership "B".
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