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Old 11-13-2015, 12:53 PM   #1
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Default Saoga Arsenal Legion IZHEVSK Russian trigger

My Saiga seems to be different than those I have seen or talk about a trigger swap such as the G2 or Red Star. First, my trigger is not attached to the sear directly. It has a lever that actually activates the sear. The rivets are impossible to get out due to a collar inside the axel pin. To drop in a G2 I would have to file the trigger off and then use the remaining sear and leave the original trigger in place.

I can't believe I am the only one that has this type AK. If you can't get the pins out you can't even try to modify the hammer and sear. So what am I missing?
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There is no sear in a Kalashnikov.

Do you have pictures?
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Old 11-13-2015, 03:03 PM   #4
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Default Pictures of what I have

Here is what I am up against:
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Old 11-13-2015, 03:12 PM   #5
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We got nothing.
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Old 11-13-2015, 03:18 PM   #6
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May I suggest you look in Suggestions & Technical Support at the "Posting pictures on this site" sticky, and provide us with LARGE pictures?

Those you have provided are lacking in detail.
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Old 11-13-2015, 03:19 PM   #7
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You have an unconverted rifle. Thats why the trigger looks that way. The trigger group is much further to the rear of the receiver so the levers are needed to make it work.
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Old 11-13-2015, 03:33 PM   #8
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Son of a bitch!!. He can create 3 threads but he can not upload pictures.

I thought Arfcom members were smarter than that.
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get out the dremel. does the trigger in this rifle SUCK ???
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Oh yeah, big time. The pull is in the 8 lb range.
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A rear conversion is in order at the least. Do a lil research on here for tips. I will be selling off a bolt-on trigger guard and have a few triggers here as well.Then you will need a buttstock and a pistol grip and bolt,nut. And a dremel !!! What caliber is it ?
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Sn1p3r: Nice asshole. I just started on this forum yesterday. Since I have a Phd. and was a college professor for 20 years, I doubt you are as smart as you seem to think you are. I uploaded the pictures but they are too small for detail. You are an ass Mr. I know it all. People like you is why others don't ask questions and just leave the forum.
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thats easier..........
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Well WTF is a Saoga???
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You are an asshole now and will still be tomorrow. Must be nice to know how you are going to end up. You did make it to the third grade? Since you were in the USMC I figure you are too stupid to have graduated.

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Don't know. You wrote it.
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Look what the vendor forums dug up today. A healthy dose of elitism. Marsh, this is a knowledgeable community and everyone works together as a team. You can not come in here though with an ego and not expect to get it popped on your first day.

We look forward to seeing how your base Saiga evolves, the sky is the limit.

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Google "Saiga 12 forum" and you'll get to see plenty of conversion threads. You will be converting your sporterized rifle back to its original pistol grip form in order to get rid of the levers and have a good trigger installed. There are a lot of parts options to choose from when doing this. You might find it helpful to look at some of the kits put together by Carolina Shooter Supply and others for ideas.

The videos and picture threads will show you how to drill out the rivets holding the trigger guard for the import trigger set-up. You will need to decide whether you want to cut off the stock mounting extension "tang" that sticks out from the rear of the receiver when the fixed stock is removed. Some replacement stocks require the tang to be cut off and some do not. I suggest you decide on which stock you want before doing anything else. Folding and collapsable stocks are popular. There is a new Magpul folding stock that does not require removal to the extension.

You will feel one with your rifle after the conversion.

And thicker skin always helps in this world no matter what you are doing.

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The videos and picture threads will show you how to drill out the rivets holding the trigger guard for the import trigger set-up. You will need to decide whether you want to cut off the stock mounting extension that sticks out from the rear of the receiver when the fixed stock is removed. Some replacement stocks require it to be cut off and some do not. I suggest you decide on which stock you want before doing anything else. Folding and collapsable stock are popular. There is a new Magpul folding stock that does not require removal to the extension.

You will feel one with your rifle after the conversion.

And thicker skin always helps in this world no matter what you are doing.
For future reference, that is called a "stock tang".
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Thanks Nali,
Looks like I was editing just as you were being helpful. I had some kind of brain freeze as I was trying to help him out. I remember cutting off the tang on my Saiga only to find the Magpul folder a day or two later.

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Saiga 12 or Carolina Shooters had some vids: or ( sorry I'm on a phone)
http://youtu.be/7vK0ARvV9qE
2 parts 545 should be the same conversion wise.
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Perhaps you should read what was posted to me first. I refuse to be pushed around by some jerk that starts calling a new person names just because they don't know all the in's and outs. I thought this was a forum to help people, not start putting them down. If any one has an attitude it is Sn1p3r1. If he wasn't going to be helpful, he should just keep his mouth shut. I saw too many guys like that in Nam, I don't need it and if that is what this forum is all about I doubt I need it.
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What's with all the rust inside that gun? Or is it just cosmoline?
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My Saiga seems to be different than those I have seen or talk about a trigger swap such as the G2 or Red Star. First, my trigger is not attached to the sear directly. It has a lever that actually activates the sear. The rivets are impossible to get out due to a collar inside the axel pin. To drop in a G2 I would have to file the trigger off and then use the remaining sear and leave the original trigger in place.
you have to cut that old trigger out and convert the rifle. search for "saiga conversion" there are literally hundreds of threads and videos on this topic

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I can't believe I am the only one that has this type AK. If you can't get the pins out you can't even try to modify the hammer and sear. So what am I missing?
you're not the only one, all of the unconverted saigas are like this
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